QuoteYeah, totally forgot about Grievous. But you could explain that away because he's a cyborg and can move faster than your average person thanks to his droid parts.
Jango also killed his share of Jedi. A member of the council to boot.
Edited by flyboymbOn 20/02/2017 at 11:46 PM, Karhedron said:
True enough. He definitely has super-human speed and strength as well as the ability to move in ways that most opponents cannot.Imagine what Vader would have been like if he had had that sort of reconstruction.
Weaker. Vader has prosthetics and a suit of armour, both of which he can take off. Vader doesn't need his armour to survive, all he needs is something to assist his breathing. In the literal sense he's more man than machine.
Grievous was reduced to a brain and a sack with his organs in it and as such is just as inseparable from his frame as a human is from their skeleton. Grievous's armour
is
his body whereas Vader's armour is worn over his body.
Doing the same thing to Vader would probably cripple his force sensitivity: there'd be so physically little of him left. There's a reason you don't get droid Jedi.
Nonsense. The Force flows through everything. Even trees and rocks according to Yoda.
Losing body parts wouldn't weaken your connection to the Force.
The Force flows through everthing, but it is generated by living things. In my head canon this is the reason a droid could not exert influence on The Force any more than a rock could roll uphill by itself.
I've heard the EU had a Force Sensitive droid. I'm fairly certain such a droid will never be canon.
12 hours ago, jmswood said:As I understand it; Grievous voluntarily became a cyborg, and Mace Windu inflicted his breathing problems by crushing his metal chest with a force push. They never showed it in TCW, but I read somewhere that Filoni wanted to keep that backstory.
Vader's respirator keeps him alive. Somethingto do with his best friend leaving him for dead in a lava pit. As for Palp saving Vader; Palp devoted massive resources on a play that depended on Anakin turning. He wasn't going to waste that investment.
Dooku arranged a shuttle "accident" for Grievous so he would be rejected from his species and only have the seperatist alliance left. Grievous hated being a cyborg with passion and would have preferred to die that day.
Double post, they should really implement some feedback when you post from a page further back -.-
Oh well, lets make something useful from this: @jmswood that would be skippy the jedi droid, from a non-canon parody-ish mini-comic. At least I hope it was supposed to be parody-ish, because otherwise it is among the worst things star wars ever.
Edited by Admiral DeathrainThat was a decent episode, I'm actually starting to finally like Sabine now. It was a serious, deep episode.
" As I understand it; Grievous voluntarily became a cyborg, and Mace Windu inflicted his breathing problems by crushing his metal chest with a force push. They never showed it in TCW, but I read somewhere that Filoni wanted to keep that backstory. " Fun Fact - This was originally shown in the first TCW series, the one from 2003ish, the 2D cartoon.
Kallus is screwed.....
5 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:Dooku arranged a shuttle "accident" for Grievous so he would be rejected from his species and only have the seperatist alliance left. Grievous hated being a cyborg with passion and would have preferred to die that day.
That was the EU explanation, until Clone Wars came along and basically said "Nope!" and replaced it with Grevious being fascinated with the Jedi so he kept making himself more and more like a cyborg to be able to do the same kind of things the Jedi could do. And since Clone Wars is canon it means that Grevious went from being a skilled general who was manipulated into being a pawn of the dark side to some alien who just really liked cosmetic/cyborg surgery.
Just now, Animewarsdude said:That was the EU explanation, until Clone Wars came along and basically said "Nope!" and replaced it with Grevious being fascinated with the Jedi so he kept making himself more and more like a cyborg to be able to do the same kind of things the Jedi could do. And since Clone Wars is canon it means that Grevious went from being a skilled general who was manipulated into being a pawn of the dark side to some alien who just really liked cosmetic/cyborg surgery.
Really? Are there any works outside of the CW series that reference this? I remember this bit of info from an old (well old - read RotS release-ish) visual guide book I had as a kid.
14 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:Really? Are there any works outside of the CW series that reference this? I remember this bit of info from an old (well old - read RotS release-ish) visual guide book I had as a kid.
Ultimate Star Wars (published 2016) trumps any previous visual guide.
2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:Really? Are there any works outside of the CW series that reference this? I remember this bit of info from an old (well old - read RotS release-ish) visual guide book I had as a kid.
2 hours ago, jmswood said:Ultimate Star Wars (published 2016) trumps any previous visual guide.
