I thought Grievous wiped the Night Sisters other than Ventris out in the Clone Wars series.

Yes that is true but

Shame. I hope they have some kind of resurgence.

Hmm. I didn't know the Nightsisters were actually wiped out in Grievous' attack. I thought just a bunch of them died.

Unlike the Sith, the Nightsisters do not have something like the rule of two. All a writer needs to do is detail a scene where the Elders sent a group of Nightsisters away prior to Grievous' attack with a reserve of lore, wait a few years to rebuild their numbers while in hiding and *poof!*, new group of Nightsisters.

Unlike the Sith, the Nightsisters do not have something like the rule of two. All a writer needs to do is detail a scene where the Elders sent a group of Nightsisters away prior to Grievous' attack with a reserve of lore, wait a few years to rebuild their numbers while in hiding and *poof!*, new group of Nightsisters.

That or some poor adventurers/smugglars/pirates go to Dathomir to steal some items only to end up possessed by the spirits of any night sisters that still remain.

Unlike the Sith, the Nightsisters do not have something like the rule of two. All a writer needs to do is detail a scene where the Elders sent a group of Nightsisters away prior to Grievous' attack with a reserve of lore, wait a few years to rebuild their numbers while in hiding and *poof!*, new group of Nightsisters.

I think the current writers quite like the ghosts of the Nightsisters: the galaxy is no longer full of force users but it's littered with their relics.

To be fair if they wanted to put in an old school Sith Empire complete with Pure Blood Sith all they would need to do would be to put it's home world somewhere in the unexplored regions and say it was where the Pure Bloods migrated into the galaxy from or fled to and bingo, no more naff rule if two. The Night Sisters are unlikely to be cropping up as anything more than ghosts right now.

Shame. I hope they have some kind of resurgence.

Although we have Ventress as a pilot in X-wing, so maybe something happens. The Bendu, or Palpatine, or maul with some more funky voodoo nightsister magic... or maybe not. But would still be neat.

The nightsisters have pet rancors. That alone should make them immune to being wiped out.

Creators couldn't properly finish Ashoka because of audience. Behind the scenes, we know Dave Filoni wanted Vader to impale Ashoka and make her death up close and personal to her former master. Again: audience. Kanan's final fate (if he is permitted to have one) will be similarly limited by audience.

That was a disappointment IMHO. Much as I enjoyed seeing Ahsoka again in Rebels, I think her arc was complete. Having her tiptoe away at the end of season 2 to an unknown fate seems like a sad anti-climax for the character.

Yes this is a kids' show but Star Wars has plenty of heroes sacrificing themselves in various episodes. I think they could have afforded to let Vader kill Ahsoka as it would have been a meaningful death (unlike those poor Phoenix squadron pilots) without killing off one of the Ghost crew.

Still, that boat has sailed.

Creators couldn't properly finish Ashoka because of audience. Behind the scenes, we know Dave Filoni wanted Vader to impale Ashoka and make her death up close and personal to her former master. Again: audience. Kanan's final fate (if he is permitted to have one) will be similarly limited by audience.

That was a disappointment IMHO. Much as I enjoyed seeing Ahsoka again in Rebels, I think her arc was complete. Having her tiptoe away at the end of season 2 to an unknown fate seems like a sad anti-climax for the character.

Yes this is a kids' show but Star Wars has plenty of heroes sacrificing themselves in various episodes. I think they could have afforded to let Vader kill Ahsoka as it would have been a meaningful death (unlike those poor Phoenix squadron pilots) without killing off one of the Ghost crew.

Still, that boat has sailed.

I'd just cut the scene with her in the tunnel: her death works fine without that. Rebels is mostly from Ezra's perspective and only Vader sees what happens.

The nightsisters have pet rancors. That alone should make them immune to being wiped out.

Sadly, I doubt that's the case anymore. They didn't have any rancors in TCW, and now they're gone.

The nightsisters have pet rancors. That alone should make them immune to being wiped out.

Sadly, I doubt that's the case anymore. They didn't have any rancors in TCW, and now they're gone.

Maybe after the resurge from nowhere (like a group that went into hiding), they'll start adopting rancors for this very reason.

Creators couldn't properly finish Ashoka because of audience. Behind the scenes, we know Dave Filoni wanted Vader to impale Ashoka and make her death up close and personal to her former master. Again: audience. Kanan's final fate (if he is permitted to have one) will be similarly limited by audience.

That was a disappointment IMHO. Much as I enjoyed seeing Ahsoka again in Rebels, I think her arc was complete. Having her tiptoe away at the end of season 2 to an unknown fate seems like a sad anti-climax for the character.

Yes this is a kids' show but Star Wars has plenty of heroes sacrificing themselves in various episodes. I think they could have afforded to let Vader kill Ahsoka as it would have been a meaningful death (unlike those poor Phoenix squadron pilots) without killing off one of the Ghost crew.

