SW Rebels rendition of Darth Vader brought to you by the Universally Stupid Supreme.

Yep, clearly your fanaticism about the EU has blinded you, so I'm done even reading your posts...

Because you keep posting the same drivel over and over again, and when asked for even a shred of evidence to back up your claims, your best response is either 'it was in a source book' which you won't name, 'some author said it' but again you won't give names or links to the interview, or 'the source is out there if you bother to look for it'

All of which means you have no proof, you can't accept the fact that Legends is not canon, and think if you keep telling us it is often enough we might start to agree with you.

I am more than disappointed with the season 2 movie, it pisses me off alot actually. They never should have had Darth Vader fight the main characters unless the writters had Vader kill them. Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent. In Return of the Jedi and The Force Unleashed we at least know Vader was being screwed with by Sidious because Sidious was using the Force to cloud Vaders mind, making him not fight at his full capabilities. In SWTFU2 Vader lost on purpose so he would be taken captive to the main Rebel Alliance fleet, he than would have butchered the Alliance Command. Just in case Clone 11XX actully did turn to the Darkside and try and kill Vader instead of capturing him, Vader had Boba Fett and the Dark Clone standing by ready to kill Clone 11XX if things didnt go to plan.

Unless they show a good reason why Vader didnt kill the two Jedi main characters of the show, like the examples above, he ends up looking as stupid as the movie monsters you see that miss their prey because they are moving to slow to catch them. The T.R.I.P T-800 in Terminator 4 as well as the T-1000 at the end of T2 suffer from very simulair issues I am talking about involving Darth Vader.

When in RoTJ is it ever said that Palpatine was messing with Vader? I don't recall ever hearing / seeing anything like that

Its not talked about in the movie, I got this info from ether a SW Insider q&a and a source book. In SWTFU this ability I am talking about was used by Sidious on clone 1138. You read about it in the SWTFU novel. Its in the pages detailing his fight with Vader and Sidious. I know Luke was also effected by this ability although Vader was the real tiping point in being the cause of Luke falling to the Darkside. It would effect him till the events of the Dark Empire story arc were resolved. JFYI Dark Empire was refrenced in the Tarkin novel.

Speaking of which, we know from many sources, inculiding Dark Empire, that Sidious creates exploitable weaknesses in his weapons or tools that only knows about most the time. He does this so if he needs to dispose of them he can do it easily. Dispite doing this with Vader their is still a great risk Vader can and will kill him, Sidious. Vader was too bring ballance to the force. Nothing Sidious could do to change the future could stop Vader from killing Sidious. Sidious was desprite to have Vader killed after his usefulness was gone. In case you were wondering why Sidious would interfear with battle between Vader and a possible replacement, the above reason is why. Vader isnt just a threat to his master but to the Sith as a whole.

Even after Sidious came back more powerful than ever, Dark Empire, the damage Sidious was afraid Vader would do had been done. The Force was in ballance at that point and the Sith / Darkside was never as powerful as it was as a whole after Vader killed Sidious. In doing so Vader brought true a dream he had as a boy. He dreamed he would free the slaves, which he did. Lots of people who were froced too be IMPs were freed as well as lots slaves under the Empire.

Like I said the season 2 movie makes Vader look stupid if they wanted him too look good they should have had him kill the Jedi main characters he fought, or if the wanted the main characters to survive, they should have had them fight someone NOT DARTH VADER.

.....so the real answer is 'it didn't happen' since it was citing EU that would have been questionable in official capacity when it was written and certainly has no validity now.

This *was* the first time we saw Vader in armor not being a lumbering hack.

Sure in the OT he was menacing because he looked menacing and we were told he was menacing - here - we see why everyone thought we was hardcore.

Finally - you will rarely see the villain succeed in killing main characters in space opera (except in limited circumstances and even then it will fit a pre-determined pattern). It's a fact of the genre. Star Wars is not Game of Thrones or Walking Dead and getting bent out of shape and calling it lame or crappy is to ultimately belie a misunderstanding of the core literary and conceptual roots of the property. Same thing goes for people complaining that the Stormtroopers have terrible aim....

