STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!

By KCDodger, in X-Wing

Facts FTW

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There was certainly not a full-on shot of Ahsoka, at all.

There there image above and the T-Shirt which while not proof is definitely evidence of what that scene was about. Why would they make an image like that if that wasn't the intention. It's not like it's some fan art either, it was done by Dave himself.

Convor, so that is the name of the owl bird thing.

The Jedi feel death through the Force.

They can, that doesn't mean they always do, or can't be fooled or even mistaken.

K and E did not look happy, nor did the Phantom show up to retrieve her as Vader hobbled away.

Because they believed she was dead? But again, just because they believed it doesn't mean it's true.

There was certainly not a full-on shot of Ahsoka, at all.

There there image above and the T-Shirt which while not proof is definitely evidence of what that scene was about. Why would they make an image like that if that wasn't the intention. It's not like it's some fan art either, it was done by Dave himself.

Again, t-shirts prove nothing. If I made you a t-shirt with Han sharing a drink in an escape pod with Abraham Lincoln, would you also insist they were both alive?

Also again, a Force ghost, sure, but alive? Ehhhhhhhhhh.......

The Jedi feel death through the Force.

They can, that doesn't mean they always do, or can't be fooled or even mistaken.

K and E did not look happy, nor did the Phantom show up to retrieve her as Vader hobbled away.

Because they believed she was dead? But again, just because they believed it doesn't mean it's true.

I think it is important to point out that Kanan did need medical attention.

Again, t-shirts prove nothing.

Artwork by the guy who makes the show does however.

Also again, a Force ghost, sure, but alive?

Prove she's not alive. Because everything we actually know, which includes the episode guide says she's alive. It doesn't say force ghost, it says Ahsoka.

You can't do it of course, because there is no evidence to support your claim, there is however evidence to prove that she's alive.

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Again, t-shirts prove nothing.

Artwork by the guy who makes the show does however.

Also again, a Force ghost, sure, but alive?

Prove she's not alive. Because everything we actually know, which includes the episode guide says she's alive. It doesn't say force ghost, it says Ahsoka.

From an interview with Filoni:

"I didn't put an image of Vader like dragging her head along - that would be horrible! I couldn't even get off this lot if that happened. But I also didn't have a Lothcat come purr at her ankle as she picked it up and said 'phew, close one.' Neither of those is an acceptable outcome." (source:http://comicbook.com/2016/03/31/star-wars-rebels-what-happened-to-ahsoka-tano-in-the-season-2-fi/)

So it's intentionally unclear.

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Until I see a scene with her alive in it, she's dead.

Without a body you can't prove someone is dead. So until they say for sure she's dead then she's not.

It's really surprising how many people will ignore things for the sake of keeping their pet theories alive...

Habeas mo fooking corpus.

Until I see her stone cold corpse she's alive. A hero is always dead until a body is confirmed, and even then empty a few rounds into it and cremate it just to make **** sure.*

*Even then, that's not always enough...

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She is probably alive, but I do feel it somewhat cheapens the encounter.

So it's intentionally unclear.

Does the fact that she's alive offend you somehow? Because that's the only way what you're saying makes any sense.

It's not intentionally unclear if she's alive or not. Only what will happen next.

Her pulling a yoda at Malachor would kinda rock. It puts her outside of the movie trilogy without just killing her.

It is an elegant solution to a problem we all postulated.

Based off one of the interviews with Dave Filoni I'd be willing to bet that Ahsoka is going to be treated as dead until the story department wants to write something about her, and with the ambiguous ending they now have the ability to write stories after this point if they want to. However, I think we probably will not be seeing Ahsoka on anymore episodes on Star Wars Rebels, aside from maybe flashbacks, and to a lesser extent I think they will be using less Darth Vader too.

On another point though, also brought up in the interview, Dave mentioned that the Inquisitors are just disposable pawns to Vader and Palpatine who are used to draw out Jedi. And that the closer we get to the OT, and the Jedi have all but disappeared, those two wouldn't want them or need them around. So it would be interesting if net season or the next ended up having it where we see a shift of dark side Inquisitors to more just force sensitive Emperor's Hands.

So it's intentionally unclear.

Does the fact that she's alive offend you somehow? Because that's the only way what you're saying makes any sense.

It's not intentionally unclear if she's alive or not. Only what will happen next.

Does it personally offend you if she's dead? To answer your question, at the end of the day it's a TV show, so no. Chill out.

It's intentionally unclear, Filoni says as much in the interview.

As Lunarsol said, her being miraculously alive would cheapen the encounter. The whole thing built to an excellent emotional climax, and Vader deciding to off her is an excellent turn because it shows just how lost Anakin's become. Similarly it shows the stakes the Rebels are fighting for and adds depth to the show. It would also show that the writers are willing to make hard decisions and kill off well-loved characters for impact (and not willy-nilly like GRRM).

