So Lego is releasing a model of the phantom 2.0, the separatist shuttle, and it's got the astromech outlet thing on top for Chopper.

Wave 11 astromech Chopper should have a Fel's Wrath type effect.

Wave 11 Phantom II Expansion Guesses:

- Another ship for Sabine to pilot

- Chopper Astromech

- Phantom II title to maybe give it functionality with the Ghost? (Not sure about this since FFG likes to have everything in the expansion be all you need to field that ship.)

- Phantom II title to maybe give it functionality with the Ghost? (Not sure about this since FFG likes to have everything in the expansion be all you need to field that ship.)

The episode had me at "Who's Roger?"

Has anyone read the short comics in the Star Wars Rebels Magazine?

They might be canon.

I think just as the ARC-170 got "overhauled" I think the same could happen for more of the clonewars ships. This REBELs show basically cemented that the clone army and the seperatist droid in the galactic area are on the same side and enemies of the empire...but it will depend on the future story arc of the REBELs Show.

This REBELs show basically cemented that the clone army and the seperatist droid in the galactic area are on the same side and enemies of the empire...

Only three clones. The rest still have the biochips to ensure their loyalty.

This REBELs show basically cemented that the clone army and the seperatist droid in the galactic area are on the same side and enemies of the empire...

Only three clones. The rest still have the biochips to ensure their loyalty.

Source?

They carried out order 66 then got folded into the new Imperial Navy from what I remember from the Republic comic series.

Man, I didn't even notice the end credits were different till everyone here was raving about it. I think I'm just so used to hearing that at the end of an episode that I didn't even notice anything out of the ordinary about it.Anyway, incoming Sheathipede shuttles in wave 11...At least it'll give the Ghost a cool shark fin when it's docked.

This REBELs show basically cemented that the clone army and the seperatist droid in the galactic area are on the same side and enemies of the empire.

The only way I can see it being feasible is if there are droid armies that were put into storage after being shut down instead of being scrapped, and Kalani reactivates those forces.

It's very possible there are other groups, remember what the stormtrooper said when they encountered the droids.

I imagine the separatists had a lot of droids in their armies. Despite the advanced technology of SW a galaxy wide transmission, even a sophisticated one, could never reach every outpost, base, or fleet. There would be too many spatial anomalies breaking or degrading the signal. However as we saw in this episode unless maintained they aren't that much of a threat.

Would be perfect for a book in the EU. The Imperials probably had to do a lot of clean up work in the early years of the Empire as somebody had to make sure the transmission carried through. Also warships couldn't be just left around floating through space for possible insurgents or rebels to repurpose. I would bet the Empire had to salvage the bulk of the separatist fleet and dispose them.

I imagine the separatists had a lot of droids in their armies. Despite the advanced technology of SW a galaxy wide transmission, even a sophisticated one, could never reach every outpost, base, or fleet. There would be too many spatial anomalies breaking or degrading the signal. However as we saw in this episode unless maintained they aren't that much of a threat.

Would be perfect for a book in the EU. The Imperials probably had to do a lot of clean up work in the early years of the Empire as somebody had to make sure the transmission carried through. Also warships couldn't be just left around floating through space for possible insurgents or rebels to repurpose. I would bet the Empire had to salvage the bulk of the separatist fleet and dispose them.

Found the clip, listen to what he says at around 28 seconds.. It's obvious that this is not a unique situation and he has dealt with functioning droids before.

https://youtu.be/8oEdeEMJ_XY

- Phantom II title to maybe give it functionality with the Ghost? (Not sure about this since FFG likes to have everything in the expansion be all you need to field that ship.)

You're assuming they won't package the Phantom II in an Aces box with the Ghost. You poor naive fool...

Just the new shuttle? No sorry. They'll come out with the shuttle first. Theno a new ghost version 2 like the falcon.

I wonder how many GMs of FFG's Star Wars RPGs use episodes of Rebels as ideas for their games? Every time I watch an episode I'm thinking what a great situation that would be to run a group in.