Still, that boat has sailed.

I'd just cut the scene with her in the tunnel: her death works fine without that. Rebels is mostly from Ezra's perspective and only Vader sees what happens.

Yeah, that was the thing that really confused me. You didn't have to show her getting impaled (although I would have preferred that, to show just HOW irredeemable Vader was)...just don't show her walking away unharmed was all that they needed to do. Show the scene with the fight in the temple, show Vader flying away later. Adults know what happened, kids can be afraid for her without having to have seen a favorite character die.

The 'walking away into the tunnel', though...good gods , what a lame ending for the character...

Creators couldn't properly finish Ashoka because of audience. Behind the scenes, we know Dave Filoni wanted Vader to impale Ashoka and make her death up close and personal to her former master. Again: audience. Kanan's final fate (if he is permitted to have one) will be similarly limited by audience.

That was a disappointment IMHO. Much as I enjoyed seeing Ahsoka again in Rebels, I think her arc was complete. Having her tiptoe away at the end of season 2 to an unknown fate seems like a sad anti-climax for the character.

Yes this is a kids' show but Star Wars has plenty of heroes sacrificing themselves in various episodes. I think they could have afforded to let Vader kill Ahsoka as it would have been a meaningful death (unlike those poor Phoenix squadron pilots) without killing off one of the Ghost crew.

Still, that boat has sailed.

I'd just cut the scene with her in the tunnel: her death works fine without that. Rebels is mostly from Ezra's perspective and only Vader sees what happens.

Yeah, that was the thing that really confused me. You didn't have to show her getting impaled (although I would have preferred that, to show just HOW irredeemable Vader was)...just don't show her walking away unharmed was all that they needed to do. Show the scene with the fight in the temple, show Vader flying away later. Adults know what happened, kids can be afraid for her without having to have seen a favorite character die.

The 'walking away into the tunnel', though...good gods , what a lame ending for the character...

Oh well, who knows what is planned for her. She might even return as villain, broken by Vader and adopted as a hidden aprentice, very old EU like. Thats someone who could have a huge impact on the rebels crew!

Will we get a Rebel Kallus now, know that we know Fulcrum = Kallus?

I think they should just errata his card to say Imperial or Rebel only. He'd be good on a Falcon or Ghost.

Will we get a Rebel Kallus now, know that we know Fulcrum = Kallus?

He's still in the Imperial ranks despite feeding the Rebels information. We don't know if he'll survive to join the Rebels outright.

Creators couldn't properly finish Ashoka because of audience. Behind the scenes, we know Dave Filoni wanted Vader to impale Ashoka and make her death up close and personal to her former master. Again: audience. Kanan's final fate (if he is permitted to have one) will be similarly limited by audience.

That was a disappointment IMHO. Much as I enjoyed seeing Ahsoka again in Rebels, I think her arc was complete. Having her tiptoe away at the end of season 2 to an unknown fate seems like a sad anti-climax for the character.

Yes this is a kids' show but Star Wars has plenty of heroes sacrificing themselves in various episodes. I think they could have afforded to let Vader kill Ahsoka as it would have been a meaningful death (unlike those poor Phoenix squadron pilots) without killing off one of the Ghost crew.

Still, that boat has sailed.

I'd just cut the scene with her in the tunnel: her death works fine without that. Rebels is mostly from Ezra's perspective and only Vader sees what happens.

Yeah, that was the thing that really confused me. You didn't have to show her getting impaled (although I would have preferred that, to show just HOW irredeemable Vader was)...just don't show her walking away unharmed was all that they needed to do. Show the scene with the fight in the temple, show Vader flying away later. Adults know what happened, kids can be afraid for her without having to have seen a favorite character die.

The 'walking away into the tunnel', though...good gods , what a lame ending for the character...

Filoni himself said that wasn't her end. That, would be somewhere else.

Filoni himself said that wasn't her end. That, would be somewhere else.

Can you cite a source? In every interview I've seen, Filoni has been sly and noncomittal on the subject of Ashoka.

I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead until someone can make an argument for her survival that is either:

1. Published canon.

2. Credible behind-the-scenes material

3. A believable fan theory. Such a theory must honor the character, and have relevant thematic support in canonical sources.

Creators couldn't properly finish Ashoka because of audience. Behind the scenes, we know Dave Filoni wanted Vader to impale Ashoka and make her death up close and personal to her former master. Again: audience. Kanan's final fate (if he is permitted to have one) will be similarly limited by audience.

That was a disappointment IMHO. Much as I enjoyed seeing Ahsoka again in Rebels, I think her arc was complete. Having her tiptoe away at the end of season 2 to an unknown fate seems like a sad anti-climax for the character.

Yes this is a kids' show but Star Wars has plenty of heroes sacrificing themselves in various episodes. I think they could have afforded to let Vader kill Ahsoka as it would have been a meaningful death (unlike those poor Phoenix squadron pilots) without killing off one of the Ghost crew.

