Trials of the Darksaber

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I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

Yes, taught to read only what needed to be read, and to write what only needed to be written...

Trials of the Darksaber

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Kanan and Hera make this episode great for me. They get a lot of quality development. We see more of the general Hera will be. Kanan evolves as a Jedi, becoming more pragmatic in his approach to training.

Sabine is becoming the teenage hero of her own dystopian drama within Rebels; just like many people predicted. She is Katniss Everdeen, with a splash of King Arthur (BBC's Merlin version) and maybe some Joan of Arc.

(I mean, at least until the Empire finally restored some order to all this lawlessness... )

Yeah, places like Lothal, Jedha, Alderaan, Geonosis and Kashyyyk are great examples of the order the Empire brings.

Compare old republic tatooine with empire time Lothal and you see the progress. Jedha, Alderaan, Geonosis and Kashyyyk are all places of rebellion and disturbance for the galaxy. You gotta do something about terrorists. Alderaan send a huge fleet against imperial installations just a day before its destruction, the Geonosians tried to enslave the whole galaxy with their mind-controlling bio-weapons, Jedha had some of the most ruthless, brutal and extreme terrorists of the whole galaxy, even to extreme for the alliance. Now the enslavement of the wookies … calmed down the trandoshans and protected the piece. Still a crime and Vader was not happy at all about it.

https://imgur.com/a/1mAFM#qACHLoS

Ehm, but wouldn't we have to compare old republic Tatooine to empire Tatooine where things have remained largely the same? We have no reason to assume Lothal was off any better or worse without the empire (probably worse, though, with how deeply rooted the resistance is on that planet).

(I mean, at least until the Empire finally restored some order to all this lawlessness... )

Yeah, places like Lothal, Jedha, Alderaan, Geonosis and Kashyyyk are great examples of the order the Empire brings.

Compare old republic tatooine with empire time Lothal and you see the progress. Jedha, Alderaan, Geonosis and Kashyyyk are all places of rebellion and disturbance for the galaxy. You gotta do something about terrorists. Alderaan send a huge fleet against imperial installations just a day before its destruction, the Geonosians tried to enslave the whole galaxy with their mind-controlling bio-weapons, Jedha had some of the most ruthless, brutal and extreme terrorists of the whole galaxy, even to extreme for the alliance. Now the enslavement of the wookies … calmed down the trandoshans and protected the piece. Still a crime and Vader was not happy at all about it.

https://imgur.com/a/1mAFM#qACHLoS

Here we go again, the evil Empire didn't do nothing

In most cases you mistake effect for a cause. Living on one of those planet isn't **** because there are rebels there (and stop with the overuse of "terrorists" - a terrorist is someone who uses fear to achieve his goals. That doesn't apply to most of the Rebels cells but applies to the whole Empire), there are rebels there because it's **** to to live there.

Why would I compare Empire Lothal to Republic Tatooine when I can compare Empire Lothal to Republic Lothal and Empire Tatooine to Republic Tatooine?

Tatooine wasn't even a Republic world, but let's ignore it. How much better is Imperial Tatooine? Jabba doesn't seem to be bothered by the Empire. There are some stormtroopers, but maybe, jsut maybe, it has sometihng to do with the fact that there is an ISD overhead sending troops to find the plans.

Lothal on the other hand is a great example of a world run to the ground by the Empire.

It[s not because of Rebels. Rebellion is the answer to everything the Empire has done to make the life on Lothal miserable.

Alderaan didn't send any fleets anywhere because it didn't have a fleet. Besides what twisted logic would dictate that the answer to sending a few corvettes should be the destruction of the whole planet with billions of civilians?

Geonosis... Gemans tried to exterminate all the Jews and half of the Eastern Europe but for some reason they weren't exterminated in return. And don't pretend they were genocided for being Separatists, they were genocided to hide the existence of the Death Star which the Good Empire intended to use against its civilian population, as they intended to rule by fear, good example of a terrorist organization.

Same for Jedha. a) Rebellion is an answer to Empire's crimes b) I guess we should nuke Mekka or Jerusalem because ISIS is a thing.

Oh no, poor Annie, was sad, it totally makes up for everything.

