6 hours ago, Ghost XV15 said:

I'm pretty sure that calling a Droids Powersource Batteries is space-AI-racist

Dave Filoni called them batteries in Rebels Recon. Dave Filoni is "space-AI-racist".

30 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Because the other option was more likely to succeed and as far as I know Endor had no planetary shield protecting the moon itself, only for the Deathstar

Because trying to exit the hyperspace so close to the mass of a planet is a f****ng suicidal madness, that no one in his right mind would try without a strong death wish if there are some other posibility.

Solo got it, but barely, and only because he is the best pilot of the galaxy, and even so, he nearly destroy the Falcon killing everyone inside (and probably because Han is force sensitive without knowing).

57 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

"So... Han Solo can hyper in behind the Starkiller Base shields. Then... why didn't he do that with the Tyderium shuttle in Endor?".

To be fair, and I never like to defend TFA because it's mostly bad, the shuttle in RotJ was using its cover as a legitimate transport to gain access to Endor. Zooming in under the shield and crashing into the moon might have been significantly less stealthy. I dunno, that part of RotJ doesn't make much sense though, either. Why don't the Imperials notice that the Tyderium never actually arrives at the base on Endor and instead just lands in the middle of the forest and goes offline?

Of course they notice, but it's all the Emperor's plan. They let the shuttle land in Endor because they need it to bring the rebel fleet to the trap.

A good plan, but one that ultimately fail because of the Emperor's hubris, as Thrawn foretell years before...

21 minutes ago, VaeVictis said:

30 minutes ago, Draconis Hegemonia said:

1 hour ago, Azrapse said:

It doesn't matter how impossible anything in Star Wars is in our universe. That's not the problem at all.

The problem is that once you introduce that piece of tech or "magic" in the setting, then you need to keep asking yourself "Okay, they can do that. Then why don't they do that like all the time?".

It's consistency. If they had established from the first movie that people in Star Wars can fly, that wouldn't be a problem. It just is and we accept it like that. But then we wouldn't have had the scene of Luke falling in Bespin, or Vader throwing the Emperor down to the core because, well, they can fly!

"So... Han Solo can hyper in behind the Starkiller Base shields. Then... why didn't he do that with the Tyderium shuttle in Endor?".
Do you get my point?

Because trying to exit the hyperspace so close to the mass of a planet is a f****ng suicidal madness, that no one in his right mind would try without a strong death wish if there are some other posibility.

Solo got it, but barely, and only because he is the best pilot of the galaxy, and even so, he nearly destroy the Falcon killing everyone inside (and probably because Han is force sensitive without knowing).

To be fair, and I never like to defend TFA because it's mostly bad, the shuttle in RotJ was using its cover as a legitimate transport to gain access to Endor. Zooming in under the shield and crashing into the moon might have been significantly less stealthy. I dunno, that part of RotJ doesn't make much sense though, either. Why don't the Imperials notice that the Tyderium never actually arrives at the base on Endor and instead just lands in the middle of the forest and goes offline?

Because Endor was a big trap, and Vader already sensed Luke on that shuttle, and probably informed the ground garrison to just let it land, and to keep tabs on it without stopping it's occupants. which would explain why the Scout trooper patrol they run into seems so inept. (the rebel team is laughably bad at stealth while observing the team, doesn't detect the 2nd pair literally only yards away, barely manages to take down the first pair and gives the 2nd pair all the time in the world to get off a radio message alerting the base.. ) also why the troopers guarding the 'back door' are so inept (whole team runs off when a bike is stolen? the one guy who couldn't leave (because it was his bike) falling for a pathetic distraction?) and the vital part of the base being basically unguarded? The whole Endor base was probably set up to allow a Scarif type raiding party to reach the ground, commit to the mission, the quietly get captured/wiped out.

as for Starkiller base.. remember Han makes a big deal out of the 'fractional refresh rate' allowing his little trick. presumably other shields don't have that feature and would block hyperspace travel through them. the way he desribed it, it sounded like the fractional refresh rate thing would make the planetary shield super tough, and that the hyperspace thing was just a drawback. probably one that so few could exploit that it was seen as a safe trade off.

The thing is that the Rebels don't even acknowledge the inconsistency. They seem to think that landing the ship in the middle of the forest and going offline would be okay. There's no acceptance of the incongruity. We, the audience, know the Empire set up a trap, mostly because we've seen the movie at least a bajillion times. The Rebels don't have that kind of omniscience. Therefore, it requires them to behave in a manner consistent with a scenario where the Empire doesn't have a trap laid. They go to all the effort of securing stolen codes, a stolen shuttle, etc, with the express intention of sneaking/bluffing their way onto the planet, but then saunter on down to the planet assuming that everything is A-Okay after they get past the initial blockade, lol. It's entirely possible that there was some explanation left on the cutting room floor for how they intended to account for this problem, but it didn't make the final film, and is thus problematic to the story.

