14 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Man, just watched the Hera hack scene. Tesla is banging his head against his casket lid for failing to realize that if he had just plugged a radio transmitter directly into a dynamo he could have transmitted electricity to everybody tuned into that station. Don't know how they would have resolved the story otherwise, but that was a SMH moment of 'well, looks like THAT is canon now'. I'm off to kiss my circuit breaker box.

But to keep myself from garnering a reputation of only poo pooing Rebels, everything about the nebula fight two episodes ago was epic, the Defender certainly lived up to its Legends... legend, and finally some ISD action even if only the anti-fighter batteries.

i don't get it how you can be so fine with the star wars nebulae scenes while suggestion banging heads against hard objects about that Hera hack scene. (btw it was never implied that she was transferring energy, but causing the imperial systems to malfunction and react in the wrong way to the protocol violation from the hacked and overtaken connection. Hera literally hacked the imperial systems with some kind of specific overflow, not energy transfer.

But again, nebulae cool, burning up remote hacking stupid, really?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/d/d6/A_Young_Star_Flaunts_its_X-ray_Spots.ogv/A_Young_Star_Flaunts_its_X-ray_Spots.ogv.480p.webm

11 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I'm just gonna say they don't exist yet.

Newcanon novels have shown Lambdas in the pre-Rebels time period.

Well, that was 22 minutes of my life that I can never get back.

17 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Actually, Hans-Joachim Marseille, the presumably best german pilot during the war was just in a 109G-2/trop on the day he died, together with his squadron. His air group had 6 of those brand new 109G-2/trop, while most regular planes were Bf 109Fs, which are about 2 years older than the G-2.
So yeah, normally those aces got into squadrons which had the newest equipment, even when not everyone in the squadron had access to the newest variants.

Now Vader is very rarely in space himself, his x1 is supposed to be customized by himself and the rest of his squadron seemed to be good, but not on the same ace level as the 181st or Vult Skerris and his wingmen. So maybe Vader never bothered to get special equipment for them as he always assumed that himself is enough to handle anything anyway.

Either way, those early Interceptors are a little odd when we don't see them as Vader's escort in ANH. It not a big inconstancy still.

to be honest, if we're assuming that the fighter's Vader dispatched and had as wingmen were his personal squadron, it does seem a bit odd. But in Rogue One there is no evidence that the ISD he arrives at Scarif in is his personal command, as opposed to just a ship he commandeered for the trip. likewise in ANH there is no real evidence the pilots he sent out were a personal squadron, as opposed to just a normal squadron on board a ship or the DS1's airwing that he gave direct orders to. as the Emperor's direct representative, he'd have the authority to take command of certain resources. an ISD to respond to a major rebel action and hunt down the plans for example. or ordering two pilots to escort his personal fighter, and instructing the combat air patrol for the DS1 to deploy, etc.

it may well be that the DS1 had bombers and Interceptors in its airwing, and that they just were not part of the 'ready 5' and CAP that responded to the rebel attack, resulting in them being caught still in the hangers (or launching) when the station went up.

Defender's i suspect were just too expensive and complex that when the Lothal factory is destroyed (because you know that will happen) they'll be a big delay in getting them set up at a new factory. and that the handful of prototypes already built won't be enough to make a big difference.

(though i am really hoping that with the power of the Defender now showcased, the rebellion will go looking for a fighter able to defeat it. and learn about a certain fighter developed by Incom, which is everything they need but is getting Incom nationalized by the Empire..)

Devastotor is Vader's personal Star Destroyer, and it is the Star Destroyer he's riding in both Rogue One and ANH. There are multiple canon sources to verify this.

9 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

i don't get it how you can be so fine with the star wars nebulae scenes while suggestion banging heads against hard objects about that Hera hack scene. (btw it was never implied that she was transferring energy, but causing the imperial systems to malfunction and react in the wrong way to the protocol violation from the hacked and overtaken connection. Hera literally hacked the imperial systems with some kind of specific overflow, not energy transfer.

But again, nebulae cool, burning up remote hacking stupid, really?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/d/d6/A_Young_Star_Flaunts_its_X-ray_Spots.ogv/A_Young_Star_Flaunts_its_X-ray_Spots.ogv.480p.webm

Yeah, she actually says she's transferring more power than they expected. No protocol violations, no hacking, she literally plugs Chopper into the ship's power and revs the engine. There was no talk about corrupting code or any of these other attempts at tap dancing around the stupidity of the scene. It was the transmission of electricity (i.e. electrons) through a near vacuum and faster than the speed of light to a ship with sufficient force to overload their systems yet somehow not destroy the droid.

