I watched The Last Battle again and realized something when Rex was talking about his programing and how it was broken in a very few Clone Troopers. I think it was a nod to the Season 2 Clone Wars episode The Deserter. In that episode Rex is wounded by a Commando Droid sniper team and is left with a family whos father is a Clone that deserted the GAR after the First Battle of Geonosis. It's one of my favorite episodes of the series and puts a different light on the Clones.

That, and the early arc of the 6th season which released online

I watched The Last Battle again and realized something when Rex was talking about his programing and how it was broken in a very few Clone Troopers. I think it was a nod to the Season 2 Clone Wars episode The Deserter. In that episode Rex is wounded by a Commando Droid sniper team and is left with a family whos father is a Clone that deserted the GAR after the First Battle of Geonosis. It's one of my favorite episodes of the series and puts a different light on the Clones.

That, and the early arc of the 6th season which released online

Was that the Bad Batch arc? Man I would've loved to see that as a finished product. Speaking of that, I wonder what happened to Echo (no, not the Phantom pilot)?

Speaking of that, I wonder what happened to Echo (no, not the Phantom pilot)?

He dead .

Random thought, RE: Cody's name drop in this episode.

Cody hasn't died yet, has he? Given how close he and Rex were during the Clone Wars (being Anakin's and Obi-Wan's Clone liaison point, effectively)...I wonder. Rex even made a point in an earlier episode that a lot of the protocols he and Cody came up with were 'still in use' in the Empire, right?

If there was one person who would see the connection and dig Cody up out of whatever sort of retirement he might be in to fight Rex...that'd be Thrawn...

I remember seeing this on the card a while ago, but you do know that the rebel ships in the Predator card are all Alliance-retrofits of Separatist ships? Look at the big art, you know it to be true!

I remember seeing this on the card a while ago, but you do know that the rebel ships in the Predator card are all Alliance-retrofits of Separatist ships? Look at the big art, you know it to be true!

Oh believe me, I noticed that Recusant before anything else.

This REBELs show basically cemented that the clone army and the seperatist droid in the galactic area are on the same side and enemies of the empire.

Unless there were a lot of Droid commanders that countermanded the shut-down order, that's not going to mean much. Kalani and a handful of battle droids hardly qualifies as adding the Droid Army to the Rebellion.

The only way I can see it being feasible is if there are droid armies that were put into storage after being shut down instead of being scrapped, and Kalani reactivates those forces.

Which is unlikely as the imperial standard procedure when encountering battle droids and other remnants of the separatist army is to shoot them, as seen in this very episode. They were not surprised to see the droids and had a clear procedure to deal with them. So no droids in storage and most left overs are destroyed by now.

The Republic hadn't known war in so long, there wasn't anyone equipped to fight in one, let alone to train soldiers to do so.

Then who trained the clones?

The Republic did have combat experience: even without a full scale war the galaxy remained a dangerous place. Sectors had their own defence fleets and the Republic had the Judicial Forces. Many of the Republic's naval command staff (such as Admiral Yularen) weren't clones. They were fully capable of making a conventional standing army and the political conflict at the start of AotC was over whether they should: one argument was that the Republic needed to defend itself, the other was that making an army would be seen as a provocation and become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Mercs, bounty-hunters, mandalorian like Jango Fett and later Jedi. Those were the main sources for trainers for the clones. You are right on the provocation part, the republic functioned like the UN, independent member states had their own standing militaries and naval forces, thus eliminating the need for a republic military. Another part which make the clones and droids convenient is that the clone wars were a war without many civilian casualties. Outside of the occasional war crime, most casualties were limited to clones and droids, considered by the galactic public as non-human and disposable. Drafting an galatic wide army was unthinkable militaristic, not even the separatist even thought about that option.

Keep in mind that just 5.000.000 clone troopers was a big thing for the republic, cost-wise, but as well in terms of military power. And that on a planet which has a population measured in trillions and for a galaxy-wide conflict, which was mostly fought in the backwater worlds of the galaxy. I don't think we see a single ground conflict on a core-world. The closest thing to that was the battle of coruscant in space which did not even concerned most of coruscant's citizens. We have here literally a "Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come!" scenario in many regards. Sure alien words suffer, planets on the rim like MonCal or Ryloth suffer civilian casualties, but not the overcrowded and rich core worlds, they never cared about the rim before the war either. They have their planetary shields and are basically immune to the cruelty of the wars. Makes it easy to vote in the senate for non-diplomatic solutions too. Overall the conflict of the clone wars seems to have been much, much smaller than you would expect from a galactic war. Maybe even smaller then the following galactic civil war which involved the mobilization and whole planets for the war cause.

Great episode!

I saw people sometimes here wanting the Separatists as a sub-faction of the Empire, or "refurbished" droid ships for the Empire, but always thought the remainings of the Separatists are much closer with the Rebellion than with the Empire... I could see "Alliance Overhaul" droid ships, but never droid ships in the Empire. This episode confirmed what I thought.

Speaking of that, I wonder what happened to Echo (no, not the Phantom pilot)?

He dead .

Try switching it to 'Canon'. He was last seen alive as a super powered cyborg.