Back to Rebels...

A good episode.

Does anyone know when we can expect to see the new episodes in the U.K.? I have it on series link but there don't seem to be anything new post since the Saw episodes.

Man, what a great episode. I got a lump in my throat when Sabine was pouring her heart out to Kanan about her past.

All the actors did exceptionally well in this one.

I'm glad that Kanan is not stupid after all.

Nice to see Sabine finally struggling with something.

But yeah, there we go, it's even better than I expected, meet 13 years old Doctor of Technology (Specialisation: Terrible Weapons) Sabine Wren!

Fraking awesome episode.

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But yeah, there we go, it's even better than I expected, meet 13 years old Doctor of Technology (Specialisation: Terrible Weapons) Sabine Wren!

- (Ignites Darksaber) Oh, It's heavier than I thought.

- Energy constantly flows through the crystal. You are not fighting with a simple blade as much you are directing a current of power. Your thoughts, your actions, they become energy. They flow to the crystal as well and become part of the blade ..... (Ignites Lightsaber) The blades will be drawn to each other....

The fact that Light Sabers are, like, magnetized to each other is also super interesting. Actually kinda makes the sword fighting less impressive when you know the weapons have a innate tendency to parry themselves.

I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

And yet, given all the screen time we've seen with humans in the movies, the Clone Wars, and now Rebels...have you ever even seen a book, or anything like it, anywhere? Have you seen anyone, ever, "reading for fun"? Compare Star Trek - they read all the time . Literally every single movie you've got at least one scene with books in it, or people reading, or people quoting literature. In the Star Wars galaxy...the only time anyone 'reads' anything, it's a military officer using a computer screen (which you'd assume they'd have been trained to do if they couldn't previously read - certainly all modern militaries had to deal with that in the first half of the 20th century). People in this setting prefer holograms for communication, holocrons for information storage, and entertainment...well, that goes back to the 'rather unpleasant place to live'...few people are seen participating in any kind of entertainment at all. And when they are...it's watching pod racing - with its echoes of chariot racing, watching gladiatorial executions, watching slaves dancing, etc. So...again, kinda sucky place, and I think you could make a good case for literacy outside of professional forces being basically nonexistent.

I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

And yet, given all the screen time we've seen with humans in the movies, the Clone Wars, and now Rebels...have you ever even seen a book, or anything like it, anywhere? Have you seen anyone, ever, "reading for fun"? Compare Star Trek - they read all the time . Literally every single movie you've got at least one scene with books in it, or people reading, or people quoting literature. In the Star Wars galaxy...the only time anyone 'reads' anything, it's a military officer using a computer screen (which you'd assume they'd have been trained to do if they couldn't previously read - certainly all modern militaries had to deal with that in the first half of the 20th century). People in this setting prefer holograms for communication, holocrons for information storage, and entertainment...well, that goes back to the 'rather unpleasant place to live'...few people are seen participating in any kind of entertainment at all. And when they are...it's watching pod racing - with its echoes of chariot racing, watching gladiatorial executions, watching slaves dancing, etc. So...again, kinda sucky place, and I think you could make a good case for literacy outside of professional forces being basically nonexistent.

You seen anyone in star wars go to the toilet? No? They must not have anuses then...

I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

And yet, given all the screen time we've seen with humans in the movies, the Clone Wars, and now Rebels...have you ever even seen a book, or anything like it, anywhere? Have you seen anyone, ever, "reading for fun"? Compare Star Trek - they read all the time . Literally every single movie you've got at least one scene with books in it, or people reading, or people quoting literature. In the Star Wars galaxy...the only time anyone 'reads' anything, it's a military officer using a computer screen (which you'd assume they'd have been trained to do if they couldn't previously read - certainly all modern militaries had to deal with that in the first half of the 20th century). People in this setting prefer holograms for communication, holocrons for information storage, and entertainment...well, that goes back to the 'rather unpleasant place to live'...few people are seen participating in any kind of entertainment at all. And when they are...it's watching pod racing - with its echoes of chariot racing, watching gladiatorial executions, watching slaves dancing, etc. So...again, kinda sucky place, and I think you could make a good case for literacy outside of professional forces being basically nonexistent.

