So...how about the show then? Getting a bit heavy in here.

I wrote a mostly spoiler-free review of the episode here - http://superdstuff.com/star-wars-rebels-the-holocrons-of-fate/.

Obviously I can go into more detail here.

I personally really liked the last episode. Good emotion, solid over all story, fun prophesy bit - nice nod.

I'm used to this reincarnation of the Doctor - it is a bit weird, but actually if you think of it in a Tom Baker as Doctor Who way, it really makes sense. Doctor Who has always been somewhat grey.

My only issue - those were some very stupid droids that Maul had.

So...how about the show then? Getting a bit heavy in here.

Last episode was pretty great, again, nice how there is no sign of slowing down, yet (although I am afraid they will after this one, next week might be a bit filler). Some things were a bit weird, but I liked the sense of urgency they conveied throughout all of this and how powerfull Maul can be.

Wait, next week is "The Antilles extraction" - thats no filler! Honestly can't wait.

I know, super excited to see Wedge, it would be nice if he had more appearances in the show aside from just this coming episode since we can always use more 'Wedge being awesome on screen goodness'. Not to mention from the episode preview this is the episode with the Tie Interceptors from the trailer so who knows we may end up getting Wedge and Fel, if so it will be even better.

So...how about the show then? Getting a bit heavy in here.

Last episode was pretty great, again, nice how there is no sign of slowing down, yet (although I am afraid they will after this one, next week might be a bit filler). Some things were a bit weird, but I liked the sense of urgency they conveied throughout all of this and how powerfull Maul can be.

Wait, next week is "The Antilles extraction" - thats no filler! Honestly can't wait.

I know, super excited to see Wedge, it would be nice if he had more appearances in the show aside from just this coming episode since we can always use more 'Wedge being awesome on screen goodness'. Not to mention from the episode preview this is the episode with the Tie Interceptors from the trailer so who knows we may end up getting Wedge and Fel, if so it will be even better.

Well, he is with the Dodonna cell that already got the Y-Wings, so he won't stay with us forever. Might stay a while, though! Maybe I finaly get my Incom deserts story that I have been speculating about since the dawn of time.

Sadly we're a week behind this side of the pond. Hearing Tom Baker as the Bendu was awesome. I grew up in his era of Doctor Who, and had resigned myself to the fact that his role as the Curator in the 50th aniversary episode a few years back was the last time I'd get to enjoy his work. Colour me happy to be wrong.

So, is the Empire evil? Yes. It says so right in the opening crawl of A New Hope. And literally nothing we've seen the Empire do suggests that they are otherwise. (The Galactic Empire is not Firefly's Union of Allied Planets, a monolithic government that does both great good and great harm. The Empire pretty much never does good.)

As someone else said...

I encounter civilians like you all the time. You believe the Empire is continually plotting to do harm. Let me tell you, your view of the Empire is far too dramatic. The Empire is a government. It keeps billions of beings fed and clothed. Day after day, year after year, on thousands of worlds, people live their lives under Imperial rule without seeing a stormtrooper or hearing a TIE fighter scream overhead.

Holy ****. You people are insane, you should see the doctor or attend a denazificacion class.

I think his theory is that what kind of fictional behaviour you defend, is an indication of what kind of behaviour you'll eventually end up defending/supporting in real life - and that the "We know it's not real when we defend it" argument doesn't hold much water in the long term.

My only issue - those were some very stupid droids that Maul had.

Agreed. They needed an illicit slot with a dead man's switch

Sadly we're a week behind this side of the pond. Hearing Tom Baker as the Bendu was awesome. I grew up in his era of Doctor Who, and had resigned myself to the fact that his role as the Curator in the 50th aniversary episode a few years back was the last time I'd get to enjoy his work. Colour me happy to be wrong.

UK? I'm also in the UK. Do you watch it on XD?

I have to say, I am really digging Ezra's haircut. I saw a clip from season 2, and his wacky hair almost made me cringe. We really put up with that hair for so long?