(also - read Lords of the Sith, the new canon novel - not great literature or even a terribly compelling story but there is a tenuous connection to Rebels there and more Vader being a bada** and it gets into the 'legend' of Vader - those who haven't seen him but have heard you want no part of that) and he fights alongside Palpatine (who, while possibly jerking him around isn't clouding his mind or some crazy junk like that

(ha - basically nin'jd by VandorDM )

Arguing with BKL:

.....so the real answer is 'it didn't happen' since it was citing EU that would have been questionable in official capacity when it was written and certainly has no validity now.

I'll do something shocking and sorta agree with BKL. I'm sure that Sid did in fact do something to Vader that would weaken him when/if he ever tried to take out his master. That does kinda fly in the whole concept of the Sith, but Sid was a Sith's Sith and wasn't going to go down easy.

But to say that Sidious was messing with Vader to help Luke win is simply more BS created by someone to explain someone else's BS. Namely that if Vader was this badass Sith then how could someone who would barely qualify as a Jedi take him out.

That of course would mean the person asking that is immensely clueless and missed the real point of the fight on the DSII. Luke didn't beat Vader because he was better with a lightsaber, he beat Vader because of Vaders internal struggle. In fact Luke didn't actually beat Vader, Anakin beat Vader.

This *was* the first time we saw Vader in armor not being a lumbering hack.

Very true, and very well put. After watching that episode I thought 'well finally someone makes Vader look like he deserves the title Dark Lord of the Sith, instead of him having it because he found it in a box of cracker jacks'

It's a fact of the genre. Star Wars is not Game of Thrones or Walking Dead and getting bent out of shape and calling it lame or crappy is to ultimately belie a misunderstanding of the core literary and conceptual roots of the property.

Good point, a lot of people seem to forget that Star Wars is first and foremost a Space Opera and so naturally has internal rules about what will or won't happen. Plot armor for the good guys is a big part of that. Another part of that is the black/white nature of universe.

Yeah, it's called putting him in a mechanical suit that easily gets fried by Force Lightning. And any dismissal of Luke's victory in ROTJ just screams of fanboyism.

I fail to see how the Ghost Crew surviving (barely) Vader says that he is incompetant. Now, Filoni is aware of the danger of the heroes constantly beating the villian will have a negative impact on the villian's threat. Which is why he brought in the Inquisitors.

Now, Filoni is aware of the danger of the heroes constantly beating the villian will have a negative impact on the villian's threat.

One thing I'll say about the fight between Kanan and Vader, is I thought they did a very good job of making it clear that Kanan never stood a chance and knew it. That he was doing nothing more then trying to buy time for everyone else to get away and was quite willing to die to do so.

That kind of thing has been done tons of times before, but I think that the Rebels writers, artists and voice actors did an exceptional job of really capturing that feel.

There were points where I honestly thought season 2 might not even have Kanan, that he'd die in that fight and Asoka would take over Ezra's training.

At this point - (other than Asoka who thematically has to die imo) - I wonder how long Hera will be around - primarily because she is conspicuously absent in most merchandising. I've only really seen her on plastic cups from Target and a single action figure. They didn't include Hera in the Infinity 3.0 set (every other Rebel is though)

They clearly focus on the guys more (even having the Inquisitor and Agent Kalus - but I get that you need baddies to play with) and I have seen a couple more Sabine toys and merch than Hera (probably just on the basis of the Madalorian armour).

I'm being mildly sarcastic but it is an odd choice to generally exclude a main character so it *sorta* makes me wonder what their plans are for her.

Yeah, let's not confuse the issue with toy marketing with the show's story.

I said I was being mildly sarcastic to conflate the two issues but this is a Rebel discussion thread so merch is open to discuss is it not?