You seen anyone in star wars go to the toilet? No? They must not have anuses then...

Ummm...how much time do you spend in a bathroom a day compared to how much time you spend reading?

How many rooms in your house have books vs how many rooms have toilets?

These things aren't even remotely comparable.

(Even so - we do very specifically know there are "anuses" in the Star Wars galaxy... Jar Jar Binks, after all, helpfully stepping in a pile of poodoo. )

I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

And yet, given all the screen time we've seen with humans in the movies, the Clone Wars, and now Rebels...have you ever even seen a book, or anything like it, anywhere? Have you seen anyone, ever, "reading for fun"? Compare Star Trek - they read all the time . Literally every single movie you've got at least one scene with books in it, or people reading, or people quoting literature. In the Star Wars galaxy...the only time anyone 'reads' anything, it's a military officer using a computer screen (which you'd assume they'd have been trained to do if they couldn't previously read - certainly all modern militaries had to deal with that in the first half of the 20th century). People in this setting prefer holograms for communication, holocrons for information storage, and entertainment...well, that goes back to the 'rather unpleasant place to live'...few people are seen participating in any kind of entertainment at all. And when they are...it's watching pod racing - with its echoes of chariot racing, watching gladiatorial executions, watching slaves dancing, etc. So...again, kinda sucky place, and I think you could make a good case for literacy outside of professional forces being basically nonexistent.

You seen anyone in star wars go to the toilet? No? They must not have anuses then...

Ummm...how much time do you spend in a bathroom a day compared to how much time you spend reading?

How many rooms in your house have books vs how many rooms have toilets?

These things aren't even remotely comparable.

Same reason we never see people showering, shagging, doing laundry, very rarely do we see them sleeping (again - unless it's somehow part of the plot).

People read in Star Wars, just because you don't see them messing around with sliced bits of tree means nothing.

I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

And yet, given all the screen time we've seen with humans in the movies, the Clone Wars, and now Rebels...have you ever even seen a book, or anything like it, anywhere? Have you seen anyone, ever, "reading for fun"? Compare Star Trek - they read all the time . Literally every single movie you've got at least one scene with books in it, or people reading, or people quoting literature. In the Star Wars galaxy...the only time anyone 'reads' anything, it's a military officer using a computer screen (which you'd assume they'd have been trained to do if they couldn't previously read - certainly all modern militaries had to deal with that in the first half of the 20th century). People in this setting prefer holograms for communication, holocrons for information storage, and entertainment...well, that goes back to the 'rather unpleasant place to live'...few people are seen participating in any kind of entertainment at all. And when they are...it's watching pod racing - with its echoes of chariot racing, watching gladiatorial executions, watching slaves dancing, etc. So...again, kinda sucky place, and I think you could make a good case for literacy outside of professional forces being basically nonexistent.

You seen anyone in star wars go to the toilet? No? They must not have anuses then...

Ummm...how much time do you spend in a bathroom a day compared to how much time you spend reading?

How many rooms in your house have books vs how many rooms have toilets?

These things aren't even remotely comparable.

(Even so - we do very specifically know there are "anuses" in the Star Wars galaxy... Jar Jar Binks, after all, helpfully stepping in a pile of poodoo. )

Obviously the books are all digital so you will never see them.

Ezra brought blue milk in his canteen. I'm guessing the other guy had whiskey.

Chopper purred? If all the Star Wars stories are told through the droids, it's now no surprise Sabine is so awesome.

Wonder if Bendu talked to Sabine off camera. It was looking like he might.

Enthralling episode.

Another step closer to Queen Sabine and her knights of the Wren table? Nah.

I now understand how lightsabers work, but am slightly unclear on the metaphysical properties of the sticks. (Wooden sticks were once alive and therefore are connected to the force.) j/k

There is a "training stick" in the FFG RPG associated with force sensitives - it uses the Lightsaber skill but is easy to write off as just a stick - it's a weapon which does little harm but is balanced properly to be a good training tool (because Kanan can't get a real training saber)

I'm fairly certain that Germans under the third Reich could still read and write, and as that's who the empire is modeled after I'd imagine humans (the master race to the empire) would by and large be well trained. Others, maybe not so much.

