Boba Fett is a loser.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Fandom, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."

Boba Fett is a loser.

The fanboy gushing over him irks me. Although it does mean i can relish his incredibly pathetic showing over the saarlac pit every time I watch Jedi.

I was a huge Fett fan as a kid (as I imagine many of us were). I loved that the EU gave him so many more developed and interesting outings... And when they came out one of the things I hated most about the prequels was Jango. He felt like pandering, and his baby-boba (and his continuing adventures) only served to undermine and ruin the mysterious imposing nearly silent guy we knew from the OT.

So yeah, the Fetts are irredeemably wrecked in my eyes, but I have enjoyed some of the other mandolorians we have seen. Bo-Katan and PreVisla for instance managed to be cool and strong and flawed, without being flooded in fan service.

I only hope Sabine doesn't turn into another Jango with time.

Who thinks that Thrawn knows about Agent Kallus's true loyalties?

Thrawn:

I think the rule of 2 is was misconstrued by many. Yoda never said "ONLY two there are...". He said Always. IE they come in pairs. Unlike the Jedi which have training academies, the SIth work in groups of two. You never see any Sith training two apprentices at the same time.

Thanks for pointing this out. I always thought the idea of there only being two Sith in the galaxy was not only stupid but also extremely limiting story-wise. Glad to hear that I interpreted it wrong. Although I haven't seen anything in the canon material so far that contradicts that interpretation. (Granted, I haven't watched the Clone Wars series or read any of the new novels and comic books yet)

I'd really love to see Boba Fett coming along, claiming the Dark Saber, killing Sabine, Saxon and other rivals, destroying the Dark Saber and saying ''I'm Mandalore now. But I'm not in the mood for it. So go and become Bounty Hunters!''

ew no

Boba Fett is a loser.

I'd really love to see Boba Fett coming along, claiming the Dark Saber, killing Sabine, Saxon and other rivals, destroying the Dark Saber and saying ''I'm Mandalore now. But I'm not in the mood for it. So go and become Bounty Hunters!''

I only hope Sabine doesn't turn into another Jango with time.

I'd really love to see Boba Fett coming along, claiming the Dark Saber, killing Sabine, Saxon and other rivals, destroying the Dark Saber and saying ''I'm Mandalore now. But I'm not in the mood for it. So go and become Bounty Hunters!''

I think the rule of 2 is was misconstrued by many. Yoda never said "ONLY two there are...". He said Always. IE they come in pairs. Unlike the Jedi which have training academies, the SIth work in groups of two. You never see any Sith training two apprentices at the same time.

Thanks for pointing this out. I always thought the idea of there only being two Sith in the galaxy was not only stupid but also extremely limiting story-wise. Glad to hear that I interpreted it wrong. Although I haven't seen anything in the canon material so far that contradicts that interpretation. (Granted, I haven't watched the Clone Wars series or read any of the new novels and comic books yet)

The Clone Wars made it pretty clear that a Sith lords will not tolerate any rivals. It was Palpatine who killed Mauls apprentice, it was Palpatine who brought Maul down again, it was Palpatine who arranged for the demise of Mother Talzin as well and it was Palpatine who remembered Dooku of the rule of two and ordered Ventress execution when she became powerful enough to be called a sith.

What the rule of two does not prevent is having agents, infiltrators, inquisitors and other barely trained and disposable assets. What the rule of two does not prevent either is having multiple master/apprentice pairs fighting each other for dominance. But in general the rule means indeed that only one pair survives.And in general it means as well that usually one apprentice will try to kill his master with his own (secret) apprentice while the master will always seek to replace his old apprentice for a more useful one.

In the final arc of the Vader comic, Palp lectures Vader on the Rule of Two. The ancient Sith lost a galactic war with the Jedi. The purpose of the Rule of Two was to allow the Sith to endure in obscurity until the galaxy would be blind to their return to power.

Thrawn's Star Destoryer in Rebels is the Chimaera according to wookiepedia.

