Just now, LordBlades said:

Then they were little more than delusional old fools by thinking Luke had any kind of chance against Palpatine.

They pretty much trained him for a bit then sent him to certain death.

Well, they didn't want him to leave, but instead continue his training, it was Luke who decided to leave unprepared.

8 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:

Well, they didn't want him to leave, but instead continue his training, it was Luke who decided to leave unprepared.

True, however, Palpatine was Palpatine and Anakin had been an extraordinary child (only human to pod race), trained from a very young age as a Jedi.

Luke on the other hand had been a completely ordinary boy until adulthood (AFAIK he never displayed even the basic instinctive Force tricks that for example Rey did in TFA). How much training would he need to rival his 2 adversaries?

Spoilers ahead.

Have to wonder if Obi-Wan sending Ezra away was actually vital to his plans for Luke? Ezra, in many ways, is a product of the Old Guard. He is being trained by Kanaan in as close a way as possible to the methods used by the Jedi in the prequels. In essence, Ezra is 'damaged goods' and Kenobi doesn't want those ideas or philosophies tainting Luke when his time to become a Jedi finally comes.

This really came to me when Ezra talked to Kenobi about how the holocrons guided him to Tatooine. Ezra was brought to Kenobi because he thought the light holocron was telling him to find Kenobi. Ezra believed that the holocron was an embodiment of the light side and that the holocrons as a whole could not lie. Kenobi rightly pointed out that Maul had used both holocrons to influence Ezra and that doing so had altered many paths that shouldn't have been altered.

And that, in essence, is the reason why the Jedi fell in the prequels. Qui gon always counseled Kenobi to focus on the present instead of the future, but the Jedi at large were exceedingly reliant on their ability to sense the future. They chose an outcome that they wanted, and used the force to steer things towards that outcome instead of seeing where the force led them. In essence, they were doing the same thing as the Sith except only using violence at a level justifiable in their own minds (which ended up including assassination attempts).

Both Obi-Wan in this episode and Yoda in ESB cautioned against the search for truth as truth can be entirely subjective. They instead put absolute trust in the force, believing that it is better to have a ship sailing at the whims of the breezes and currents rather than fighting them to get to a certain point on the horizon.

If Kenobi were brought into the Rebellion, how long would Luke remain a secret; if not from the Empire but from Ezra and Kanaan? If Kanaan and Ezra knew about Luke, they would feel compelled to begin his training regardless of Obi-Wan's wishes. And they would use the same failed philosophies that brought the prequels to their conclusion.

To sum up, Kenobi telling Ezra to GTFO was a final rejection of the Jedi teachings that he had been trained with as a youth in favor of the philosophies that ended up saving the galaxy from the reign of the Sith.

Of course this begs the question of what will happen to Kanaan and Ezra. Will the Bendu be able to sway them towards the path that Kenobi and Yoda have taken, or will they dogmatically stick with what they think is right and doom themselves? And only Episode VIII and IX will show what happened to Luke to cause the misfortune that brought about Episode VII. If the above is correct in any sense, then Rey is an intense danger to herself and the Resistance as she uses the Force to shape her surroundings to an extreme not even seen in the prequels.

P.S. Having just seen all the comments of setting Luke up for failure against Palpatine, I don't think Obi-Wan or Yoda ever intended for Luke to be a gifted enough warrior to defeat Palpatine. If the Force desired Palp's fall, and Luke allowed the Force to guide his actions instead of trying to wrench it around as a tool, then he would triumph. Luke wasn't trained in advanced sword tricks and powers, he was trained that his weapons weren't needed in conflicts and that the death of self or friends may be needed to achieve a greater good.

Indeed, Luke's biggest defeat came when he predicted his friends death and rushed out to use his abilities to prevent it. Luke's biggest victory came when he threw his lightsaber down and allowed himself to be injured to near death. And Vader's fulfillment of his prophesy finally comes when he does the same thing.

since we don't have anything detailing Luke's life prior to ANH, i don't think we can say that he never showed any force traits definitively.

