"Training mode" is very un-Mandalorian. It makes sense to our soft culture, and even to an order of warrior monks like the Jedi.

It's not the morality of it that concerns me.

It's the idea that what is essentially a giant plasma torch has a "safe to touch" setting.

I can understand your position. From where I sit, "plasma torch" is a conjecture based on real-world science. A light saber focuses energy through an entirely fictional crystal to produce an entirely fictional blade of light. The creators say light sabers have built in safety scissors. That's a far cry from the most far fetched thing Star Wars fans are asked to accept.

"Training mode" is very un-Mandalorian. It makes sense to our soft culture, and even to an order of warrior monks like the Jedi.

It's not the morality of it that concerns me.

It's the idea that what is essentially a giant plasma torch has a "safe to touch" setting.

I can understand your position. From where I sit, "plasma torch" is a conjecture based on real-world science. A light saber focuses energy through an entirely fictional crystal to produce an entirely fictional blade of light. The creators say light sabers have built in safety scissors. That's a far cry from the most far fetched thing Star Wars fans are asked to accept.

It's not that implausible.

A lightsaber has a power cell. If you reduce the power to the blade it'll produce a weaker blade, no? Put less power into a torch and it doesn't shine as bright, put less power into a motor and it doesn't spin as fast, put less power into a heater and it doesn't get as hot.

So they dial it down to the minimum where you can still see the blade. Then anything you hit gets a bit singed but not melted and cauterised. The duelling still works as, if I recall correctly, it's the containment fields that clash rather than the cutting blade itself. Even if it doesn't work like that any more both blades are dialled down so they won't cut each other.

The Darksaber's a bit more basic and just has an on and off setting but giving a saber a training mode may be as easy as giving it a variable power supply, something which isn't advanced technology.

It's in the "mystery of chopper base" episode (or the one right after. Its the giant killer spiders episode.) nearing the end of season 2. Kanan and Ezra are training to go to Malachor, and both blades are a transparent blue color while also making a much different sound.

Which, since his sound and saber color are as per usual, means that Kanan is using a live blade against Sabine in her training.

Interesting.

Possibly the darksaber doesn't have a 'training mode' and would otherwise cut through a regular lightsaber so configured - IE., only having a 'kill' setting, the lightsaber it trains against needs to be set to the same to block it.

That's a pretty plausible idea. Makes perfect sense to me, considering who made the Darksaber.

What still does not make sense is that they use the Darksaber for training. It is a super silly idea. They have sabers which can be used for training, they should use those ^-^

One lightsaber is not like another. Some of the skills are transferable: timing, footwork, basic defense, but the weapons themselves are not the same.

Even leaving out the bit about Kyber crystals bonding with their users, the Darksaber is pretty different than most lightsabers and if the idea is for her to be using that specific saber then that's what she should use. It has a wider and shorter blade than most sabers, a longer hilt with a guard and a large ricasso, a rectangular grip and a leading edge.

It's still a lightsaber, and the "edge" might mentally limit what one would do with it. She has to learn to cut with the "flat" of the blade, how to handle the specific aeroresistant qualities of this specific saber, and she has to learn when to use it as well. She's not a force-wielder, blocking blaster shots is probably a non-option unless the force wills it or something which would mean a disadvantage in a blasterfight unless she uses it in combination with her other weapons, or closes the gap quickly.

That, coupled with the fact that any Mandalorian that hasn't completely jumped into the peace-nik basket will have been handling deadly weapons since the time they got their first pacifier, makes what I think is a rather strong case for her to just use the real one rather than to bum a saber with a training setting off of Ezra.

"Training mode" is very un-Mandalorian. It makes sense to our soft culture, and even to an order of warrior monks like the Jedi.

It's not the morality of it that concerns me.

It's the idea that what is essentially a giant plasma torch has a "safe to touch" setting.

Maybe it's not safe. Maybe it causes painful burns, and could even kill if handled carelessly. But if it doesn't lop off arms and legs like they weren't there, it's still a preferable training setting.

**** you turn your back on this disscussion for one day and not checking it during Uni and bam 3 new sites with topics come and gone.

So on the disscussion of wether or not a Lightsaber has a training mode or not, I remembered reading something about that:
Wookieepedia states that "some Lightsabers" come with a powersetting, even up to a non-lethal setting. The source is Star Wars Rebels: Mysteries of Chopper Base.
Maybe they go into more detail on Rebels Recon?

Also I think the point raised that the Darksaber might just not have such a setting and could cut through a training blade is a good one.
Furthermore Sabine, as a Mandalorian might just not want to train with a "childstoy" as she probably grew up blasting tincans with bazookas.

Looking at that picture posted above, I just realized how much the Darksaber looks like Damascus steel.

Looking at that picture posted above, I just realized how much the Darksaber looks like Damascus steel.

It does. Maybe this is meant as a reference to Beska, aka Mandalorian Iron, which is kinda the magic metal of the Star Wars EU, but they did not want to include actually such a material into the canon?