As a former MCH from SWG, I now want a Blerg. Also, now I randomly miss my Humbaba

Thrawn had plot armor against Ezra using force powers on him. Repaid by not nuking them from orbit as they escaped.

Chopper + Explosives = YES!

And Chopper seems to have gotten over his Y-Wing thing. He'll be a real astromech yet!

Kanan and Cham getting along at the table with Hera. Season finale is gonna be a wedding!

Didn't get much history out of that trinket they were going after.. I was expecting a tapestry of some sort.

Couldn't be tapestries. It'd be too close.

Two rebels infiltrate the ancient castle of an evil empire art-collector posing as guests, and ask to view the Tapestries. They then get captured, find a secret command post in the basement, and exit lighting the entire place on fire. Stop me if you've heard this one.

"If you are a scout-trooper then I am Micky Mouse! "

Okay I don't recall. Any more hints? Naw just tell me

Any help with the reference?

That song brings back all the memories......

My episode had Disney XD promos over the end credits? Anyone have a clip of the credits with the music? Ugh!!

That song brings back all the memories......

My episode had Disney XD promos over the end credits? Anyone have a clip of the credits with the music? Ugh!!

Never mind - YouTube has several full episodes. Very nice homage at the end!

One example: https://youtu.be/G-l1BRVtIiI. Not sure how long they stay up.

This REBELs show basically cemented that the clone army and the seperatist droid in the galactic area are on the same side and enemies of the empire.

Unless there were a lot of Droid commanders that countermanded the shut-down order, that's not going to mean much. Kalani and a handful of battle droids hardly qualifies as adding the Droid Army to the Rebellion.

The only way I can see it being feasible is if there are droid armies that were put into storage after being shut down instead of being scrapped, and Kalani reactivates those forces.

There is no Clone Army any more. There are three survivors that weren't rolled into the Stormtrooper Corps. As for the Droid Army, understanding the state of it now requires understanding the state of it back in the Clone Wars.

The Empire doesn't use a Clone Army or a Droid Army, they recruit and train soldiers rather than manufacturing them. The same is true of every state that follows.

Why?

The answer is that neither a droid army nor a clone army are the most effective means of creating soldiers.

The soldiers of a Clone Army are conditioned and trained since birth and given their similarity it's very easy to design training regimens that suit them all. Given how deeply they understand each other they also have very strong unit cohesion. When Rex says the GAR was one of the finest armies in galactic history he had a point.

A Clone Army however is phenomenally expensive and it takes ten years to get new soldiers. The time and resources that go into creating it could create a vastly larger army of recruited soldiers in a few months rather than ten years. While the Clone Troopers are individually probably the best soldiers in Star Wars one standard clone trooper doesn't equal twenty Stormtroopers.

The reason the Republic builds a Clone Army is because it can be manufactured in secret: a conventional military buildup would not go unnoticed by the separatist movement. The Empire has no such need for secrecy and does not continue to make clones after the Kaminoan soldiers run out. It's been solidly established that Stormtroopers aren't the equal of Clone Troopers but the Empire has far, far more of them and can replace them much more quickly.

But if the Empire values numbers why not use a droid army? While there's probably an argument made for droid soldiers being a symbol of CIS atrocities (hence the even worse treatment of droids in the Imperial era) a droid army isn't practical either. Droid soldiers are the opposite philosophy to clone soldiers: they can be manufactured at an incredible rate and come fully trained but they also have critical, exploitable flaws.

The most practical way of building war droids is to build large numbers of cheap ones: you press the advantage of it. If you're building a much smaller number of droids that are the equal of a highly trained biological soldier you might as well train the biological soldier: you'll get similar or better results for a lower expenditure. There's a reason the CIS doesn't mass produce the commando droids in lieu of B1s and B2s. Battle droids may individually be very poor soldiers but they can be produced in such overwhelming numbers that it's not a problem. A Clone Trooper may be the equal of a hundred battle droids but the CIS simply manufactures 200.