UK? I'm also in the UK. Do you watch it on XD?

Disney XD, yes. I watch it with my daughter before we go to her swimming lesson. She's obsessed with Sabine to the point that an FFG designer would weep for joy

Holy ****. You people are insane, you should see the doctor or attend a denazificacion class.

Is it really evil? It is so widespread accepted as part of the war on terror. 100 civilians are considered acceptable when a high ranking taliban, isis member or al qaeda member is a guest on wedding and a predator drone is in range for a bomb run.

There is a slight difference between killing to make an exmaple, which is evil as ****, ie deliberately targeting civilians (like Nazis and the Empire), and targeting insurgents and killing civilians as collateral damage. In the first case dead civilians is the intention, in the second case it's a negative side effect that is avoided when possible.

You don't see US soilders rounding up the whole population of a village in Afghanistan and murdering them because 50km away an IED destroyed a HMMWV. That's because the US is not evil.

You're right, they stopped doing that after Vietnam.

The wookies also actively aided Imperial fugitives and revolted several times so it's not as though the Empire just decided to do it.

LOL. It's not a reason good enough to enslave anyone let alone the whole planet. DO you even hear yourslef?

NO REASON IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR SLAVERY.

If you have a population that is continually posing problems then you need to deal with them. Slavery and blockades are probably more agreeable than Xenocide.

25 years pretty impressive considering the massive constraints they put on themselves. Not only is the leadership inept but the rank and file are as well. They put important factories on Outer Rim worlds, only bring in competent people to scare the rebels. The New Republic only manages to last about 30 years before it gets decapitated by the First Order, or in legends when the Vong show up, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, Fel Empire...

I don't talk about the sewage of the post RotJ Legends, but the Republic was attacked by the outside enemy and it doesn't suddenly disappear because the temporary capital is gone. The Empire fell appart because their own people were fed up with how evil it is.

The Empire fell apart because after Palpatine was dead there was no clear succession. He purposely pitted higher ranking Imperials against one another his entire reign to curb their power.

A single species out of over 20,000,000 species is less significant than a single city on earth. The empire has on a single planet more a 1000 times more population than the whole alien universe milky way (based on the 3 non-extinct species we see).

Enslaving the wookiee species,a species of trouble makers is less significant than gathering the japanese population in camps during WW2 in north america. Nuking hiroshima to end the war a few years earlier is killing more percent of earth's population then even destroying the whole alderaan sector would leave on the galactic population. Alderans about 3 billion citizens are equal to 0,3% population of imperial center. That literally just the capital. The 100,000 immediately dead people of hiroshima equal about 11% of the population of dc of that time. That's a difference of factor 38 in scale. The galactic empire works under the tarkin doctrine, assuming that if everyone is scared of the empire's power than no bloodshed nor waste of resources is necessary. It was clearly not working, but the basic concept is laid out exactly in that way. Fear will control the galaxy and establish order.

Under the reign of the empire wars are on a all-time low and the galaxy is indeed mostly at peace.

Though the firefly alliance at the other hand, not that is pure evil. There is no grew, the alliance is text book evil. Social control, manipulation, hidden slavery via the colonies, etc … textbook dystopian government.

Does it even need any comment?

You are a bad person and you should be ashamed of posts like this.

Do you not see the difference between a war between two countries (one of which was clearly to blame, Japanesse were the Nazis of the Pacific, complete with atrocities, war crimes, inhumane cruelty, and genocides, and they started the war) and murdering own people during a civil war that only goes on because the Empire is evil and does evil things? You realise that all that was needed to stop the Rebellion was Empire becoming less evil?

"Social control, manipulation, hidden slavery via the colonies" Empire does all of that, except that slavery isn't hidden.

You are a naive person and should be ashamed of posts like this. Japan was a warrior culture thrust into the modern world almost overnight. They awakened into a world where a country smaller than them controlled 70% percent of the planet. Two countries infinitely bigger than them right next door and another across the ocean. Imperialism was inevitable as was war. They made the first move but they hardly started it. Obviously that doesn't excuse the atrocities. I'm certain to my core that rebellion would have occurred no matter how pleasant the Empire became. You just can't please everybody.