The lack of female character merch has been frustrating because I've had birthday shopping trips for friends and family that have little girls that like Star Wars and Rebels and it is disappointing that they engage with the characters on the show but there is no merchandise for them - but you can easily find Kanan and Ezra in numerous sizes and form factors

At this point - (other than Asoka who thematically has to die imo) - I wonder how long Hera will be around - primarily because she is conspicuously absent in most merchandising. I've only really seen her on plastic cups from Target and a single action figure. They didn't include Hera in the Infinity 3.0 set (every other Rebel is though)

They clearly focus on the guys more (even having the Inquisitor and Agent Kalus - but I get that you need baddies to play with) and I have seen a couple more Sabine toys and merch than Hera (probably just on the basis of the Madalorian armour).

I'm being mildly sarcastic but it is an odd choice to generally exclude a main character so it *sorta* makes me wonder what their plans are for her.

That irks me no end. Hera is the heart of that crew.

That irks me no end. Hera is the heart of that crew.

Yeah, by far my favorite character on the show.

There were points where I honestly thought season 2 might not even have Kanan, that he'd die in that fight and Asoka would take over Ezra's training.

God I hope not. While watching CW, Ahsoka feels like a shoehorned-in Mary Sue (and still does; "Hey, mind if I tag along?") whereas Kanan's character feels more in line with the look/feel of the series.

Although it was weird how they kept repeating "fear, anger, and hate" like short-circuiting droids. That's some serious writing fail there.

God I hope not. While watching CW, Ahsoka feels like a shoehorned-in Mary Sue

How far into CW have you seen? I thought the same thing to begin with, but by the end of season 5 she was one of my favorite characters.

I agree though that putting her in the ghost there at the end did seem forced, just so they could have her sense vader and vader would have a reason to let the main characters live.

That irks me no end. Hera is the heart of that crew.

Yeah, by far my favorite character on the show.

Not my favorite character (that would be Zeb) but she sure did remind me of my mom in the first episode when she used Zeb's full name after Ezra was captured by Agent Kallus. My mom did the exact same thing with me when I did something bad.

That irks me no end. Hera is the heart of that crew.

Yeah, by far my favorite character on the show.

Same here.

God I hope not. While watching CW, Ahsoka feels like a shoehorned-in Mary Sue

How far into CW have you seen? I thought the same thing to begin with, but by the end of season 5 she was one of my favorite characters.

I agree though that putting her in the ghost there at the end did seem forced, just so they could have her sense vader and vader would have a reason to let the main characters live.

I thought Ahoska got better over time until season 5 where she spent much of her time serving as the village idiot.

I hate when people who don't know the meaning of the word terrorist just randomly throw it out. Though I suppose he is just using the definition used by many governments. Namely that a terrorist is anyone who fights against their government who isn't part of another government's military is a terrorist.

I hate when people can't recognize a joke when they see one. Every Star Wars fan is always "Yay! Go Rebels!" Sometimes it is fun to walk into those crowds and shout out "Long live the Emperor!" Also, when you remove the ideological aspect of it, the Empire has some cool aspects. Their gear looks a hell of a lot cooler than the Rebels, for one.

As for not knowing the meaning of the word, here is what the dictionary says of it:

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noun

1.

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2.

the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization .

3.

a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Can you honestly tell me that the rebels are not using violence and threats to intimidate or coerce? A perfect example is when Kanan and his crew bomb the celebrations of Empire Day. Yeah, the people are afraid of the Imperial Government. But at that exact moment, do you think they were more afraid of the ever looming Empire, or the giant explosion that just destroyed a TIE Fighter? They are using violence to intimidate the Imperials and cause a state of fear for them. If you're a Storm Trooper and you knew your men were being gunned down for being employed by the government, I'm sure you'd be terrified to do anything. They are using violence to coerce the citizens to rise up against the legitimate government; a political purpose.

I'm not saying the Empire doesn't terrorize the galaxy, but the Rebels do the same thing... just to a different degree.

By that definition every soldier who ever served in combat was a terrorist and every nation that ever fought in a war was engaged in terrorism. War by its nature is using force to intimidate or coerce the enemy to do as you wish or allow you to do as you wish and most of, if not all of, the time there are political objectives involved.

That irks me no end. Hera is the heart of that crew.

Yeah, by far my favorite character on the show.