So... if I were to start watching Clone Wars with my son, should I start with Season 2? We started the show before on 1, but it was not interesting enough for him.

Watch them in chronological order -

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

I never said THANKS for this. It's been a big help! Already I can see how some of these episodes not played together is too disjointed. It really helps a lot.

I just started watching the Clone Wars using the guide nathankc linked to and it seems like there is an error. It lists episodes 216 and 116 as occurring before the AOTC movie. But those episodes feature clone troopers and Obi Wan and Anakin acting as generals in the middle of the clone wars. I thought Obi Wan wasn't even aware of the clone production until he visited Kamino in AOTC. Sorry, I haven't seen AOTC since it was in theaters, so maybe I am way off base. Would someone care to explain?

Oh.

The "Clone Wars" movie they're referencing is the one where Ahsoka appears and was the series premiere; chronologically Attack Of The Clones is probably six months or a year earlier than even the first TCW episodes.

Would you like my list of the "Non-filler" episodes to go along with that chronological list? I do have to change it a bit, because with the appearance of Saw several TCW episodes become relevant in a broader sense now, but other than that it's just the good stuff, and none of the... well... trash.

The "Clone Wars" movie they're referencing is the one where Ahsoka appears and was the series premiere; chronologically Attack Of The Clones is probably six months or a year earlier than even the first TCW episodes.

Thanks. I had no idea that the Clone Wars got a theatrical release. Makes sense now.

Would you like my list of the "Non-filler" episodes to go along with that chronological list? I do have to change it a bit, because with the appearance of Saw several TCW episodes become relevant in a broader sense now, but other than that it's just the good stuff, and none of the... well... trash.

Sure. I'd be curious to hear what you think is good.

Thanks. I had no idea that the Clone Wars got a theatrical release. Makes sense now.

Clone Wars is mostly divided into 4 episode story arcs. The "movie" is basically just the first 4 episode arc of the series edited together.

And it's not a good one...

The main reason I cut episodes is because nothing that happens in these episodes are important to the actual plotline of the Clone Wars, or are so banally predictable that you can just skip watching them - or because they're insufferable to watch , like the last half of TCW Theatrical Release.

Some episodes are there just because I actually think they're good storytelling , but don't have any real plot bearing - they're filler, but GOOD filler, like the creme in a Twinkie. Unlike the bad filler, which is like the creme in a Twinkie... past the sell-by date.

In chronological order (because that's how I ordered them...

The Clone Wars Theatrical Release (but only up until Ahsoka and Anakin have their little heart to heart, that's the first episode and it's good. The rest is trash.)

003 Clone Cadets (Introduces Fives)

009 Rookies (Continues Fives' story)

013 Cloak of Darkness (Despite being part 2 of an arc, this episode is a genuine thriller front to back. Action packed, betrayals, fast thinking on both sides...)

014 Lair of Grievous (Gives you more insight into Grievous, makes you realize WHY he's feared, and is also a solid ep).

015-016 Dooku Captured/Gungan General (A two parter with lots of good dialogue. It actually made me... LIKE Jar Jar. I did not think that was possible.)

022-024 Ryloth Arc (establishes plot points about Hera Syndulla's father and is a representative sample of the 'Clones fight ground war against Separatists' episodes which make up so much of what got cut)

025-026 Holocron Heist/Cargo of Doom (Cad Bane and more stuff about the Jedi Order, along with some good action.)

027 Children of the Force (VITAL for introducing Palpatine as a shadowy force behind the Clone Wars and that he's already looking beyond what happens when he wins)

028 Bounty Hunters (Skippable. But it's Seven Samurai with Jedi and Hondo!)

031 Senate Spy (A bit of politics, but actually displays the relationship between Padme and Anakin in a watchable and believable way)

035 Brain Invaders (The three eps before this are more 'ground war boringness' which technically introduces Ahsoka's friend, but this one is a genuinely creepy thriller and you don't need to know more than 'she's another Padawan'.)

