Love those cards gabe! really nice abilities for Tyson and Vult!

11 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Then it just becomes a question of "If you can exit hyperspace behind a planetary shield, why didn't all the Rebel fighters come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield?"

30 years of change in both shield and hyperdrive technology. Maybe that trick just wouldn't have worked in the PT-era.

44 minutes ago, Ken at Sunrise said:

Wouldn't the chances been even higher with a dozen or so anti-matter bombs hyperspace jumped base the shied? Even as grave as it was I'm sure there might have been a few to volunteer for a suicide mission that would save the galaxy. Then you could have saved all by a couple of your ships. Besides it being a rewrite of the first three movies, which is okay if your starting new, that was still a major plot-hole. JJ has a habit of using those. I'm not sure if it is him personally or just the scripts he's giving and he doesn't bother noticing how glaringly foolish they are. Several other shows use them and wish that hadn't.

Star Gate Zat'nik'tel could disintegrate anything. Why didn't they use it more.
Star Trek can transport across the galaxy apparently unnoticed. Why not just invade the Klingon home world and stop fretting about a war?

These are just two examples.

The hyperspace jump through a shield is no where near that magnitude. And what exactly are anti-matter boms in the context of Star Wars? The strongest (only) explosive we see are Proton Torpedoes, which only do as much damage as they do because of a flaw in the system they attack.

This entire discussion might be entirely pointless anyways, since we don't have a reason to assume planetary shields are the same as the shields projected at the Deathstar, which may have hugged it so close that there wouldn't be space for a ship to jump into.

12 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

**** you we don't. TCW is better than half the things in Star Wars canon.

Hey, now swearing, mkay? ( Don't worry, I know you probably just wrote d a m n (NO SWEARING!))

I just dislike the series... I think it is a discussion I allready had somewhere, but hey, it was ment more as a joke anyways

8 hours ago, Karhedron said:

30 years of change in both shield and hyperdrive technology. Maybe that trick just wouldn't have worked in the PT-era.

Either that or the DS II's shield was SO close to the hull there wasn't any room.

OK, I get that the killing of the Spy-Zanti was an issuue. However, as I was watching the episode, once the crew got trapped in the cargo hold, I kept thinking, "Did Ezra forget he's a Jedi?" Why didn't he use his lightsaber to cut through the bars or locked doors. Why didn't he force-jump up to the catwalk? Everything they did after that point was unnecessary if the kid had remembered his training.

53 minutes ago, gentgeen said:

OK, I get that the killing of the Spy-Zanti was an issuue. However, as I was watching the episode, once the crew got trapped in the cargo hold, I kept thinking, "Did Ezra forget he's a Jedi?" Why didn't he use his lightsaber to cut through the bars or locked doors. Why didn't he force-jump up to the catwalk? Everything they did after that point was unnecessary if the kid had remembered his training.

If someone locked you in your car would you be willing to break a window to get out? It's still their ship, and understandable that they don't immediately feel up to cutting holes in it.

Or does he have his lightsaber on him? *checks episode* Nope, not on his waist from any angle, just an empty holster.

I mean, if I'M a DM looking to plausibly ambush players without their weapons, the one place I'm going to do it is inside their home. "No, your character does NOT wear 25 pounds of chainmail while he squats over a magic guzunder, and at most he'll be carrying a dagger."

Checked it aswell during the Episode, nobody had any weapons at hand.

However, what confuses me even more:
How did they get AP-5 outside of the Ghost without getting vaccuumed. Some sort of Energyshield, like for the refueling of the Y-Wings?
Do they have that for the main Ramp aswell?

Ezra still could have forced the door open. He's opened bigger doors. He and Kanan opened a blast door in an Imperial hangar with the Grand Inquisitor bearing down on them. And he lifted those massive Temple of Doom doors with Maul. What's a little airlock?

Forget Ezra. Zeb has muscled open bigger doors than that one.

4 hours ago, OneKelvin said:

If someone locked you in your car would you be willing to break a window to get out? It's still their ship, and understandable that they don't immediately feel up to cutting holes in it.

If the car was on fire, yes I would.

And there was more at the stake than "just" their lives.

Zeb tried to pry a Door open, if I remember correctly.

And maybe Ezras Door opening skills aren't that great alone? Maybe he couldn't concentrate or missed his Force Dice roll? I don't know, but I like it when the Force is not the answer to everything.

6 minutes ago, Ghost XV15 said:

I like it when the Force is not the answer to everything.

Agreed.

I'm fairly certain they framed that scene solely to make Hera the hero of the moment. I don't have a problem with that.

One of my complaints about this season is Ezra's power level. Light or Dark side, between the end of season 2 and the early episodes of season 3, Ezra became a potent Force wielder. Then his use of the Force is suddenly scaled back for several episodes without explanation. In my head Ezra is gun-shy; self-restrained in the wake of his jaunt into the Dark Side. There just isn't anything on screen to actually support that theory.

Even my wife thought the blowing up of the ship due to feedback was lame. It isn't just me.

On 3/13/2017 at 9:19 AM, Forresto said:

Here's the thing. The rebels won and once again they're left feeling cocky. Twice the pride, double the fall. They have yet to fight Thrawn directly.

Thing is rewatching the trailer for the second half of the season, we've already seen the main rebel fleet now. So in the finale we have a whole lot of expendable ships. Pheonix cell oought to be destroyed for the most part with the rebels crippling the interdictor and escaping. Thrawn is then transferred to wildspace to work on what Empire's End mentioned.

This cannot be a rebel victory as this seems like the first major battle on the show and in canon Scarif is the first rebel victory.