It's in the "mystery of chopper base" episode (or the one right after. Its the giant killer spiders episode.) nearing the end of season 2. Kanan and Ezra are training to go to Malachor, and both blades are a transparent blue color while also making a much different sound.

Which, since his sound and saber color are as per usual, means that Kanan is using a live blade against Sabine in her training.

Interesting.

Possibly the darksaber doesn't have a 'training mode' and would otherwise cut through a regular lightsaber so configured - IE., only having a 'kill' setting, the lightsaber it trains against needs to be set to the same to block it.

I think you should leave... this forum doesn't need this kind of positive theory crafting and reasoning. /sarcasm

A lightsaber created by a Mandalorian, likely having grown up somewhat in their martial centric culture, being limited to lethal combat seems fitting.

Though then again...
A mandalorian Jedi would primarilly be a Jedi and second a mandalorian, so the Jedi philosophies would take dominance.

But then we know that the Jedi of old were Knights, Warriors even, so maybe it is less the Mandalorian part but just the thing at the time.

Looking at that picture posted above, I just realized how much the Darksaber looks like Damascus steel.

It does. Maybe this is meant as a reference to Beska, aka Mandalorian Iron, which is kinda the magic metal of the Star Wars EU, but they did not want to include actually such a material into the canon?

Edit:

As for the darksaber possibly la king a non lethal setting:

it's quite a slim line Handel as far as lightsabers go, so such options may have been excluded for space/weight reasons.

It's a very old sabre perhaps predating the use of an option rather than bespoke training blades (certainly giving a novice a weapon which could accidentally become lethal seems a liability, so a preference for bespoke training blades at least on the padawan side does make sense).

Perhaps the training mode is uncommon on sabres outside of those specifically training younglings or working in the temple. Obviously though if Kanan has the setting it would be useful for Ezra to also include it.

Maybe this is meant as a reference to Beska, aka Mandalorian Iron, which is kinda the magic metal of the Star Wars EU

You misspelled cortosis.

Maybe this is meant as a reference to Beska, aka Mandalorian Iron, which is kinda the magic metal of the Star Wars EU

You misspelled cortosis.

I did indeed misspielled Beskar, but Cortosis is not Mandalorian Iron, it is a different Element.

Maybe this is meant as a reference to Beska, aka Mandalorian Iron, which is kinda the magic metal of the Star Wars EU

You misspelled cortosis.

I did indeed misspielled Beskar, but Cortosis is not Mandalorian Iron, it is a different Element.

You're both misspelling phrik .

Though then again...

A mandalorian Jedi would primarilly be a Jedi and second a mandalorian, so the Jedi philosophies would take dominance.

But then we know that the Jedi of old were Knights, Warriors even, so maybe it is less the Mandalorian part but just the thing at the time.

Alot of the above posters, like the one I quoted, have been talking about a Mandalorian Jedi, and about how that is probably why there is no training mode on the Darksaber, with their warlike nature and all. The problem with that theory is that the Darksaber wasn't originally a Mandalorian weapon. It was stolen from the Jedi Temple during the fall of the old republic. Pre Visla says this the first time you see the Darksaber in TCW. So if it doesn't have a training mode(which we are not sure it doesn't) it has nothing to do with it being a Mandalorian design.

And changing gears, am I the only one who has an issue with Sabine getting a lightsaber at all? Since George Lucas changed his mind about who gets lightsabers(originally everyone got one before just limiting them to Jedi and Sith) and only Jedi and Sith have them, there has been a unspoken rule that you needed the force to use a lightsaber effectively. Then Episode 3 gave the Magna droids electro staffs that were able to fight against lightsabers. Then in TCW, Hondo fought the Jedi with his Electro staff, and Pre Visla fought with the stolen Darksaber. Even Cad Bane used one to fight Quinlan Vos. So I guess it is not really a rule anymore. But it still bugs me. Anyone else prefer the old days of "only Jedi can use lightsabers"?

Cortosis still exists, but it has been changed to a blaster-conductive material rather than a lightsaber-resistant one.

Mandolorian Iron is just a legend.

Phrik is canon, and cannot be cut by lightsabers.

Nun of you ar gud enuf at spelign too corekt the uthers; teh languaj gods are gunna kil us if you keep tihs up.

Alot of the above posters, like the one I quoted, have been talking about a Mandalorian Jedi, and about how that is probably why there is no training mode on the Darksaber, with their warlike nature and all.

Not to spoil you, but in the preview of the next episode Fen Rau explains to Kanan how the Dark Saber was created by a Member of Clan Viszla, the first Mandalorian Jedi, thousands of years ago and after his death the Jedi kept it.

Later Members of the Clan took it back and started the Mandalorian Wars (without Revan apparently)

Anyone else prefer the old days of "only Jedi can use lightsabers"?

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make that restriction. If the Lightsaber required use of The Force to activate, then only Force Wielders should be allowed to use Lightsabers. Given Lighsabers have batteries and on/off switches; a creative limitation like "Jedi/Sith only" makes no sense.

Anyone else prefer the old days of "only Jedi can use lightsabers"?