Also a, no THE pilot, and kanan's love interest. If she dies, hes goin like anikian because of padme. Kanan could die tho.

The rebels use hit and run tactics to strike imperial military targets and other interests to make the empire look weak, or to divert supply lines to make things a lot more difficult when the empire wants to project it's power to out of the way places like the outer rim. The rebels certainly don't try terrorist tactics to keep the population frightened...if a TIE fighter is blown up during a parade it's not the citizens who are afraid that their TIE fighters are getting blown up too...

The empire uses the classic strategies of oppression and and shows of overwhelming power to keep its citizens from even thinking about resisting imperial rule. Fear keeps the systems in line, and that fear comes from the empire terrorizing the population.

I don't think either faction really fits what we would call 'terrorists' but the empire using brutal tactics to cow it's subjects is slot closer than the rebels striking targets to disrupt the empire's ability to use those tactics.

But then, why should i continue to feed the trolls.

I hate when people who don't know the meaning of the word terrorist just randomly throw it out. Though I suppose he is just using the definition used by many governments. Namely that a terrorist is anyone who fights against their government who isn't part of another government's military is a terrorist.

I hate when people can't recognize a joke when they see one. Every Star Wars fan is always "Yay! Go Rebels!" Sometimes it is fun to walk into those crowds and shout out "Long live the Emperor!" Also, when you remove the ideological aspect of it, the Empire has some cool aspects. Their gear looks a hell of a lot cooler than the Rebels, for one.

As for not knowing the meaning of the word, here is what the dictionary says of it:

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noun

1.

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially forpolitical purposes.

2.

the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization .

3.

a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Can you honestly tell me that the rebels are not using violence and threats to intimidate or coerce? A perfect example is when Kanan and his crew bomb the celebrations of Empire Day. Yeah, the people are afraid of the Imperial Government. But at that exact moment, do you think they were more afraid of the ever looming Empire, or the giant explosion that just destroyed a TIE Fighter? They are using violence to intimidate the Imperials and cause a state of fear for them. If you're a Storm Trooper and you knew your men were being gunned down for being employed by the government, I'm sure you'd be terrified to do anything. They are using violence to coerce the citizens to rise up against the legitimate government; a political purpose.

I'm not saying the Empire doesn't terrorize the galaxy, but the Rebels do the same thing... just to a different degree.

You couldn't be more wrong. The Rebels know what they're doing against The Empire.

What they want to do is inspire the people. Which, by the way- unless you missed it, it exactly what they did.

Call The Galactic Empire a Legitimate Government all you want, in truth they're nothing more than an occupant force in place of a previous, more reasonable Government.

I love calling the Rebels terrorists when I have my Imperial Hat on. After all the definition of terrorism is;

The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims:

If we keep in mind that the Imperial rule came about through legitimate means and not by Invasion, the definition fits perfectly.

When I put on my Rebel hat, the Empire is clearly a draconian and oppressive regime and I find no reason to recognise their legitimacy. On this basis their authorisation and 'official' stance has no bearing. An illigitimat government has no grounds to decide what is and isn't official. The Empire came about through manipulation, deceit and intimidation.

Seeing as the Empire was always inspired by Nazi Germany, for this type of discussion we should not look at the French resistance or the Allied forces for a Rebel alliance analogy, but instead to the varied German opposition to the Nazi party. In no way we're these a coordinated group but instead entirely disparate 'cells' and individuals. Very much like the origins of the Rebel Alliance. Unlike our scimitar heroes, these German groups never became an organised group but it is generally held and acknowledged that tens of thousands of Germans were interred and or executed for their opposition to the Nazi party. As I say, very similar to the birth of the rebellion just without the 'success'.

We're these Germans terrorists? Just becaus the ruling party would have said yes, doesn't make it so. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Always been the case, always will be.

The Rebel Alliance is always shown to be targeting military targets and with inspiration not revolution as the motive so in truth, terrorism doesn't fit at all.

I'll still call them it when I'm on in an Imperial mood though!