I think it can be assumed that any obvious Force Tricks Luke might have manifested would have been discouraged by Owen Lars though. someone who would lie to Luke about what his Father did, and prevented Luke from seeing ObiWan, would certainly have disliked Luke doing anything overt.

that said, my guess is that like with His father, Luke's innate force traits leaned towards piloting. higher perception and reflexes, that let him fly his T-16 with great skill and turn him into "the best bush pilot of the outer rim territories" (as per Biggs)

Ezra Bridger seems to have had a knack for force jumps (we see him jumping amazing distances in his into short and the pilot, well before he got any training) with a bit of the precognitive sense.

Honestly it hard to pin down Rey's innate trait.. her piloting ability is good, but has been established she has worked on and used ships and speeders for much of her life. her sensitivity to the lightsaber's call doesn't tell much either, she doesn't really show any extrasensory traits elsewhere. my guess is hers got funneled into fighting skill and general survival.

I have a question, why does Obi-Wan look so old in Rebels/ANH if he is only supposed to be somewhere between 52-58?

How old is he in TCW or ROTS?

Lets be honest. Realistically neither did Anakain except for certain things that could be explained other ways. Only human able to pod race, in truth this comes down to his force sensitivity, but it could be seen as him being a prodigy at that.

I think the movies don't and can't show how truly difficult channeling the force and directing it to manipulate reality really is. Picking up a cup or even shifting it noticeably is probably incredibly difficult and requires a lot of focus.

By the way as someone who has really bad ADD, I would love to see a comedic relief character who is a jedi with bad ADD. That would be amazing. In fact I hope thats Rey. I hope she's hyper powerful, extremely powerful but has ADD which would be a good temper.

Just now, FrogTrigger said:

I have a question, why does Obi-Wan look so old in Rebels/ANH if he is only supposed to be somewhere between 52-58?

How old is he in TCW or ROTS?

Desert ages people faster.

1 minute ago, FrogTrigger said:

I have a question, why does Obi-Wan look so old in Rebels/ANH if he is only supposed to be somewhere between 52-58?

How old is he in TCW or ROTS?

He's probably late fities, early sixties.

Here's the way I see it. He has an Irishman's complexion on a desert planet with Two Suns. As someone with the same complexion it only takes one sun to sunburn me badly. Sun damage in an arid environment can do a lot to age somebody.

Then you have the extraordinary levels of stress over an extended period of time at the end of the Clone Wars. Sure he found peace by Rebels but i'm sure those early years after Revenge of the Sith were stressful as all heck. Stress can age people as well.

All in all Obi Wan has been through more then most so to me it makes sense he looks older then he is.

7 minutes ago, FrogTrigger said:

I have a question, why does Obi-Wan look so old in Rebels/ANH if he is only supposed to be somewhere between 52-58?

How old is he in TCW or ROTS?

I'm only 48 and my beard is **** near as white as Obi-Wan's. And I'm not living in a hut in the desert dealing with the betrayal of everything I've ever known and having cut down my best friend with a laser sword while watching over that friend's only son in the hopes he grows up to fix this mess.

Have we ever seen Obi-Wan learn about the existence of Darth Vader? I'm curious how long that bit of info took to make it out to him and how he pieced together who "Vader" was.

I agree with the aging thing and I can buy it, I've just been searching to see if there is anything more concrete or to try and actually nail down the dates.

ANH is approximately 19 years after ANH? So this episode of Rebels is a few years before then? So it's been about 17 years? I think that is pretty realistic aging for 17 years..

2 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Have we ever seen Obi-Wan learn about the existence of Darth Vader? I'm curious how long that bit of info took to make it out to him and how he pieced together who "Vader" was.

He hears him referred to as lord Vader when watching the security holograms in ROTS.

I guess the question is how long until he finds out that Vader/Anakin survived his time in the hot tub.

Probably in a New Hope when Vader was in orbit or more likely when the Falcon lands on the Death Star.