036-037 Grievous Intrigue & The Deserter (Earlier in the series there's a whole thing about the Malevolence, and I skipped it because 036 does the 'infiltrate the ship' better with less stupid hijinks. It also gives context to the Deserter, which is just... a GREAT episode for understanding the Clones)

038 Lightsaber Lost (Skippable. But Ahsoka's great. The jedi master helping her is great. It's a fun little noirish episode.)

039-041 Satine arc (Sets up the TCW Mandalore, and 040 has one of the most genuinely chilling previews of what is to come in the entire series.)

042-044 Baby Boba arc (It was these episodes that actually made me like Boba Fett!)

047 Assassin (Skippable. But Ahsoka and Padme play off each other surprisingly well.)

048 ARC Trooper (Continues Fives' story with a payoff from the beginning)

051-052 Hostage Crisis/Hunt for Ziro (051 is genuinely good, and 052 shows us Nal Hutta with a lot of other info - and it's catharsis if you suffered through the Theatrical Release all the way through!)

053-055 Peace arc (Shows how Palpatine is manipulating both sides of the war, as well as the elaborate means he takes to keep the war going)

056-058 Nightsisters arc (Early on the Nightsisters stuff seems dumb. But so much of it wraps up satisfyingly, and it's the beginning of Asajj's arc)

062-064 Citadel (Tarkin & Anakin bromance begins! Also other good stuff!)

065-066 Padawan Lost/Wookie Hunt (Skippable. But more good Ahsoka action and character development)

073 Darkness on Umbara (The first and last episode of this arc are really good. But the middle part just does nothing for the storyline.)

076 Carnage of Krell (as above)

080 a Friend In Need (wrapping some plot threads from earlier in the series together very nicely)

081-084 Deception arc (Skippable, but Snarki-Wan Kenobi at his best, more Cad Bane, and showcases more Palpatine manipulation)

085-088 Massacre (Continuing Dathomir/Asajj arc and finally bringing Maul into it... very important for later on.

089 War on Two Fronts (originally scrapped, now introduced because of Saw. But the middle two eps of the arc are just more "we're fighting a guerilla war, whoosh bang!" without much real advancement.)

092 Tipping Points (Wraps up guerilla war arc)

093-096 Jedi Muppet Baby Arc (Skippable, and a lot of people REALLY don't like it, but it has Hondo at his best, some nice Ahsoka action as well as showing how the Jedi Order gradually gives more responsibility to its padawans, and a bit of poignancy when you realize that all of the kids are dead in less than a year. This is their first - and last - adventure.)

101-104 Maul Arc (104 is one of THE BEST EPISODES of the Clone Wars. It has... just... everything. The other episodes are good, with lots of Snarki-Wan Kenobi, some Hondo, some good evil Jedi stuff, and wraps up Mandalore in a neat bow)

105-108 Ahsoka's arc (wraps up Ahsoka's role in TCW with a neat bow. We knew that Annie didn't have a padawan in Revenge, now we know how).

109-112 Conspiracy arc (wraps up Fives' story, and is a GREAT thriller in and of itself).

118 The Lost One (Gives more info on how exactly the clones were first set into motion, as well as the penultimate battle between Dooku and Anakin/Obi)

119-121 Yoda arc (just... a great ending. Watching these gives you such insight into Yoda's character...)

And lastly, the "I wouldn't watch them but there are some who might recommend them because TECHNICALLY they're canon..."

059-061 Mortis Arc (Skippable IMHO. Superpowerful Force gods (Light daughter, Dark son, Balance father) drag the core Jedi (Obi, Anakin, Ahsoka) to their homeworld and daddy asks Annie to take his place. It has some really good moments and visuals. But overall it adds nothing to the storyline and may as well have "Just been a dream" as well as introducing some VERY dumb ideas about the Force and what that stupid prophecy actually MEANT.)

Out of 125 episodes (counting the so-called 'theatrical release', I ended up with 70; the remaining 55 are just... mediocre to agonizing . Like, super painful.