1 hour ago, jmswood said:

Dave Filoni called them batteries in Rebels Recon. Dave Filoni is "space-AI-racist".

I knew it!

I'll admit the feedback spike was off putting to me. I assumed it was going to zap the guy controlling Chopper, but what actually happens.... escalated... quickly...

Anyway, the Hyperspace thing in TFA really has never bothered me because its Han Solo. He's a character almost literally defined by doing something stupid and suicidal and pulling it off without any real explanation. Much like the rest of the film, its pretty similar to something we'd see out of the original films from the character, just with an additional 30 years of experience.

It's also important to remember with the new trilogy that almost all of the "rules" we've come to define the universe were added later in source books and the like; most of which really didn't take off until the early 90's when the brand took off in other media. I wouldn't expect the TFA era to be anywhere as fleshed out as we were used to until the trilogy is complete; similar to how the Clone Wars didn't get any meat on its bones until after Episode 3 was done humiliating itself.

22 hours ago, Ironlord said:

Newcanon novels have shown Lambdas in the pre-Rebels time period.

Oh.

Well alright.

God I still can't get over how stupid the way Hera blew their ship up was. Also she um.

Let's be real she basically ran the risk of killing the very droid she was protective of.

I'm taking this episode off the list of episodes to watch. So far pretty much all of them are on there. This one? Heavens no. But at least it canonized bathrooms..!

I believe bathrooms were canonized in the Season 6 of TCW, in one of the Order 66 episodes Fives talks with Kix in the bathroom of a clone bar.

1 minute ago, eMeM said:

I believe bathrooms were canonized in the Season 6 of TCW, in one of the Order 66 episodes Fives talks with Kix in the bathroom of a clone bar.

we don't talk about TCW...
Also: Refresher

1 hour ago, VaeVictis said:

The thing is that the Rebels don't even acknowledge the inconsistency. They seem to think that landing the ship in the middle of the forest and going offline would be okay. There's no acceptance of the incongruity. We, the audience, know the Empire set up a trap, mostly because we've seen the movie at least a bajillion times. The Rebels don't have that kind of omniscience. Therefore, it requires them to behave in a manner consistent with a scenario where the Empire doesn't have a trap laid. They go to all the effort of securing stolen codes, a stolen shuttle, etc, with the express intention of sneaking/bluffing their way onto the planet, but then saunter on down to the planet assuming that everything is A-Okay after they get past the initial blockade, lol. It's entirely possible that there was some explanation left on the cutting room floor for how they intended to account for this problem, but it didn't make the final film, and is thus problematic to the story.

perhaps they claimed an inflight emergency, forcing an emergency landing? since they were supposed to have a bunch of technicians onboard they might have expected the base to just let them land and do a quick repair, rather than dispatch a 2nd shuttle to pick them up. and that by the time the base noticed they'd dropped off the map entirely, their mission would be over.

That sounds like handwavium, a fairly common element in science fiction universes.

1 minute ago, VaeVictis said:

That sounds like handwavium, a fairly common element in science fiction universes.

It's a cost-effective alternative to filling plot holes with another element: substancium.

26 minutes ago, VaeVictis said:

That sounds like handwavium, a fairly common element in science fiction universes.

22 minutes ago, jmswood said:

It's a cost-effective alternative to filling plot holes with another element: substancium.

However, when the audience is low on Giverdamium, these things slide through.

If the Empire loses or Thrawn dies I am so done with this series...

The Empire will not win, I hope you know, is INE of the defining traits of the universo, the worse guys wins at the end...

8 hours ago, MPG said:

My only problem is that the Empire still hasn't found out the location of the base, and this past episode was the perfect opportunity to do so.

I don't think Thrawn actually NEEDS to find their base. He's going to lure them into a large scale attack on Lothal and wipe them out there. The search for their base is basically just to keep up appearances that he's doing something.

7 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Because the other option was more likely to succeed and as far as I know Endor had no planetary shield protecting the moon itself, only for the Deathstar.

Then it just becomes a question of "If you can exit hyperspace behind a planetary shield, why didn't all the Rebel fighters come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield?"

4 hours ago, Ghost XV15 said:

we don't talk about TCW...

**** you we don't. TCW is better than half the things in Star Wars canon.

16 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

I don't think Thrawn actually NEEDS to find their base. He's going to lure them into a large scale attack on Lothal and wipe them out there. The search for their base is basically just to keep up appearances that he's doing something.

Then it just becomes a question of "If you can exit hyperspace behind a planetary shield, why didn't all the Rebel fighters come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield?"

**** you we don't. TCW is better than half the things in Star Wars canon.

Yea, TCW is awesome! I just re-watched the Admiral Trench episdoe the other day!