Separatists most likely. Examples need to be made, just like with the Geonosians. Though Admittedly the geonosians seem far more dangerous than the Lasat. Even the sterilisation of their planet did not stop them …

No they don't unless you are evil and only fear holds your empire together.

If you have to do regular genocides every monday you are not ruling your country well.

25 years of rule, 52 genocides per year. That makes 1300 species (mostly) eradicated. That's actually pretty efficient.

See bold.

Holy ****. You people are insane, you should see the doctor or attend a denazificacion class.

Is it really evil? It is so widespread accepted as part of the war on terror. 100 civilians are considered acceptable when a high ranking taliban, isis member or al qaeda member is a guest on wedding and a predator drone is in range for a bomb run.

There is a slight difference between killing to make an exmaple, which is evil as ****, ie deliberately targeting civilians (like Nazis and the Empire), and targeting insurgents and killing civilians as collateral damage. In the first case dead civilians is the intention, in the second case it's a negative side effect that is avoided when possible.

You don't see US soilders rounding up the whole population of a village in Afghanistan and murdering them because 50km away an IED destroyed a HMMWV. That's because the US is not evil.

The wookies also actively aided Imperial fugitives and revolted several times so it's not as though the Empire just decided to do it.

LOL. It's not a reason good enough to enslave anyone let alone the whole planet. DO you even hear yourslef?

NO REASON IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR SLAVERY.

25 years pretty impressive considering the massive constraints they put on themselves. Not only is the leadership inept but the rank and file are as well. They put important factories on Outer Rim worlds, only bring in competent people to scare the rebels. The New Republic only manages to last about 30 years before it gets decapitated by the First Order, or in legends when the Vong show up, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, Fel Empire...

I don't talk about the sewage of the post RotJ Legends, but the Republic was attacked by the outside enemy and it doesn't suddenly disappear because the temporary capital is gone. The Empire fell appart because their own people were fed up with how evil it is.

A single species out of over 20,000,000 species is less significant than a single city on earth. The empire has on a single planet more a 1000 times more population than the whole alien universe milky way (based on the 3 non-extinct species we see).

Enslaving the wookiee species,a species of trouble makers is less significant than gathering the japanese population in camps during WW2 in north america. Nuking hiroshima to end the war a few years earlier is killing more percent of earth's population then even destroying the whole alderaan sector would leave on the galactic population. Alderans about 3 billion citizens are equal to 0,3% population of imperial center. That literally just the capital. The 100,000 immediately dead people of hiroshima equal about 11% of the population of dc of that time. That's a difference of factor 38 in scale. The galactic empire works under the tarkin doctrine, assuming that if everyone is scared of the empire's power than no bloodshed nor waste of resources is necessary. It was clearly not working, but the basic concept is laid out exactly in that way. Fear will control the galaxy and establish order.

Under the reign of the empire wars are on a all-time low and the galaxy is indeed mostly at peace.

Though the firefly alliance at the other hand, not that is pure evil. There is no grew, the alliance is text book evil. Social control, manipulation, hidden slavery via the colonies, etc … textbook dystopian government.

Does it even need any comment?

You are a bad person and you should be ashamed of posts like this.

Do you not see the difference between a war between two countries (one of which was clearly to blame, Japanesse were the Nazis of the Pacific, complete with atrocities, war crimes, inhumane cruelty, and genocides, and they started the war) and murdering own people during a civil war that only goes on because the Empire is evil and does evil things? You realise that all that was needed to stop the Rebellion was Empire becoming less evil?

So where do you draw the line?

Alderaan is just one member state in the senate, one country of the republic, one government founding terroristic attacks against the legitimate government, allied with the same separatist forces who committed acts of genocide themselves. Speaking of that, the geonosians committed unspeakable war crimes as well, they had an insane reproduction rate and despite their planet getting cleaned two times during the rise of the empire era they needed to put down a third time when one of their surviving queens reactivated a droid factory after the war and tried to reignite their war efforts?