Just gonna say it's nice that there's somebody who can honestly say, "The Clone Wars really wasn't as fantastic as people say it was".

Just gonna say it's nice that there's somebody who can honestly say, "The Clone Wars really wasn't as fantastic as people say it was".

I feel like I should revise the list a bit by marking the ones that should be watched because of some storyline element, and the ones that MUST be watched because they're actually GOOD.

The latter list, I think, is more in the range of about 30-40 episodes, a lot of which deal with the clones, some of which deal with Ahsoka, several of which showcase Palpatine's manipulation, and others are for better or worse based off the backs of a LOT of other episodes. Call it 35 to be generous.

And the ones that are bad are really, REALLY bad.

"Gulliver's Travels with R2 and 3P0? Are you HIGH - wait, stupid question, but pass it over man."

"Oh no, a mysterious bioengineered virus threatens to escape and kill everyone, and the first stop is Naboo and the Gungans? Are we supposed to be rooting for it? But who cares, Jar Jar's right there and he has to survive so everyone else will."

"Wait, wait, thanks for passing it, here ya go. I've got a great idea. We'll cross Godzilla... and King Kong... and have them bring the big invincible space monster to Coruscant so they can... uh... pass it back, dude, I need more inspiration..."

"Oh, wow, what if Jar Jar and Windu were sent to - stop laughing guys, I'm serious! - sent to investigate these kidnappings of a race that looks just close enough to Gungans that Jar Jar gets the hots for their kidnapped princess? And then we can put him in red overalls with a blue shirt and have him jump over barrels!"

And that's not even COUNTING all the "Jedi and clones fight on a planet that you kind of know the name of from the Extended Universe but you don't care if they win or lose because the stakes are meaningless: We already know the Separatists and the Jedi lose."

Despite it SEEMING like a show about war, there's no suspense in the actual fighting. There's little point in gassing on about "Oooh, will Anakin survive this perilous circumstance" because we KNOW he does.

Where the Clone Wars shines is character and world-building, though there are more than a few good action-oriented episodes. Those episodes are amazing, and almost - but not quite! - worth suffering through all the rest.

Just gonna say it's nice that there's somebody who can honestly say, "The Clone Wars really wasn't as fantastic as people say it was".

I think the Clone Wars show is just extreme. When it's bad, it's bad! but when it's good, it's good!

Im not going to completely bash the Clone Wars as there are many fantastic elements to it. However it destroyed Greivous as a character and that still pisses me off.

I also hate that they changed the Clone and Jedi relationship from the EU and made Order 66 an involuntary thing. In the EU certain Jedi such as Obi Wan and Anakin were decent and kind to their clones however most Jedi werent.The Jedi are neant to be detatched and as a result many made no connection to their clones and considered them as only slightly less expendable then the droids they were fighting.

Finally the Clone Wars tried but couod have done more to portray the Seperatists as merely those legitimitely opposed to the Republic's corruption rather then just "bad guys". The Seperatists had really good reasons to split off and were basically the proto rebels.

What I found cool though is that Rebels fonfirms if the war had not been rigged from the begining the Seperatists would have won the war hy sheer weight of numbers.

Just gonna say it's nice that there's somebody who can honestly say, "The Clone Wars really wasn't as fantastic as people say it was".

While this statement is true, it still one of the best star wars that there is. ;-)

I also hate that they changed the Clone and Jedi relationship from the EU and made Order 66 an involuntary thing. In the EU certain Jedi such as Obi Wan and Anakin were decent and kind to their clones however most Jedi werent.The Jedi are neant to be detatched and as a result many made no connection to their clones and considered them as only slightly less expendable then thebdroids they were fighting.

Finally the Clone Wars tried but couod have done more to portray the Seperatists as merely those legitimitely opposed to the Republic's corruption rather then just "bad guys". The Seperatists had really good reasons to split off and were basically the proto rebels.