And yes, actually seeing ships reacting to heat in space for the first time was rather awesome. You never see any concern about a ship cooking itself due to excess heat, which is a real concern in space especially when you're diving towards a fusion furnace. And said furnace is heavily ionizing the gases around it while simultaneously pushing it away through solar wind and drawing it in through gravity. Those gases eventually become dense enough to form planets with all the elements found in nature added to the mix. How would such a concentration of highly charged gasses react to an exotic explosion that we have no experience with? A relatively small discharge of energy that causes mild damage to a Star Destroyer? That's what you're asking me to defend?

No. But interesting that you think that part needs defense.

12 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

i don't get it how you can be so fine with the star wars nebulae scenes while suggestion banging heads against hard objects about that Hera hack scene. (btw it was never implied that she was transferring energy, but causing the imperial systems to malfunction and react in the wrong way to the protocol violation from the hacked and overtaken connection. Hera literally hacked the imperial systems with some kind of specific overflow, not energy transfer.

But again, nebulae cool, burning up remote hacking stupid, really?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/d/d6/A_Young_Star_Flaunts_its_X-ray_Spots.ogv/A_Young_Star_Flaunts_its_X-ray_Spots.ogv.480p.webm

Really? You find it totally justified that Hera, a pilot with no established hacking experience using her light freighter is able to outhack a specialized electronic warfare ship (which was designed to process shitload of data unlike the Ghost ) filled with augmented full-time slicers?

You know how simple would be unretarding this scene if they absolutely have to destroy the ship to make this episdoe pure inconsequential filler?

"They have to be close. I can track the signal back and..."

*cut*

*Ghost comes out of hyperspace, dumps a salvo of proton torpedoes, AWACS explodes, crew cheers, fillery nature of the episode is preserved and the worst droid in the history of Star Wars is left drifting in space until his battery runs out*

6 minutes ago, eMeM said:

*The worst droid in the history of Star Wars is left drifting in space until his battery runs out*

I'm pretty sure that calling a Droids Powersource Batteries is space-AI-racist

10 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Really? You find it totally justified that Hera, a pilot with no established hacking experience using …

No, I posted yesterday (most likely in another thread) that the thing people should be ranting is not that something what Hera did is possible, but instead that Hera did it, because it adds another element of "Everything you can do, I can do better" to the rebels main cast. And the cast is already full with minor imperial wmd weapon engeerier, lightsaber wielding ex-bounty hunter artists and darkside force genius, etc

Hera the 1337 hacker is odd. It odd in the same way as a lot of things in rebels is odd, but its not a problem for the canon, just a problem for the consistency and believability of the rebels crew itself. If this would be the RPG forum, I would add that I would like to see that knowledge education check to be aware of that flaw in the spy gozanti's systems. Though I would assume this was a mechanic and not a computer check, abusing a firmware bug in the communication equipment instead of classic hacking their systems. It still odd that Hera knew about it, still she is a good mechanic, they established this for sure.

I agree that tracking the signal and blowing up the gozanti would have been the much more satisfying conclusion of the episode. Rebels season 1 is calling, they want their weak episode conclusions back. ;-)

47 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

I agree that tracking the signal and blowing up the gozanti would have been the much more satisfying conclusion of the episode. Rebels season 1 is calling, they want their weak episode conclusions back. ;-)

An episode of Rebels isn't and adlibbed or impromptu performance in the street. Its script surely goes thru through many iterations. And most likely they wrote 3 or 4 different endings before they chose this one.

My point is that if they chose this one is because either they want to underline how omniscient and mary sue they whole Ghost crew is, or they want to establish in the lore that you can blow up a ship just by sending high energy transmissions to it (basically, like killing a person by yelling at them), or both.

That is what I don't get. We already know that the Ghost crew is unbelievably plot-armored and plot-armed, so there was no need to underline that even more.
But then why insisting of adding the possibility of destroying another ship in another system just by using a transmission? We aren't even talking about Death Star reactor levels of energy. It's just the generator of a small freighter.