Which is unlikely as the imperial standard procedure when encountering battle droids and other remnants of the separatist army is to shoot them, as seen in this very episode. They were not surprised to see the droids and had a clear procedure to deal with them. So no droids in storage and most left overs are destroyed by now.

I saw people sometimes here wanting the Separatists as a sub-faction of the Empire, or "refurbished" droid ships for the Empire

Try switching it to 'Canon'. He was last seen alive as a super powered cyborg.

The unfinished episodes that have been released are canon.

The unfinished episodes that have been released are canon.

Yup the episodes are voiced and up on Starwars.com, they are even counted on the official Clone Wars timeline along with the books like Dark Disciple.

Yup, the Bad Batch, another group of Clones that could possible show up as deserters.

Random thought, RE: Cody's name drop in this episode.

Cody hasn't died yet, has he? Given how close he and Rex were during the Clone Wars (being Anakin's and Obi-Wan's Clone liaison point, effectively)...I wonder. Rex even made a point in an earlier episode that a lot of the protocols he and Cody came up with were 'still in use' in the Empire, right?

If there was one person who would see the connection and dig Cody up out of whatever sort of retirement he might be in to fight Rex...that'd be Thrawn...

According to Wookeepedia, Canon Cody is still serving the Empire but doesn't give any details on what he's doing. Legends Cody is helping train new recruits on Kamino and elsewhere but is not very happy with the quality, or lack there of, of the troops he's training.

Random thought, RE: Cody's name drop in this episode.

Cody hasn't died yet, has he? Given how close he and Rex were during the Clone Wars (being Anakin's and Obi-Wan's Clone liaison point, effectively)...I wonder. Rex even made a point in an earlier episode that a lot of the protocols he and Cody came up with were 'still in use' in the Empire, right?

If there was one person who would see the connection and dig Cody up out of whatever sort of retirement he might be in to fight Rex...that'd be Thrawn...

According to Wookeepedia, Canon Cody is still serving the Empire but doesn't give any details on what he's doing. Legends Cody is helping train new recruits on Kamino and elsewhere but is not very happy with the quality, or lack there of, of the troops he's training.

Yup, in legends, Cody hated conscripts, and was resentful at the Empire for replacing clones with them.

As I look at my rebel Armada fleet i've come to realize how amazingly well separatist ships such as the Recusant fit into the design theme of the Rebel Alliance.

As I look at my rebel Armada fleet i've come to realize how amazingly well separatist ships such as the Recusant fit into the design theme of the Rebel Alliance.

Yeah, looks like Recusant and Providence-class ships in that 'Predator' art - nice looking designs, although I like the Munificent-class the best of their designs. All of those would definitely look right at home in a Rebel fleet.

(Now the Lucrehulks...I don't dislike the design, per se, but the things are MASSIVE. Looks more like a base of some kind than a ship...)

I remember seeing this on the card a while ago, but you do know that the rebel ships in the Predator card are all Alliance-retrofits of Separatist ships? Look at the big art, you know it to be true!

Oh believe me, I noticed that Recusant before anything else.

Not only does the Predator art show an awesome Rebellion retrofitted Recusant -class destroyer (two even, because I think the ship at the bottom left of the pilot's viewport is the front of another Recusant ) and a Rebellion Providence -class (possibly the Rebel One given the alteration of the back half), but I also believe that in the ship in front of the Providence -class is an Imperial Venator -class Star Destroyer.

Just nice touches that are cool to see.

Sheathipede here we come.

Yup, the Bad Batch, another group of Clones that could possible show up as deserters.

The creators of Marvel's Star Wars suggested a connection between Bad Batch and their special Storm Troopers. Not sure how deep this connection goes.

So I finally got around to watching "The Last Battle" today and I have to say I was really pleased with it. I thought it was just going to be a Clone Wars throwback episode where the characters of Rebels could face off against battle droids for the fun of it, but thankfully that was not the case. We finally get a sort of conclusion to the Clone Wars, both the actual war and the television series. And the use of the Clone Wars music during the episode and the end credits made me smile. A much better episode than I thought it was going to be.

Also, the encounter where the battle droids met the stormtroopers felt like an allegory for how the Original Trilogy fans treat those who are fans of the Prequel Trilogy.

I remember seeing this on the card a while ago, but you do know that the rebel ships in the Predator card are all Alliance-retrofits of Separatist ships? Look at the big art, you know it to be true!

Oh believe me, I noticed that Recusant before anything else.

Not only does the Predator art show an awesome Rebellion retrofitted Recusant -class destroyer (two even, because I think the ship at the bottom left of the pilot's viewport is the front of another Recusant ) and a Rebellion Providence -class (possibly the Rebel One given the alteration of the back half), but I also believe that in the ship in front of the Providence -class is an Imperial Venator -class Star Destroyer.

Just nice touches that are cool to see.

Yessiree.

It said in Legends that a lot of the captains of Confederate ships flew out past the reach of the Empire after the war and became pirates or mercenaries. And there are quite a few Canon confirmed Seppy-style ships at Endor so theorycraft away!

Sheathipede here we come.

They called it Sheathipede, but it's clearly smaller than the old one:

But Rebels screws with the dimensions of every ship. ISD's necks, Tie's wings. I think it's safe to assume it's their bizarre artistic license, and that it's one in the same.