Where do you draw the line? Do you sacrifice billions to keep your hands off species which set themselves up for extinction already? Do you let small communities live in peace and self-government even when they traffic weapons to terrorists? Do you bomb them when they give shelter to criminals, mass murderers and other insurgents? Where do you draw the line from justified aggression, self-defense to becoming an evil empire?

Talking to a wall. Slavery as the right answer to unrest. Japan forced into war. Empire murdering own people en masse wasn't the reason why people took arms.

If you really believe in what you write I don't see the point of further discussion.

It is off topic anyway, let's get back to Rebels.

It is off topic anyway, let's get back to Rebels.

Exactly, you guys are free to fight this out in an off-topic-thread. I really do not want this thread to be locked!

stopping, who cares about if the empire is evil or not.

PLease, please stop.

Yikes, came to just check in on people's opinions of the last episode and things are going waaaaay off topic.

So... um... Wedge Antilles shows up this week. Hooray!?

And from the preview clip (from Rebels Recon), a TIE Interceptor pilot who could maybe, possibly, be a re-canonization of Soontir Fel?

Told ya it's her.

So...how about the show then? Getting a bit heavy in here.

I wrote a mostly spoiler-free review of the episode here - http://superdstuff.com/star-wars-rebels-the-holocrons-of-fate/.

Obviously I can go into more detail here.

I personally really liked the last episode. Good emotion, solid over all story, fun prophesy bit - nice nod.

I'm used to this reincarnation of the Doctor - it is a bit weird, but actually if you think of it in a Tom Baker as Doctor Who way, it really makes sense. Doctor Who has always been somewhat grey.

My only issue - those were some very stupid droids that Maul had.

It's balanced out by his sweet Mandalorian ride. That guy sure knows how to pick a ship. Plus, unless you hire an Astomech or some kind of horrifying battle droid (like Highsinger, for example) you're pretty much guaranteed to get a moron droid.

Or a Gonk.

You can never really tell with how they reuse models in CG animation.

Told ya it's her.

Urgh. His old backstory was so much better. Now he just gets drafted into the rebellion by Sabine, making her even more of a Marry Sue than she was previously . . . bleh.

So...how about the show then? Getting a bit heavy in here.

I wrote a mostly spoiler-free review of the episode here - http://superdstuff.com/star-wars-rebels-the-holocrons-of-fate/.

Obviously I can go into more detail here.

I personally really liked the last episode. Good emotion, solid over all story, fun prophesy bit - nice nod.

I'm used to this reincarnation of the Doctor - it is a bit weird, but actually if you think of it in a Tom Baker as Doctor Who way, it really makes sense. Doctor Who has always been somewhat grey.

My only issue - those were some very stupid droids that Maul had.

It's balanced out by his sweet Mandalorian ride. That guy sure knows how to pick a ship. Plus, unless you hire an Astomech or some kind of horrifying battle droid (like Highsinger, for example) you're pretty much guaranteed to get a moron droid.

Or a Gonk.

Those droids he had were seen in one shot in TCW.

When Maul and his bad guy buddies show up to take over theres this happy little greeter droid who says "Welcome to Mandalore!" and then gets his head shot off (which I saw as the writers symbolically saying that this peaceful Mandalore stuff is over).

So Maul, having past ties with Mandalore, seems to have snagged a couple of these old hospitality droids and reprogrammed them or something.

They're silly, but it's a tie/nod back to Mandalore in TCW.

You understand that new Fulcrum is the one that is doing the heavy lifting on recruiting these pilots, right?

You understand that new Fulcrum is the one that is doing the heavy lifting on recruiting these pilots, right?

Hah! Of course not, how silly! It has to be Sabine so people can continue hating her! Oh, heaven forbid anybody else in the galaxy do anything, right? Wait, they are? Oh. That just makes me look like a tool then huh? Somebody who just wants to hate new stuff.

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