I am more than disappointed with the season 2 movie, it pisses me off alot actually. They never should have had Darth Vader fight the main characters unless the writters had Vader kill them. Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent. In Return of the Jedi and The Force Unleashed we at least know Vader was being screwed with by Sidious because Sidious was using the Force to cloud Vaders mind, making him not fight at his full capabilities. In SWTFU2 Vader lost on purpose so he would be taken captive to the main Rebel Alliance fleet, he than would have butchered the Alliance Command. Just in case Clone 11XX actully did turn to the Darkside and try and kill Vader instead of capturing him, Vader had Boba Fett and the Dark Clone standing by ready to kill Clone 11XX if things didnt go to plan.

Unless they show a good reason why Vader didnt kill the two Jedi main characters of the show, like the examples above, he ends up looking as stupid as the movie monsters you see that miss their prey because they are moving to slow to catch them. The T.R.I.P T-800 in Terminator 4 as well as the T-1000 at the end of T2 suffer from very simulair issues I am talking about involving Darth Vader.

When in RoTJ is it ever said that Palpatine was messing with Vader? I don't recall ever hearing / seeing anything like that

Its not talked about in the movie, I got this info from ether a SW Insider q&a and a source book. In SWTFU this ability I am talking about was used by Sidious on clone 1138. You read about it in the SWTFU novel. Its in the pages detailing his fight with Vader and Sidious. I know Luke was also effected by this ability although Vader was the real tiping point in being the cause of Luke falling to the Darkside. It would effect him till the events of the Dark Empire story arc were resolved. JFYI Dark Empire was refrenced in the Tarkin novel.

Speaking of which, we know from many sources, inculiding Dark Empire, that Sidious creates exploitable weaknesses in his weapons or tools that only knows about most the time. He does this so if he needs to dispose of them he can do it easily. Dispite doing this with Vader their is still a great risk Vader can and will kill him, Sidious. Vader was too bring ballance to the force. Nothing Sidious could do to change the future could stop Vader from killing Sidious. Sidious was desprite to have Vader killed after his usefulness was gone. In case you were wondering why Sidious would interfear with battle between Vader and a possible replacement, the above reason is why. Vader isnt just a threat to his master but to the Sith as a whole.

Even after Sidious came back more powerful than ever, Dark Empire, the damage Sidious was afraid Vader would do had been done. The Force was in ballance at that point and the Sith / Darkside was never as powerful as it was as a whole after Vader killed Sidious. In doing so Vader brought true a dream he had as a boy. He dreamed he would free the slaves, which he did. Lots of people who were froced too be IMPs were freed as well as lots slaves under the Empire.

Like I said the season 2 movie makes Vader look stupid if they wanted him too look good they should have had him kill the Jedi main characters he fought, or if the wanted the main characters to survive, they should have had them fight someone NOT DARTH VADER.

.....so the real answer is 'it didn't happen' since it was citing EU that would have been questionable in official capacity when it was written and certainly has no validity now.

This *was* the first time we saw Vader in armor not being a lumbering hack.

Sure in the OT he was menacing because he looked menacing and we were told he was menacing - here - we see why everyone thought we was hardcore.

Finally - you will rarely see the villain succeed in killing main characters in space opera (except in limited circumstances and even then it will fit a pre-determined pattern). It's a fact of the genre. Star Wars is not Game of Thrones or Walking Dead and getting bent out of shape and calling it lame or crappy is to ultimately belie a misunderstanding of the core literary and conceptual roots of the property. Same thing goes for people complaining that the Stormtroopers have terrible aim....

(also - read Lords of the Sith, the new canon novel - not great literature or even a terribly compelling story but there is a tenuous connection to Rebels there and more Vader being a bada** and it gets into the 'legend' of Vader - those who haven't seen him but have heard you want no part of that) and he fights alongside Palpatine (who, while possibly jerking him around isn't clouding his mind or some crazy junk like that

(ha - basically nin'jd by VandorDM )

Actully the material made in the past is secondary canon not non-canon. There plenty of articles that support I will send you a pm with the names of those articles. I wouldnt put stock in what that person says, I guess they follow me around but havent taken the hint that I dont see their posts fort he most part because they are blocked.