The Empire was building a MOON-sized space station. In just one state of the US there are often hundreds sometimes thousands of motor vehicle accidents in a single day. I'm sure a Death Star construction experiences comparable human error unless Space OCEA is amazing or something.

Point being the Rebels may be fully aware the Empire will not be responding to a single missing vessel or is aware of the Empire's reaction time. They seem to be extremely aware of Imperial protocol overall, so I doubt it is something they would overlook...

5 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Then it just becomes a question of "If you can exit hyperspace behind a planetary shield, why didn't all the Rebel fighters come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield?"

Presumably because success is so unlikely for such a jump that they would fear not to have enough ships left to fight the battle - again the chances of success were higher with an infiltration team taking down the shields first. Endor had been thorougly planned by the Rebel Alliance, while the Resistance had a few hours to prepare their assault on Starkiller base max. There was no time to prepare and carry out a proper infiltration, Hans one in a million "trust me this is kind of possible" plan was the best they had. As ridiculous as it is to have another Deathstar-ish thing (4 and counting!), that part of TFAs plot is pretty solid within the universe of the movies.

On 3/5/2017 at 6:59 PM, BlodVargarna said:

These past two weeks have been great! Looking forward to seeing Ezra as a Y wing pilot.

Just got caught up and I scanned back to see if anyone had done any of these, otherwise It wouldn't be a multi-post.

As for the TIE Defender's extra non-ion attacks, use the TIE/D title and modification that brings the cost of cannons by one so you can use the Mangler Cannon, because Flechette Cannon doesn't seem right.

On 3/6/2017 at 2:46 AM, Azrapse said:

Thanks for the correction. It's not my first language. However...

The "witless" guy should be the last one you would take English lessons from. Getting a 19% on any GED exam makes him the last person you should go to for any corrections. Not to mention that when called on his correction he turns it into something else, "just being ironic," which Bojanglez was completely right to call BS (Bullseye with the possessiveness, pettiness, and duplicity.). He is completely erroneous about his correction anyway. There is nothing wrong with " THRU " as it can be found in dictionaries: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/thru You could say THROUGH is metric, and THRU is Imperial (pun intended), since I was told by an English teacher that the contraction is mainly an American one .

On 3/11/2017 at 0:14 PM, codegnave said:

Hera stated that it was possible because of the listening equipment on the Gozanti. Star Destroyers and the Death Stars were never stated to have this equipment AND were never shown remote controlling a droid. Even if they did have the equipment anyone seeking to cause another incident like this would need direct access to upload tones of junk data at once.

Furthermore, one would think Naval Intelligence would think to see why a spy ship of thiers blew up. They would likely resolve this issue, put up some better firewalls or something in extant ships.

Even furthermorer, it's a space opera that exists primarily in screen form, not everything is going to be explained. Not everything is going to be rational. I find it much more fun to have my 'that didnt make much sense' line waaaay far back.

(as a glasses wearer im glad they included them, and I have never seen them replace organs or limbs, only prostheses)

There are two upgrades already in the game that have a similar effect, both being Slicer upgrades , which might suggest Hera may be an expert Slicer on top of everything else.

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Presumably because success is so unlikely for such a jump that they would fear not to have enough ships left to fight the battle

Agreed. I basically assumed that if anyone other than Han piloting the Falcon had attempted that trick in TFA, they would have ended smeared over the shields or smeared over the landscape.

15 hours ago, mithril2098 said:

as for Starkiller base.. remember Han makes a big deal out of the 'fractional refresh rate' allowing his little trick. presumably other shields don't have that feature and would block hyperspace travel through them. the way he desribed it, it sounded like the fractional refresh rate thing would make the planetary shield super tough, and that the hyperspace thing was just a drawback. probably one that so few could exploit that it was seen as a safe trade off.

Hyperspace bombardment, fractional energy blasts passing, etc, just sending bombs in that way would have been enough. ;-)

You just remembered me of something else stupid about TFA, which was purely there as plot device. I take my RotJ plot over that anyday. ^-^

5 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Presumably because success is so unlikely for such a jump that they would fear not to have enough ships left to fight the battle - again the chances of success were higher with an infiltration team taking down the shields first.

Wouldn't the chances been even higher with a dozen or so anti-matter bombs hyperspace jumped base the shied? Even as grave as it was I'm sure there might have been a few to volunteer for a suicide mission that would save the galaxy. Then you could have saved all by a couple of your ships. Besides it being a rewrite of the first three movies, which is okay if your starting new, that was still a major plot-hole. JJ has a habit of using those. I'm not sure if it is him personally or just the scripts he's giving and he doesn't bother noticing how glaringly foolish they are. Several other shows use them and wish that hadn't.

Star Gate Zat'nik'tel could disintegrate anything. Why didn't they use it more.
Star Trek can transport across the galaxy apparently unnoticed. Why not just invade the Klingon home world and stop fretting about a war?

These are just two examples.