What I found cool though is that Rebels fonfirms if the war had not been rigged from the begining the Seperatists would have won the war hy sheer weight of numbers.

Technical the very episode that shows that you disliked about the change to order 66 shows how the jedi in general did not connected with the clone troopers and disregarded their lives. They might have increased the expectations, but that is actually a good thing, over 30,000 jedis, plenty enough to have more Anakin and Obi-Wans. Remember, Pong Krell was a jedi master with a better reputation among the jedi than even Anakin and Obi-Wan.

And Grievous was awesome in The Clone Wars too, he just did not get as many moments to shine as he got in Clone Wars. Lair of Grievous comes to mind, Kid Fisto is one of the more combat savy council members and yet Grievous can deal with his expedition force on his own. Grievous opponents during Clone Wars lacked combat prowess iirc.

Im not going to completely bash the Clone Wars as there are many fantastic elements to it. However it destroyed Greivous as a character and that still pisses me off.

I also hate that they changed the Clone and Jedi relationship from the EU and made Order 66 an involuntary thing. In the EU certain Jedi such as Obi Wan and Anakin were decent and kind to their clones however most Jedi werent.The Jedi are neant to be detatched and as a result many made no connection to their clones and considered them as only slightly less expendable then the droids they were fighting.

Finally the Clone Wars tried but couod have done more to portray the Seperatists as merely those legitimitely opposed to the Republic's corruption rather then just "bad guys". The Seperatists had really good reasons to split off and were basically the proto rebels.

What I found cool though is that Rebels fonfirms if the war had not been rigged from the begining the Seperatists would have won the war hy sheer weight of numbers.

Totally agree about Greivous. He was so awesome in tartakovsky's Clone Wars.

there were defiantly parts of the clone wars that were great but in general i thin rebels is a much better series

Watching TCW cartoon is having a detrimental effect on my opinion of Rebels. Clone Wars episodes are so diluted for their child oriented audience that it's unbearable. I'm hating the art style, two-dimensional characters and plot progression, and everyone's obliviousness to everything. Skipping ahead to the much nicer looking later episodes didn't help. The melodrama is painful to watch, especially regarding the Mandalorians and Darth Maul. A train full of juvenile bounty hunters is also ridiculous; who thought that was a good idea?

I switch back to Rebels and I see a double episode with Saw where half the plot points are explained as necessary by self-imposed restrictions instead of anything remotely resembling an organic chain of events. There's still more clone wars imagery than ANH content, and that's frustrating when TCW leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

As I'm writing this, I still feel confident that Rebels is intrinsically superior to TCW, but waiting 1 to 4 weeks for a new episode is my issue. Season 1 was bland but picked up enough to keep me going. Season two had some really stellar episodes (particularly the beginning and end), despite the helicopter lightsabers. Season 3 has been painful to watch, with what seems like tons of pointless filler - not character building. We've had two seasons of that already, and with a blinded Kanan, I actually want character development. Instead of meaningful struggle of a barely-Jedi now crippled while fighting for the morality of his Padawan, we get blunt, externalized conversations with a giant, British, mammoth Yoda. Then, there's the literal TCW finale episode with all of the baggage and low-level excitement of the show it's celebrating.

Maybe if I could watch all of Rebels back to back, like I did the first two seasons, I would be able to dismiss the weak elements and appreciate the strong. Otherwise, I'm left disappointed having waited to see something that feels very clearly targeted to children. Not that children's shows are inherently bad - Lego Freemakers targets a younger audience, but that show very clearly throws in tons of content intended for the the older, die hard Star Wars fanatics. As an adult, I feel like more of an intended audience age group watching Freemakers then I do with Rebels!

I think I'm just going to stop watching Rebels until the season concludes, and then, when binging, I'll be able to enjoy the overarching story while unconsciously dismissing all of the negative elements that bother me now.

there were defiantly parts of the clone wars that were great but in general i thin rebels is a much better series

I tend to agree, mostly because of a more focused story.