We have seen the Ghost crew watching the holonet in the previous chapter. The Empire could just terrorize systems by blowing up everyone at their homes or in their ships by sending a high powered holonet transmission! Why bother building a Death Star!? Why doesn't Governor Price blow up the Ghost in the previous chapter when she is demanding Mon Mothma to surrender after they come out of the nebula?
Thrawn talks directly to Sato thru through radio in the chapter of the YT-2400. Why doesn't Thrawn blow up the rebel fleet there by plugging the Chimera's generator to his transmission?
This thing has opened a huge hole in the entire plot of Star Wars. And for which purpose?

My guess is that they encountered time constraints (episode wise) and decided to go down that route because it got rid of every loose end.

Personally, I would have gone down another route: Hera keeping the data spike active and using it to transmit a lot of false data on top of it, making the previous entries doubtful if not downright useless (can't tell the truth from the lies). The episode would have therefore ended in a "draw" which is something that should happen more often, I think. The Rebels do not need to "win" 90% of the time.

That and I think keeping that Gozanti for later episodes would have been interesting.

I think we should give that Episode to George Lucas to make a Special Edition. At minimum the part about destroying the Gozanti. How much worse could it get?

46 minutes ago, jmswood said:

How much worse could it get?

http://www.dorkly.com/video/62187/han-shot-first

Here's the thing. The rebels won and once again they're left feeling cocky. Twice the pride, double the fall. They have yet to fight Thrawn directly.

Thing is rewatching the trailer for the second half of the season, we've already seen the main rebel fleet now. So in the finale we have a whole lot of expendable ships. Pheonix cell oought to be destroyed for the most part with the rebels crippling the interdictor and escaping. Thrawn is then transferred to wildspace to work on what Empire's End mentioned.

This cannot be a rebel victory as this seems like the first major battle on the show and in canon Scarif is the first rebel victory.

My only problem is that the Empire still hasn't found out the location of the base, and this past episode was the perfect opportunity to do so. If they hadn't destroyed the Gozanti, then they could have sent false information like someone else said, maybe by sending a crap ton of planets in the data. In that, Thrawn realizes that Attolon is not on any of his records and that draws suspicion to the planet.

To me, that would have been a much better way to end the episode. The rebels think they've won, but the Empire is one step ahead of them, like it should be.

2 minutes ago, MPG said:

My only problem is that the Empire still hasn't found out the location of the base, and this past episode was the perfect opportunity to do so. If they hadn't destroyed the Gozanti, then they could have sent false information like someone else said, maybe by sending a crap ton of planets in the data. In that, Thrawn realizes that Attolon is not on any of his records and that draws suspicion to the planet.

To me, that would have been a much better way to end the episode. The rebels think they've won, but the Empire is one step ahead of them, like it should be.

I agree. If the empire found out where the base is, the suspense would be a little more real, especially since we have twin up next, so we would have two weeks to have to wait to see what happens to the Rebel base.

edit: stories are great when you have two subplots that are both so good, that you can't wait to get back to each one.

On 3/12/2017 at 11:08 AM, jmswood said:

This might be the filthiest thing I've ever seen in this forum. A few minutes of comic-relief redemption in one episode does not remotely compare to C-3PO by any standard. C-3PO established the basis in Star Wars for near-human robot characters. I understand how some people find C-3PO annoying. I did too until I understood artistic tools like irony. Example: A machine programmed for ettiquette makes derogatory remarks about a sentient species? That's hilarious and it makes a statement about the way people really treat each other in spite of our artificial constructs of tolerance.

look dude he's just annoying to me. Get off my back, I'm allowed to have whatever tastes and preferences pertaining to fictional Star Wars characters that I develop from watching them. People legitimately take Star Wars waaay too seriously man. And they over analyze and attribute so much stuff to it that honestly isn't even there most of the time...this isn't some Citizen Kane masterpiece the first movie is literally Mario in space plus nazis and wizards with some Campbell mythos sprinkled on top.

that said, usually it's arguments about prequel characters like Jar Jar having some super deep thought provoking prominence that trigger my above eye-roll, but I have to hand it to ya you made me do it to one of the OG's...

I wonder since Lucas didn't write most of episode 5, if that's the reason it's the one where 3P0 got dismembered. Cause honestly 3P0s dismemberment doesn't serve any functional plot purpose. It's kind of unnecessary it's almost like they put it in just as an extra reward for watching.

It's been at least a year since I have watched the movies and honestly can't remember if c3p0 is more prominent in ESB than ANH and Jedi or less so...Now I am curious

On 3/10/2017 at 2:25 AM, jmswood said:

Can you point to any canon source with information about the TIEs involved in the Battle of Yavin? Everything I can find is Legends.