Still, that boat has sailed.

I'd just cut the scene with her in the tunnel: her death works fine without that. Rebels is mostly from Ezra's perspective and only Vader sees what happens.

Yeah, that was the thing that really confused me. You didn't have to show her getting impaled (although I would have preferred that, to show just HOW irredeemable Vader was)...just don't show her walking away unharmed was all that they needed to do. Show the scene with the fight in the temple, show Vader flying away later. Adults know what happened, kids can be afraid for her without having to have seen a favorite character die.

The 'walking away into the tunnel', though...good gods , what a lame ending for the character...

Oh well, who knows what is planned for her. She might even return as villain, broken by Vader and adopted as a hidden aprentice, very old EU like. Thats someone who could have a huge impact on the rebels crew!

I'd be down for evil Ashoka. A little yellow in the eyes, a little ripping and dirt in the clothes, maybe a facial scar type thing like a scratched lip or missing lekku, but keep the sabers white.

It would explain why Vader spared her, it would explain why she didn't return to the rebels, it would fit well with her walking into the darkness in the final scene, it would extend her shelf life as a character.

(She survives because the temple thingy explodes while they're still fighting under the dome and either throws them apart in the blast, or something. I'm betting that's the textbook explanation.)

I think her turning evil is more interesting and kind of subverts the redemption factor; characters that are "redeemed" typically don't relapse in fiction, though this is often the case in real life.

I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead until someone can make an argument for her survival that is either:

1. Published canon.

2. Credible behind-the-scenes material

3. A believable fan theory. Such a theory must honor the character, and have relevant thematic support in canonical sources.

I've got one for published canon: the ending scenes of Twilight of the Apprentice.

She's shown to be alive on Malachor.

As for if she can get off Malachor, Vader does and his fighter was closer to the explosion than the two remaining TIE/v1s (Maul takes one of them).

Filoni himself said that wasn't her end. That, would be somewhere else.

Can you cite a source? In every interview I've seen, Filoni has been sly and noncomittal on the subject of Ashoka.

I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead until someone can make an argument for her survival that is either:

1. Published canon.

2. Credible behind-the-scenes material

3. A believable fan theory. Such a theory must honor the character, and have relevant thematic support in canonical sources.

Judging by what you've said there, nothing I could possibly say will ever sway you.

But yeah, one of the episodes of Rebels Recon.

Rebels Recon for Twilight of the Apprentice:

"Whether she's alive or whether she's not..." - Ashley Eckstein at minute 4:38

Ashoka's Untold Tales from Star Wars Celebration:

-Part V: The Duel (43:44)

-Ashoka Lives? (47:52)

--Dave Filoni "What does that mean?" (49:20)

Dave Filoni is smug in his ambiguity. He never says Ashoka lives, and he repeatedly emphasizes the use of symbolism. A shaded figure of Ashoka dissappearing into a tunnel is not proof of life.

Does anyone else care to cite their source? This is not my hill to die on. I'll admit I'm wrong if anyone can present something more concrete.

Rebels Recon for Twilight of the Apprentice:

"Whether she's alive or whether she's not..." - Ashley Eckstein at minute 4:38

Ashoka's Untold Tales from Star Wars Celebration:

-Part V: The Duel (43:44)

-Ashoka Lives? (47:52)

--Dave Filoni "What does that mean?" (49:20)

Dave Filoni is smug in his ambiguity. He never says Ashoka lives, and he repeatedly emphasizes the use of symbolism. A shaded figure of Ashoka dissappearing into a tunnel is not proof of life.

Does anyone else care to cite their source? This is not my hill to die on. I'll admit I'm wrong if anyone can present something more concrete.

Filoni downright said that he might use Ahsoka in a later season of rebels again.

Here your fan theory on top: Ahsoka said she would not leave Anakin again, Anakin is looking for an apprentice to defeat his master and someone has to found the knights of ren, someone with more experience than Luke has when the Knights attack the Jedi academy they do have plenty of more trained force wielders to cleanse the whole academy. This opens as well a path for Kanan and Ezra following the grey path and abandoning the ways of the Jedi and joining Ahsoka's and Vader's new secret order.

TCW and the prequel movies were already full of stories how the Sih try to outsmart their masters and break the rule of two, This would be just another attempt to deceive the master deceiver and mirroring both movie trilogy on top as both show how eager Sidious and his apprentice are to get a powerful apprentice to replace each other. Sidious is always on the look for more powerful apprentices while his apprentice are always looking for ways to overpower their master. Anakin was never someone to follow to rules, breaking the rule of two would not be out of character of him. Committing atrocities because he believes it is the only way to defeat Darth Sidious is not out of character either … actually it fits his TCW development just nicely and is as well in line with the shallow characterisation of AotC and RotS.

/end silly fan theory ^-^