That and the films, Clone Wars, and Rebels trump anything said in a book or comic, though they have the story group so that everything is lined up between everything. So it doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere else, they just made it fact. Also:
5 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:
That and the films, Clone Wars, and Rebels trump anything said in a book or comic, though they have the story group so that everything is lined up between everything. So it doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere else, they just made it fact.
Oh I wasn't asking for proof, just out of curiosity because it sounds like there is an interesting story to be told. Shame that hasn't been done, yet, and probably won't happen until the ST is through.
On 2/20/2017 at 6:15 PM, Ghost XV15 said:Man I'm seeing the parallels between Vader and Grievous only now...
That's intentional. In one of the Revenge of the Sith featurettes, they stated that after they'd picked a design for Grievous, they wanted him to be an echo of what Anakin would become. The coughing was to mimic Vader's own breathing later on.
As for their design differences, in the old EU I believe Grievous's body came from Geonosian design, whereas Vader's cyborg body came from Palpatine's top men.
Back to Rebels, I thought this was a fun episode. A nice conclusion (temporarily I suppose) to Sabine's arc through this season. It will be interesting to see if they do some episodes dedicated just to Sabine and what's happening at Mandalore, kind of like how Clone Wars jumped around too. It was cool to see more mandolorians and mandolorian culture, but if I'm being honest I'm starting to get a bit mando'd out.
I did find Sabine's sudden forgiveness for her mother's utter betrayal a bit quick. Had Saxon not decided to betray the entire Wren clan, Sabine's mother would have been just fine with her daughter and friends being hauled off (and most likely executed). Maybe Sabine's mother saving her at the last second from Saxon smoothed things over a bit, but mama Wren turned her back on Sabine once and then betrayed her when Sabine finally gained the courage to come back home. Things don't seem quite even between the two yet.
On 2/20/2017 at 1:49 PM, Blue Five said:Gall Trayvis?
TRAITOR!!!!!
(Wappity wappity wappity)
i have no regrets.
although fair point, they did successfully extract him from the imperials.
14 hours ago, Derpzilla88 said:That's intentional. In one of the Revenge of the Sith featurettes, they stated that after they'd picked a design for Grievous, they wanted him to be an echo of what Anakin would become. The coughing was to mimic Vader's own breathing later on.
As for their design differences, in the old EU I believe Grievous's body came from Geonosian design, whereas Vader's cyborg body came from Palpatine's top men.
Back to Rebels, I thought this was a fun episode. A nice conclusion (temporarily I suppose) to Sabine's arc through this season. It will be interesting to see if they do some episodes dedicated just to Sabine and what's happening at Mandalore, kind of like how Clone Wars jumped around too. It was cool to see more mandolorians and mandolorian culture, but if I'm being honest I'm starting to get a bit mando'd out.
I did find Sabine's sudden forgiveness for her mother's utter betrayal a bit quick. Had Saxon not decided to betray the entire Wren clan, Sabine's mother would have been just fine with her daughter and friends being hauled off (and most likely executed). Maybe Sabine's mother saving her at the last second from Saxon smoothed things over a bit, but mama Wren turned her back on Sabine once and then betrayed her when Sabine finally gained the courage to come back home. Things don't seem quite even between the two yet.
Actually the deal was the Saxon would take the Jedi, but leave Sabine behind with her family. who presumably would have arranged some sort of internal punishment (and attempt at "rehabilitation".)
Saxon however decided to grab Sabine as well, remove all witnesses, and destroy an entire clan to intimidate the rest of the clans (and by creating the "consorting with rebels and traitors" story, reassert the implicit threat of "obey the empire or be destroyed"
the fact the Saxon was willing to break his word, and use such underhanded tactics, is what turned Sabine's family against him.. prior they may not have been happy with how the Empire ran things, but they still believed that Saxon and the current leadership was mandalorian at heart.
and yes, the family probably still has a lot of stuff to sort out.. but family bonds are a tie that breaks reluctantly, and mandalorians are supposed ot hold to them even stronger than most others.
On 2/22/2017 at 0:32 AM, Admiral Deathrain said:Double post, they should really implement some feedback when you post from a page further back -.-
Oh well, lets make something useful from this: @jmswood that would be skippy the jedi droid, from a non-canon parody-ish mini-comic. At least I hope it was supposed to be parody-ish, because otherwise it is among the worst things star wars ever.
yep, good old R5-D4 , the red astromech that the Lars farm initially buys from the jawas in Ep4.
though in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, 4-LOM is implied to have touched on the force, while attempting to learn Zuckuss's force based findsman techniques.