We do know that Chaser was there. Though there wasn't much said that I'm aware of.

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-essential-guide-to-warfare-authors-cut-part-10-the-rise-of-the-empire

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Commander Turr Phennir was born in the Valahari Provinces and raised by his stepfather, the renowned hunting pilot Count Phennir. His brother “Chaser” Cartha flew in the elite 61st Squadron at Yavin .

4 minutes ago, aRandomBoardGamingDude said:

People legitimately take Star Wars waaay too seriously man.

Guilty as charged.

5 hours ago, Azrapse said:

An episode of Rebels isn't and adlibbed or impromptu performance in the street. Its script surely goes thru through many iterations. And most likely they wrote 3 or 4 different endings before they chose this one.

My point is that if they chose this one is because either they want to underline how omniscient and mary sue they whole Ghost crew is, or they want to establish in the lore that you can blow up a ship just by sending high energy transmissions to it (basically, like killing a person by yelling at them), or both.

That is what I don't get. We already know that the Ghost crew is unbelievably plot-armored and plot-armed, so there was no need to underline that even more.
But then why insisting of adding the possibility of destroying another ship in another system just by using a transmission? We aren't even talking about Death Star reactor levels of energy. It's just the generator of a small freighter.

We have seen the Ghost crew watching the holonet in the previous chapter. The Empire could just terrorize systems by blowing up everyone at their homes or in their ships by sending a high powered holonet transmission! Why bother building a Death Star!? Why doesn't Governor Price blow up the Ghost in the previous chapter when she is demanding Mon Mothma to surrender after they come out of the nebula?
Thrawn talks directly to Sato thru through radio in the chapter of the YT-2400. Why doesn't Thrawn blow up the rebel fleet there by plugging the Chimera's generator to his transmission?
This thing has opened a huge hole in the entire plot of Star Wars. And for which purpose?

maybe like most radio systems have like a surge protector or something but if you turn it off( or have a device with a 'star wars' surge protector) you can transmit signals way farther, but are you are vulnerable to high power signals from areas nearby.

maybe on Spy ships they adjust the level or surge protection manually often enough in clandestine affairs.

Everything in Star Wars is far outside the realm of possibility within our own physics, what happened in this episode didn't strike me as something that is outside the realm of plausibility in even our own universe, other than surge protection affecting signal strength/reach. But that's the part which this is dependent upon and it is more than plausible that freaky Star Wars tech has a weakness that doesn't make any sense.

11 minutes ago, aRandomBoardGamingDude said:

Everything in Star Wars is far outside the realm of possibility within our own physics, what happened in this episode didn't strike me as something that is outside the realm of plausibility in even our own universe, other than surge protection affecting signal strength/reach. But that's the part which this is dependent upon and it is more than plausible that freaky Star Wars tech has a weakness that doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't matter how impossible anything in Star Wars is in our universe. That's not the problem at all.

The problem is that once you introduce that piece of tech or "magic" in the setting, then you need to keep asking yourself "Okay, they can do that. Then why don't they do that like all the time?".

It's consistency. If they had established from the first movie that people in Star Wars can fly, that wouldn't be a problem. It just is and we accept it like that. But then we wouldn't have had the scene of Luke falling in Bespin, or Vader throwing the Emperor down to the core because, well, they can fly!

"So... Han Solo can hyper in behind the Starkiller Base shields. Then... why didn't he do that with the Tyderium shuttle in Endor?".
Do you get my point?

18 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

"So... Han Solo can hyper in behind the Starkiller Base shields. Then... why didn't he do that with the Tyderium shuttle in Endor?".

Do you get my point?

Because the other option was more likely to succeed and as far as I know Endor had no planetary shield protecting the moon itself, only for the Deathstar.

31 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

It doesn't matter how impossible anything in Star Wars is in our universe. That's not the problem at all.

The problem is that once you introduce that piece of tech or "magic" in the setting, then you need to keep asking yourself "Okay, they can do that. Then why don't they do that like all the time?".

For me it's kind of both. Sending feed back to blow up a ship is just as corny as never doing that again. Kind of like, if you can hyperspace jump either into or out of an atmosphere then why doesn't everyone and avoid any blockades or planetary shields.

I think these are very situational and not the norm and because they are dumb can be given dumb answers/explanations.