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make that restriction. If the Lightsaber required use of The Force to activate, then only Force Wielders should be allowed to use Lightsabers. Given Lighsabers have batteries and on/off switches; a creative limitation like "Jedi/Sith only" makes no sense.

Indeed, I mean Han was able to use a Lightsaber to cut up a Tauntaun.

I allways figured, everyone can use a lightsaber, but only Forceusers can use it in a time of blasters and space guns without dying due to their super reflexes

Anyone else prefer the old days of "only Jedi can use lightsabers"?

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make that restriction. If the Lightsaber required use of The Force to activate, then only Force Wielders should be allowed to use Lightsabers. Given Lighsabers have batteries and on/off switches; a creative limitation like "Jedi/Sith only" makes no sense.

Indeed, I mean Han was able to use a Lightsaber to cut up a Tauntaun.

I allways figured, everyone can use a lightsaber, but only Forceusers can use it in a time of blasters and space guns without dying due to their super reflexes

Not sure it's a case of "can use it" so much as "would be any point to using it".

After all the main 'gimmick' of the light saber is its ability to block blaster shots...which only someone trained as a Jedi or Sith, with the Force as their ally, would be able to do. To anyone else...well, they'd just be unusually light and glowing swords in a time of machine guns and cannons. IE., "not very useful".

You're right. It's gotta be told to you directly. We can't just figure things out anymore. It HAS to be circled, pointed to, highlighted, given a snopes link and so on for anybody to actually believe anything anymore. God forbid we actually take hints at all, ever.

Yes. It's called not making assumptions and fact checking.

Though I realize nobody does those things anymore in this day and age now that we live in a post-fact society.

But here you go, end of the speculation:

Excellent!

We don't have to fact check when the fact is literally right there. We do not live in a post-fact society but we DO seem to live in a post cognitive-thought one.

"Training mode" is very un-Mandalorian. It makes sense to our soft culture, and even to an order of warrior monks like the Jedi. It does not suit the victory or death culture of the non-pacifist Mandalorians like the Protectors and House Vizla. (Who do we know affiliated with those Mandalorian factions?)

An entire culture of warriors knows also, that expending warriors in training is a surefire way to eliminate a warrior by accident who could have been very good. Training should always be safe. There's a reason we don't use live rounds doing the crawl-under-fire bit in basic anymore.

Cortosis still exists, but it has been changed to a blaster-conductive material rather than a lightsaber-resistant one.

Mandolorian Iron is just a legend.

Phrik is canon, and cannot be cut by lightsabers.

Nun of you ar gud enuf at spelign too corekt the uthers; teh languaj gods are gunna kil us if you keep tihs up.

I'm quite good enough..!

Also I think the point raised that the Darksaber might just not have such a setting and could cut through a training blade is a good one.

Furthermore Sabine, as a Mandalorian might just not want to train with a "childstoy" as she probably grew up blasting tincans with bazookas.

Sabine might be an idiot but Kanan didn't seem to be.

Logically they should have trained with Ezra's saber until Sabine was proficient enough at least not to hurt herself. Real swordsmen often tain on practice weapons and don't really need retraining when chanign one sword to another that is 5cm longer.

Keep in mind that lightsabers are much more similar to each other than real swords becasue of the massless blade, no momentum needed to cut or thrust, no cutting edge and no thrusting point the important differences between different sabers are blade length and hilt balance and because you don't need momentum and the hilt is short there won't be much variation even there.

(we also know that you can be competent in a lightsaber combat after training with a staff or a police baton, which is actually 100% reasonable and applies to real martial arts)

Alot of the above posters, like the one I quoted, have been talking about a Mandalorian Jedi, and about how that is probably why there is no training mode on the Darksaber, with their warlike nature and all.

Not to spoil you, but in the preview of the next episode Fen Rau explains to Kanan how the Dark Saber was created by a Member of Clan Viszla, the first Mandalorian Jedi, thousands of years ago and after his death the Jedi kept it.

Later Members of the Clan took it back and started the Mandalorian Wars (without Revan apparently)

I didn't see that preview. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Not that my opinion matters, but I feel like if that was true Visla would have mentioned it. He was very proud of his warrior heritage after all. Maybe he didn't know, but then how did Fenn? I just don't like inconsistencies.

I didn't see that preview. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Not that my opinion matters, but I feel like if that was true Visla would have mentioned it. He was very proud of his warrior heritage after all. Maybe he didn't know, but then how did Fenn? I just don't like inconsistencies.

Pre Vizla has plenty of motivation to omit details about the Darksaber's origins while boasting to Obi-Wan Kenobi about the blade being Mandalorian spoils from the Jedi Temple. Vizla isn't going to undermine his own taunt by telling Obi-Wan, "By the way the Darksaber was crafted by a Mandalorian Jedi."

We don't have to fact check when the fact is literally right there.

Just because something seems obvious to you doesn't make it a fact.

The video you posted was not conclusive. The image from the episode guide that eMeM posted, was.

Multiple canon sources give Lightsabers some kind of power cell. In Rogue One a character with very little knowledge of Lightsabers was making a speculative comment about Kybers.