This is why the CIS thought their ultimate victory was inevitable: as long as their industry held they would eventually defeat the Republic by attrition.

The droid army only worked because the galaxy hadn't known war on this scale for centuries: a droid army this large was a new threat. The Republic adapted technologically to exploit the weaknesses in the droid army: relatively early in the war they'd already developed EMP "droid popper" grenades that could take out squads of them at once and as the war went on they got better and better at exploiting the droid army's flaws such as their lack of creativity and adaptability. You know how after a while you get used to a video game's AI and learn to exploit its flaws? The same is true of the droid army. Much like horse cavalry the dominance of the droid army was eroded by technological advancements it fundamentally couldn't deal with. This was hammered home when taking CIS high command allowed the total shutdown of the entire Separatist military machine.

It's possible to get old CIS gear including their war machines back online and many groups of pirates probably did. The galaxy is still littered with abandoned CIS equipment. There are probably pockets of droid army resistance that failed to shut down and don't know the war is over. However, they don't pose a threat to the Empire because the Empire knows how to fight them. They have superior soldiers, superior technology and now they even have superior numbers. Even if the entire remaining Droid Army came back online the Empire would probably win fairly easily.

If Kalani joined the Rebels then the best he could contribute is himself. Even then, he'd be of limited use: he's a Clone Wars era battle simulator with Clone Wars era information: he's accustomed to commanding battle droids. Whatever he's gone off to do it'll be something he thinks improves the Rebellion's chances.

The droid army only worked because the galaxy hadn't known war on this scale for centuries: a droid army this large was a new threat.

Which is likely another reason the Republic went with clone troopers rather than recruits. The Republic hadn't known war in so long, there wasn't anyone equipped to fight in one, let alone to train soldiers to do so. Not in a time frame that would allow the Republic to stop the Separatists.

It's also likely the clone veterans were the first wave of officers and trainers for the recruited stormtroopers. Not actual uniformed command officers -- the Empire would never let a mere clone ascend to that rank -- but squad sergeants and the like.

The Republic hadn't known war in so long, there wasn't anyone equipped to fight in one, let alone to train soldiers to do so.

Then who trained the clones?

The Republic did have combat experience: even without a full scale war the galaxy remained a dangerous place. Sectors had their own defence fleets and the Republic had the Judicial Forces. Many of the Republic's naval command staff (such as Admiral Yularen) weren't clones. They were fully capable of making a conventional standing army and the political conflict at the start of AotC was over whether they should: one argument was that the Republic needed to defend itself, the other was that making an army would be seen as a provocation and become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It might take awhile to get the 'new' Phantom... but other than the chopped dorsal wing, shortened hull (probably) and Sabines' paint-job, I sure hope the rebels install a weapon. I assume it wont be as gnarly as the big ol' guns on Snowball 1 the first attack shuttle. I also wish it gets an astromech slot, since we X-wing players kinda missed-out after Quarrie plopped one in during season 2.

WAIT! SWX58 could be an Attack Shuttle 3-pack! All three different versions. Perfect.

The Republic hadn't known war in so long, there wasn't anyone equipped to fight in one, let alone to train soldiers to do so.

Then who trained the clones?

If you watched the Clone Wars series, they show who trains them. The Republic hired mercenaries to train the clones. They trained them right on kamino. Shak ti was the jedi incharge of training clone training.

If you watched the Clone Wars series, they show who trains them. The Republic hired mercenaries to train the clones. They trained them right on kamino. Shak ti was the jedi incharge of training clone training.

The Republic didn't hire anyone: they didn't know about the Clone Army before the war started. That's why the Kaminoans got mercenaries, Mandalorians, ex-Judicials and the like in: they needed people who could disappear to Kamino for ten years without being missed. The Jedi don't get involved with Kamino until after the start of the war.

The point I was making is that warfare isn't an alien concept to the Republic and those who live in it: if they wanted to build a conventional army they could have.