Rebel spaceships striking from a hidden base have already one-shotted an Arquitens light cruiser, sabotaged a Star Destroyer causing it to explode, destroyed 3 Arquitens as well as possibly a prototype Interdictor, rescued defecting pilots from a TIE Interceptor, oh and blew up a Gonzanti with space jumper cables and a portable antenna. The rebels at Scarif wish they could have had the kinds of losses that these past victories cost rather than the slaughter they went through.

On 3/13/2017 at 11:40 AM, Ken at Sunrise said:

We do know that Chaser was there. Though there wasn't much said that I'm aware of.

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-essential-guide-to-warfare-authors-cut-part-10-the-rise-of-the-empire

Very nice find! So Vader did have elite pilots flying with him!

12 hours ago, Ghost XV15 said:

I like it when the Force is not the answer to everything.

Yeah, but the Force IS the answer to everything. So if you want the Force to not be the answer, you have to make sure there's not a **** Force user standing right there.

2 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Rebel spaceships striking from a hidden base have already one-shotted an Arquitens light cruiser, sabotaged a Star Destroyer causing it to explode, destroyed 3 Arquitens as well as possibly a prototype Interdictor, rescued defecting pilots from a TIE Interceptor, oh and blew up a Gonzanti with space jumper cables and a portable antenna. The rebels at Scarif wish they could have had the kinds of losses that these past victories cost rather than the slaughter they went through.

and in doing so they achieved what?
Delivered a couple week's of supplies to a few miners, Rescued a half trained Jedi, rescued a couple corvette crewmen, obtained two pilots, and blew up a spyship. and lets not forget.. destroyed a few dozen pounds of Khyber crystals, stolen one TIE fighter and one TIE Adv. Prototype v1, and stolen one Light Carrier.

yes i'm sure that the Empire is just shaking in their boots.

at Scarif they delivered a major raiding party to a heaviy defended and important imperial base, said raiding party caused a ton of damage on its own. the Rebel fleet, striking at a single large force for the first time ever, took down two star destroyers, a defensive station, and an entire planetary shield. Blue Squadron took down a large chunk of the Scarif garrison. all while taking minimal casualties until the last bit of the battle.

and while the Rebel forces were technically defeated, with the ground forces being eventually overwhelmed by the garrison, and the space forces being effed up by the late arriving Devastator, the fact that the Rebels stole the data they were after and the DS1 destroying the base and the archive meant it as on the whole, a victory. (especially since the DS shot prevented the imperials from know what data was stolen.. meant all of the programs with records there were compromised)

frankly, that one battle over Scarif did far more to hurt the Empire than the rebels crew has done in three seasons.

8 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

and in doing so they achieved what?
Delivered a couple week's of supplies to a few miners, Rescued a half trained Jedi, rescued a couple corvette crewmen, obtained two pilots, and blew up a spyship. and lets not forget.. destroyed a few dozen pounds of Khyber crystals, stolen one TIE fighter and one TIE Adv. Prototype v1, and stolen one Light Carrier.

yes i'm sure that the Empire is just shaking in their boots.

at Scarif they delivered a major raiding party to a heaviy defended and important imperial base, said raiding party caused a ton of damage on its own. the Rebel fleet, striking at a single large force for the first time ever, took down two star destroyers, a defensive station, and an entire planetary shield. Blue Squadron took down a large chunk of the Scarif garrison. all while taking minimal casualties until the last bit of the battle.

and while the Rebel forces were technically defeated, with the ground forces being eventually overwhelmed by the garrison, and the space forces being effed up by the late arriving Devastator, the fact that the Rebels stole the data they were after and the DS1 destroying the base and the archive meant it as on the whole, a victory. (especially since the DS shot prevented the imperials from know what data was stolen.. meant all of the programs with records there were compromised)

frankly, that one battle over Scarif did far more to hurt the Empire than the rebels crew has done in three seasons.

Well yes, but the opening crawl says first victory, not major victory or Empire shaking victory. Yes, Scarif was supposed to be that stated first victory and fits that title very well. But what do you do with all those other victories that Rebels gives us before Yavin even takes off? Just pointing out where Disney is playing fast and lose with the lore and how the fandom is going to have to pull things like the R-22 Spearhead and T.I.E. Fighter out of their wazoos when stuff like this happens and it is mostly due to this one show, not much else in the new canon so far.

Next thing you know they'll be palling around with Luke on Tatooine showcasing his adventures with the Rebellion before the Tantive IV arrived.

WARNING!!! WARNING!! I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL! NOT A DRILL!!! MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!!

This will take you to the spoiler!!! YE HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

(it's a direct link to a video clip on Youtube. Don't click unless you are 100% certain you want to watch it!)

(What happened to the spoiler drop down tag?) :/

You know what, something in Twin Suns should've bothered the heck out of me but the interaction is handled so well i'm okay with it. In fact I have to say i'm entirely happy with how the writing team handled this episode, really well done. If anything this episode states something i've been hoping it would for a very long time about its relationship with the OT and certain characters.

Not disappointed at all. I won't say much more until tomorrow night when most people will have seen it but I really enjoyed this episode and it was the one I was least looking forward to.

Excellent episode. The end reminded me of the old black and white samurai movies. It also surprised me how I felt at the end of the episode.

Disappointment.

Wow. After the previous travesty, Rebels is back.

For a minute I was like wtf and had to back up and rewatch it! Not sure how I feel about how it went down tbh but the dialogue was absolutely on point.

It's actually made me a little sad!

I thought the final confrontation went pretty much the only way it could, given the development of the two characters.

And man that final scene...

I feel like I shouldn't have liked the Episode as much, but I think it was perfect.

The "confrontation" was great, the dialogues were on point and I love me some Sandpeople! (Spoier, I guess...)