Anyway I dont agree with your post in that, SW is a space opera and that means by design tthe antagonist must rarely kill main characters. SW has broken the mokd plenty of times when it comes to style of story telling. It does have some homages too other classic franchies BUT in other ways it has broken the mold. They had the chance to make Vader look good in that movie but they failed. Their was no excuse to make him act the way he did in that fight with the two jedi characters or even some of the non-jedi, JJYI i am not talking about the conflict Vader has later in which he has a reason to let the enemies escape.

Vader didnt really look like a lumber hack in the movies, excluding ep 4 since David made it clear he didnt give a crap what GL tokld him how to fight with a Light Sabre. Hes pretty fast actully, I general, he moves faster than any other character in the movies, hell people have to run to keep up with him when he walks.

I wont be reading Lords of the Sith since its nothing more than a rehash, nor will I be watch the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones, I have better things to do or watch.

Yeah, it's called putting him in a mechanical suit that easily gets fried by Force Lightning. And any dismissal of Luke's victory in ROTJ just screams of fanboyism.

I fail to see how the Ghost Crew surviving (barely) Vader says that he is incompetant. Now, Filoni is aware of the danger of the heroes constantly beating the villian will have a negative impact on the villian's threat. Which is why he brought in the Inquisitors.

Oh good, was this Filoni person involved in the Clone Wars? Because they sure did make the CIS leaders look respectable.

Actully the material made in the past is secondary canon not non-canon.

GIVE ME A DANG SOURCE!!!

By that definition every soldier who ever served in combat was a terrorist and every nation that ever fought in a war was engaged in terrorism. War by its nature is using force to intimidate or coerce the enemy to do as you wish or allow you to do as you wish and most of, if not all of, the time there are political objectives involved.

Here is another definition to look at:

" Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments."

- Acts of violence? Check! They attack Imperial outposts and assets.

- Group that views themselves as victimized by a notable historical wrong? Check! The rise of the Empire and the manner in which they enforce their rule has definitely victimized many of them.

- No formal connection to governments? Check!

- Have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments? Check! Notably the Alderaanian government is supporting the rebels.

So no, soldiers who have legitimate ties to a government and are fighting in a legitimate war are not terrorists.

The rebels use hit and run tactics to strike imperial military targets and other interests to make the empire look weak, or to divert supply lines to make things a lot more difficult when the empire wants to project it's power to out of the way places like the outer rim. The rebels certainly don't try terrorist tactics to keep the population frightened...if a TIE fighter is blown up during a parade it's not the citizens who are afraid that their TIE fighters are getting blown up too...

The empire uses the classic strategies of oppression and and shows of overwhelming power to keep its citizens from even thinking about resisting imperial rule. Fear keeps the systems in line, and that fear comes from the empire terrorizing the population.

I don't think either faction really fits what we would call 'terrorists' but the empire using brutal tactics to cow it's subjects is slot closer than the rebels striking targets to disrupt the empire's ability to use those tactics.

But then, why should i continue to feed the trolls.

Their hit and run tactics included attacking military targets at a government celebration where hundreds of civilians are present and at risk to become collateral damage. I'm not saying the Empire is a force for good (to quote the US Navy's commercials), quite the opposite. The Empire is a terrible regime. But from an Imperial point of view , the rebels are nothing more than terrorists. That is, until, the Rebellion escalates into a full scale civil war.

And why must I be deemed a troll? Because I enjoy mocking a ficitional universe and encourage people to look at something from a different point of view? There are always two sides to a story.

I hate when people who don't know the meaning of the word terrorist just randomly throw it out. Though I suppose he is just using the definition used by many governments. Namely that a terrorist is anyone who fights against their government who isn't part of another government's military is a terrorist.

I hate when people can't recognize a joke when they see one. Every Star Wars fan is always "Yay! Go Rebels!" Sometimes it is fun to walk into those crowds and shout out "Long live the Emperor!" Also, when you remove the ideological aspect of it, the Empire has some cool aspects. Their gear looks a hell of a lot cooler than the Rebels, for one.