And yet, given all the screen time we've seen with humans in the movies, the Clone Wars, and now Rebels...have you ever even seen a book, or anything like it, anywhere? Have you seen anyone, ever, "reading for fun"? Compare Star Trek - they read all the time . Literally every single movie you've got at least one scene with books in it, or people reading, or people quoting literature. In the Star Wars galaxy...the only time anyone 'reads' anything, it's a military officer using a computer screen (which you'd assume they'd have been trained to do if they couldn't previously read - certainly all modern militaries had to deal with that in the first half of the 20th century). People in this setting prefer holograms for communication, holocrons for information storage, and entertainment...well, that goes back to the 'rather unpleasant place to live'...few people are seen participating in any kind of entertainment at all. And when they are...it's watching pod racing - with its echoes of chariot racing, watching gladiatorial executions, watching slaves dancing, etc. So...again, kinda sucky place, and I think you could make a good case for literacy outside of professional forces being basically nonexistent.

You seen anyone in star wars go to the toilet? No? They must not have anuses then...

Ummm...how much time do you spend in a bathroom a day compared to how much time you spend reading?

How many rooms in your house have books vs how many rooms have toilets?

These things aren't even remotely comparable.

(Even so - we do very specifically know there are "anuses" in the Star Wars galaxy... Jar Jar Binks, after all, helpfully stepping in a pile of poodoo. )

Obviously the books are all digital so you will never see them.

In legends they weren't illiterate, but books weren't really a thing. There was flimsipast or something that was like paper but generally datapads are the main way people read or write. The same way how in Trek most people do the same thing.

Ummm...how much time do you spend in a bathroom a day compared to how much time you spend reading?

Isn't that the same thing?

Ummm...how much time do you spend in a bathroom a day compared to how much time you spend reading?

Isn't that the same thing?

BTW, " All over the U.S.A. 30 million (14% of adults) are unable to perform simple and everyday literacy activities", that is a common number in all of western civilisation. The star wars galaxy does not sound that different from this and at least knowing several languages is super common. ;-)

Not to totally derail the conversations above (just kidding, far too much hating going on lol)

If the force flows through everyone and Sabine is an emotional wreck, does that mean she is more susceptible to getting influenced by the dark side? I kind of thought that was the direction Kanan was going.

- (Ignites Darksaber) Oh, It's heavier than I thought.

- Energy constantly flows through the crystal. You are not fighting with a simple blade as much you are directing a current of power. Your thoughts, your actions, they become energy. They flow to the crystal as well and become part of the blade ..... (Ignites Lightsaber) The blades will be drawn to each other....

Everything about that scene was amazing. I have a friend that's both a sword fighting instructor and a Star Wars fan that I'm sure is going to love the hell out of that scene.

The fact that Light Sabers are, like, magnetized to each other is also super interesting. Actually kinda makes the sword fighting less impressive when you know the weapons have a innate tendency to parry themselves.

Not parry, block. Yeah, me and my brother figured that the lightsabers had to stick to each other way back in the day. The saber-clashes wouldn't work if done with steel swords; there're just to many ways to parry and riposte. When the blades can't slip past each other it means that you can't parry or else your blade will be dragged with their swing, you have to use hard blocks mixed with footwork. Hard blocks are just a no-no in any typical swordsmanship because they just let the attacker chain attacks, bouncing their blade off of your rigid block, letting you do the work for them.

But yeah, anyway. Bro and me thought it might be a function of the magnetics used to loop the plasma, turns out it's the Force instead.

Same effect though - fighting with a lightsaber is like fighting with a big, sticky, mace that can get glued to other maces like it if you're not careful.

<- Loop of plasma. Don't breathe this.

Also bombs? I'm guessing she made bombs. They'll probably explain the Sabine-Destroyer-of-Worlds bit later, but it made for a great episode. Character development, fights, character development during fights - that's how it's served best.

Also bombs? I'm guessing she made bombs. They'll probably explain the Sabine-Destroyer-of-Worlds bit later, but it made for a great episode. Character development, fights, character development during fights - that's how it's served best.

Anyone else pissed that they're taking another month long hiatus only a few weeks after their Christmas break?