1 hour ago, mithril2098 said:Actually the deal was the Saxon would take the Jedi, but leave Sabine behind with her family. who presumably would have arranged some sort of internal punishment (and attempt at "rehabilitation".)
Saxon however decided to grab Sabine as well, remove all witnesses, and destroy an entire clan to intimidate the rest of the clans (and by creating the "consorting with rebels and traitors" story, reassert the implicit threat of "obey the empire or be destroyed"
the fact the Saxon was willing to break his word, and use such underhanded tactics, is what turned Sabine's family against him.. prior they may not have been happy with how the Empire ran things, but they still believed that Saxon and the current leadership was mandalorian at heart.
I love that after all that when Sabine and Saxon landed on the ice and (if I recall correctly) Kanan/Ezra wanted to help her, her mom was like "no, Mandalorian honor dictates that they fight 1v1". Dude just betrayed you and tried to kill you all, I think that he's kind of forfeited his right to treating him honorably.
43 minutes ago, Rojek said:Dude just betrayed you and tried to kill you all, I think that he's kind of forfeited his right to treating him honorably.
That's not how honor works. If you have a code of honor, you have to follow it all the time. Not just when fighting someone else that also follows your code. If you stop being honorable the second your enemy does, then you're not any better than him. And that's the whole point of being honorable. To prove that you're better!
Fighting with honor is like playing on Hard mode. Sure, you could win by any means necessary. But that's amateur stuff. Winning with an arbitrary set of limitations? That's a challenge!
39 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:That's not how honor works. If you have a code of honor, you have to follow it all the time. Not just when fighting someone else that also follows your code. If you stop being honorable the second your enemy does, then you're not any better than him. And that's the whole point of being honorable. To prove that you're better!
Fighting with honor is like playing on Hard mode. Sure, you could win by any means necessary. But that's amateur stuff. Winning with an arbitrary set of limitations? That's a challenge!
This.
Honor is about you, and what you do, and how that reflects, charges, and reinforces your character. Other people can challenge, remark on, or recognize your honor; but honor can't be given away or borrowed: only gained or lost. If you are dishonorable you lose honor regardless of circumstance; and in fact there are few ways to gain or lose honor outside of moral difficulty.
Think about it like this: you can't say "That is a trustworthy man." about someone you've never asked a question, and likewise you can't say "That is an honorable man." about someone you've never seen in a position to act dishonorably.
On 22/02/2017 at 3:36 AM, DarthEnderX said:Nonsense. The Force flows through everything. Even trees and rocks according to Yoda.
Losing body parts wouldn't weaken your connection to the Force.
So why aren't there any droid Jedi? Why can't you mind trick a droid?
The Force is created by life in the biological sense. Droids and cybernetics aren't attuned to it. Vader probably looks like a torso to a Miraluka.
Edited by Blue Five1 hour ago, Blue Five said:So why aren't there any droid Jedi? Why can't you mind trick a droid?
The Force is created by life in the biological sense. Droids and cybernetics aren't attuned to it. Vader probably looks like a torso to a Miraluka.
Obviously because it's spiritual. Droids don't have Jedi because they don't have spirits. The Force exists in all things(if the Force didn't exist in a rock, you couldn't use the Force to lift said rock). But the ability to CONTROL the Force is tied to the spirit.
Which is why the idea that losing body parts would make you weaker with the Force is ridiculous. Because cutting off an arm doesn't cut off a piece of your spirit.
Not to mention Force ghosts. If using the Force was tied to biology, then Force ghosts couldn't even exist, because they have no bodies at all.
It's like Yoda says, "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
Edited by DarthEnderXIsn't the force present in all living things?
2 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:Isn't the force present in all living things?
Yes. But it's also present in all non-living things. Because it's present in all things. Period.
#allthingsmatter
On 2/20/2017 at 9:56 AM, Ken at Sunrise said:What happened to the Light Saber only being able to be operated by a Jedi.
I guess it really is just a regular switch that anyone can turn on; you see Sabine actually flip the switch after she shoot Saxton's backpack and he fall to the ice.
I thought only Jedi had the ability to use one effectively, rather than it being a force-powered on/off switch - as others have said, Luke and Han were both able to use it in the OT.