As for not knowing the meaning of the word, here is what the dictionary says of it:

[ ter - uh -riz- uh m]

Spell Syllables

• Examples
• Word Origin

noun

1.

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially forpolitical purposes.

2.

the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization .

3.

a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Can you honestly tell me that the rebels are not using violence and threats to intimidate or coerce? A perfect example is when Kanan and his crew bomb the celebrations of Empire Day. Yeah, the people are afraid of the Imperial Government. But at that exact moment, do you think they were more afraid of the ever looming Empire, or the giant explosion that just destroyed a TIE Fighter? They are using violence to intimidate the Imperials and cause a state of fear for them. If you're a Storm Trooper and you knew your men were being gunned down for being employed by the government, I'm sure you'd be terrified to do anything. They are using violence to coerce the citizens to rise up against the legitimate government; a political purpose.

I'm not saying the Empire doesn't terrorize the galaxy, but the Rebels do the same thing... just to a different degree.

You couldn't be more wrong. The Rebels know what they're doing against The Empire.

What they want to do is inspire the people. Which, by the way- unless you missed it, it exactly what they did.

Call The Galactic Empire a Legitimate Government all you want, in truth they're nothing more than an occupant force in place of a previous, more reasonable Government.

You can't really call the Empire an occupation force. If you recall in Episode III, Amidala says "This is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause." How is the Empire an occupation force when the senators all applauded the restructuring of the old republic? The clones in the Republic Army lead the way for the Storm Trooper Corps. The senators who sat for their systems in the Republic continue to serve in the Imperial Senate.

Seems pretty legit to me.

Remember, at the time that Rebels is taking place, the Death Star has not been completed yet. The Imperial Senate is still very much in place and the people believe their senators have a way of influencing the Emperor. The Empire has been ruling with an iron fist, but it hasn't yet gotten to the point of "fear keeping systems in line."

I love calling the Rebels terrorists when I have my Imperial Hat on. After all the definition of terrorism is;

The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims:

If we keep in mind that the Imperial rule came about through legitimate means and not by Invasion, the definition fits perfectly.

When I put on my Rebel hat, the Empire is clearly a draconian and oppressive regime and I find no reason to recognise their legitimacy. On this basis their authorisation and 'official' stance has no bearing. An illigitimat government has no grounds to decide what is and isn't official. The Empire came about through manipulation, deceit and intimidation.

Seeing as the Empire was always inspired by Nazi Germany, for this type of discussion we should not look at the French resistance or the Allied forces for a Rebel alliance analogy, but instead to the varied German opposition to the Nazi party. In no way we're these a coordinated group but instead entirely disparate 'cells' and individuals. Very much like the origins of the Rebel Alliance. Unlike our scimitar heroes, these German groups never became an organised group but it is generally held and acknowledged that tens of thousands of Germans were interred and or executed for their opposition to the Nazi party. As I say, very similar to the birth of the rebellion just without the 'success'.

We're these Germans terrorists? Just becaus the ruling party would have said yes, doesn't make it so. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Always been the case, always will be.

The Rebel Alliance is always shown to be targeting military targets and with inspiration not revolution as the motive so in truth, terrorism doesn't fit at all.

I'll still call them it when I'm on in an Imperial mood though!

This. So much.

I have always found the Empire to be a much more interesting aspect of the Star Wars universe than the Rebels. I've always found the Sith to be more interesting than the Jedi. Playing SW:TOR, I have more Sith characters than Jedi. Playing X-wing, I fly almost exclusively Empire (between table top and vassal). But because the story is focused on the "good guys," I have to accept that their fight is the right one? That to disagree with that makes me a troll? Look at the movies. Empire Strikes Back is considered to be the best one made. What makes the story in that particular movie so good? The fact that the rebels lose . Their base is destroyed, they are scattered across the galaxy to regroup outside of the galactic plane. Solo is captured, Luke loses his hand and almost dies. Look at the prequels. Revenge of the Sith is the best one out of those three movies because the Jedi lose .

Let's face it people...