23 minutes ago, FrogTrigger said:

I have a question, why does Obi-Wan look so old in Rebels/ANH if he is only supposed to be somewhere between 52-58?

How old is he in TCW or ROTS?

Alec Guinness was (I believe) 62 during the filming of ANH. The character was born 57 BBY , so as others have said, the desert (combined with grief over the Jedi order and possibly PTSD from years of front-line fighting) wasn't kind to him but he would have been 54-55 during that episode.

i would assume that Obiwan kept an eye on Imperial News. Vader could hardly manage to go completely unreported.

Don't forget how many times obi Wan was captured and tortured throughout the Clone Wars. That alone should've been enough to age him.

13 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Kill all the Midichlorians. No more Force users. Problem solved.

there's still midichlorians in everyone, which is why two non-sensitives can have a sensitive child. There's literally only one example on-screen of Force sensitivity being inherited genetically (Luke and Leia)

it literally can't be ancestral MOST of the time because every other Jedi is presumably from non-sensitive parents, otherwise their parents would have been taken by the Jedi instead of them and then they never would have been born.

cause Jedi can't have kids

Apparently a (now legends) book had Obi Wan overhearing a discussion in a cantina on Tatooine and nearly fainting when he figures out that Anakin/Vader survived.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan never kills anything but droids in TCW, so, Darth Maul is literally the only thing he has ever successfully killed with a lightsaber.

He has the same statistical success against living opponents with a blaster as he does with a lightsaber. So when he heard about Vader, if it was before his encounter with Maul and he's pretty sure Maul is alive, he must've thought "how the heck do you finish with these gosh darn lazer swords"

One thing I noticed was what seemed to be the presence of Tatooine's twin suns during the night. At least there were two objects that were approximately the same distance and size shown twice in the night sky during the episode.

This would be extremely weird as it would imply that Tatooine had a wildly fast orbit and that night on the planet was actually it moving so far away from its suns that their light diminished to the point that other stars were visible.

Only other thing I can think of is that Tatooine has two moons extremely close to each other which would rapidly lead to either their collision or the degradation of their orbits.

4 minutes ago, flyboymb said:

One thing I noticed was what seemed to be the presence of Tatooine's twin suns during the night. At least there were two objects that were approximately the same distance and size shown twice in the night sky during the episode.

This would be extremely weird as it would imply that Tatooine had a wildly fast orbit and that night on the planet was actually it moving so far away from its suns that their light diminished to the point that other stars were visible.

Only other thing I can think of is that Tatooine has two moons extremely close to each other which would rapidly lead to either their collision or the degradation of their orbits.

The moons could "appear" close without actually being near one another at all. According to the wookiee, Tatooine has three moons.

17 minutes ago, aRandomBoardGamingDude said:

On a side note, I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan never kills anything but droids in TCW, so, Darth Maul is literally the only thing he has ever successfully killed with a lightsaber.

He has the same statistical success against living opponents with a blaster as he does with a lightsaber. So when he heard about Vader, if it was before his encounter with Maul and he's pretty sure Maul is alive, he must've thought "how the heck do you finish with these gosh darn lazer swords"

He killed the acklay in AOTC, numerous Clones in ROTS, and I'm pretty sure some mandos and aliens in TCW.

2 hours ago, Forresto said:

He's probably late fities, early sixties.

Here's the way I see it. He has an Irishman's complexion on a desert planet with Two Suns. As someone with the same complexion it only takes one sun to sunburn me badly. Sun damage in an arid environment can do a lot to age somebody.

Then you have the extraordinary levels of stress over an extended period of time at the end of the Clone Wars. Sure he found peace by Rebels but i'm sure those early years after Revenge of the Sith were stressful as all heck. Stress can age people as well.

All in all Obi Wan has been through more then most so to me it makes sense he looks older then he is.

Or maybe, just maybe George Lucas tried to shoe-horn in a story set before Star Wars with an actor who was too young.