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In any case, if that was Ahsoka's final scene, was that a worthy ending to a 9+ year character? Before last night, it was my strong belief that she wouldn't make it. To me, it made sense story wise.

But that episode, for how good it was, was not worthy of an Ahsoka farewell.

I don't know, I just love the conversation.

"Revenge is not the Jedi way"

"I am no Jedi"

Which is probably a bit problematic with leaving her in a Sith temple...

Until I see a scene with her alive in it, she's dead.

Without a body you can't prove someone is dead. So until they say for sure she's dead then she's not.

It's really surprising how many people will ignore things for the sake of keeping their pet theories alive...

Just kidding but perhaps.......... Because there isn't a body you can't prove that Asoka is dead or alive.

So she may be both dead and alive, living somewhere in a cave with a cat named schrodinger.

Now is that a Zen or Jedi thing? :)

Just wonderin'

I actually though Ashoka lived.
However, now when I think about the last scene when she casually walks away while Vader is limping.

Hardly possible for her to suffer no injuries in that blast and fighting Vader. So yeah, probably dead...

It's not even that we don't get a body. It's that we didn't see the death blow. We get an explosion that Vader walks away from. Nothing from Ahsoka. Compare to how the Inquisitors died.

I actually though Ashoka lived.

However, now when I think about the last scene when she casually walks away while Vader is limping.

Hardly possible for her to suffer no injuries in that blast and fighting Vader. So yeah, probably dead...

She's a jedi, even if not in name.

Anything is possible. I'm firmly in the alive until proven otherwise camp. Understand this. I want and expect her to die. This is NOT a bias on my part. This is critical thinking, logic, evidence.

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Just where are the new ahsoka toys!?

Oh I should probably research before I spout nonsense

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This exploration of the sith was really well done, I feel like Malachor might have been combined with Bane's mass weapon that killed all Sith and Jedi in the battle of Ruusan. So instead of a mass weapon that blew up the planet, it still killed mostly everyone on it, but in a more life draining fashion.

I was sad that Revan never made an appearance or voice appearance as I think he'd be the prefect Sith to nod to with that episode, maybe it was Treya, maybe it was no one we know. I really enjoyed Maul's casual reciting of the Sith code to Ezra, and really liked Kanan, the blind jedi. Very excited about the next season.

We actually don't know that. Pablo Hidalgo the new keeper of the Canon was directly involved with this episode and had public stated that he preferred a female Revan for his KotOR playthroughs so that voice could be Revan. We aren't bound by the old EU anymore and thank God for that because all post KotOR stories on Revan were horrible.

It's intentionally unclear, Filoni says as much in the interview.

No it's not, just that he didn't want to have a clearly gruesome ending or a clearly happy one.

As Lunarsol said, her being miraculously alive would cheapen the encounter.

The only way that's true if you dislike her for some reason, or believe that no one other than Luke can ever stand up to Vader. Because there's no other way her surviving could actually cheapen the encounter.

It would also show that the writers are willing to make hard decisions and kill off well-loved characters for impact (and not willy-nilly like GRRM).

And again, there's no reason her being alive but walking away for god doesn't have the same if not more impact.

What would be the lazy way out and what would truly cheapen the scene, is if she died off stage. When/If Vader kills her, he needs to be seen doing it, not have some explosion kill her or something.

There is no death blow, and in Star Wars if you don't see that, then the character isn't really dead.

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Terrelian Jango Jumper (That's the species, from starwars.com)

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If that was what it was suppose to be then they messed up. Fingers and feet don't match up on new Inquisitor.

Maybe the males are different?

Back up back up.

JANGO JUMPER?

They...

They jump.....

Jango?

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?

So it's intentionally unclear.

Does the fact that she's alive offend you somehow? Because that's the only way what you're saying makes any sense.

It's not intentionally unclear if she's alive or not. Only what will happen next.

Does it personally offend you if she's dead? To answer your question, at the end of the day it's a TV show, so no. Chill out.

It's intentionally unclear, Filoni says as much in the interview.

As Lunarsol said, her being miraculously alive would cheapen the encounter. The whole thing built to an excellent emotional climax, and Vader deciding to off her is an excellent turn because it shows just how lost Anakin's become. Similarly it shows the stakes the Rebels are fighting for and adds depth to the show. It would also show that the writers are willing to make hard decisions and kill off well-loved characters for impact (and not willy-nilly like GRRM).

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There is no death blow, and in Star Wars if you don't see that, then the character isn't really dead.

:P Edited by eMeM