You need to coin that term.

I agree, and it's a very apt description of his role in the Rebels show.

and encourage everyone else to do the same within this thread.

More words of wisdom.

they are pretty much forced to underuse him to maintain impact.

Yeah if he actually tried to destroy the Rebel in the show, he would either have to do that, or if he failed it would diminish the character a fair amount.

That, and they don't have the budget to use him a lot. (**** cape)

Obi-Wan does say,

Obi-Wan isn't exactly the most reliable source of facts... He did after all tell Luke that his father was killed by Darth Vader. Kenan isn't technically a Jedi, he was a padawan when order 66 happened so he never took the trials. That means Ezra can never be a Jedi either.

Plus the idea that somehow Obi-Wan and Yoda could make it that long without being discovered but no other Jedi could find a place to hide in the whole galaxy is simply too far fetched.

Kenan and Ezra may die before the end, but I don't think that's a given or need to happen.

Obi Wan and Yoda were effectively Jedi Zealots. They don't really acknowledge other force using traditions, even those focused on the light side. If I remember correctly officially Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, she left the order. Maybe in Obi Wan's and Yoda's eyes they are not considered Jedis, but still worthy of Jedi training, and maybe they are just Jedi candidates to Obi Wan and Yoda.

If I remember correctly officially Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, she left the order.

She isn't, that's one of the reasons for the white blades I believe, they're symbolic of her status.

Yoda does seem to think Ezra is worth helping... But let's be clear, we can only put so much weight on something said by a character. They don't have perfect knowledge so what they say can and qutie often is in fact wrong.

So just because Obi-Wan said that doesn't mean it's an absolute fact that forces the writers of Rebels to kill off those characters. He could simply be wrong, or he could be referring to people recognized as Jedi by the Jedi Console, which wouldn't apply to Kanan or Ezra. Also IIRC in the EU Luke had former Jedi showing up as his academy after Endor.

Yeah, the whole "Yoda must be correct" thing is kind of silly. Though, I remember quite a few were advocating for "There is another" line to mean Starkiller. (barf)

Just seen this weeks episode, gives some nice character moments for Ezra, Kanan and ahsoka. Big lead up for future happenings too, also confirmation of the grand inquisitors identity which a lot of people have kind of guessed at already.

Not to mention a personal moment of vindication for me over the state of the jedi order during the clone wars from yoda himself.

Did I miss an episode? The last one I saw was about Zeb and Kalas?

Yeah, the whole "Yoda must be correct" thing is kind of silly.

I have two issues with it. One it was a single line in a movie. By someone who can't really know that. Not even Yoda could tell if there was another Jedi on the other side of the galaxy... especially from Dagobah which was supposed to help mask his presence.

Also it's just freaking stupid... I don't know how many Jedi there were at the end of the old republic, and no doubt many of them were killed by order 66. But I'd doubt large % were even with clone troopers, and some of those with them would've escaped.

The idea that in a place as large as a freaking galaxy with who knows how many trillions of people... 5 or even 10 more couldn't escape the Empire's notice is just too far fetched to be reasonable.

Just seen this weeks episode, gives some nice character moments for Ezra, Kanan and ahsoka. Big lead up for future happenings too, also confirmation of the grand inquisitors identity which a lot of people have kind of guessed at already.

Not to mention a personal moment of vindication for me over the state of the jedi order during the clone wars from yoda himself.

Did I miss an episode? The last one I saw was about Zeb and Kalas?

They have been putting up the episodes online early.

If I remember correctly officially Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, she left the order.

If you have to be a part of the Order to be a Jedi, then, officially, nobody is a Jedi. Because the Order is dead.

Yoda was speaking of the one he did know about, Leia. In the context of the movies, that's all there is to be cared about.

Assuming he was talking about characters who were the wet dreams of prequel fans from Lucas Arts single worst creative period is nothing short of insane.

Would Yoda know of the other Jedi? No. There were not supposed to be other Jedi. They were all added by the EU later. For better and for worse.

Could Obi be pulling the certain point of view crap? Absolutely. He does that a lot. But in the context of the movies, Luke and Leia were it.

If I remember correctly officially Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, she left the order.

If you have to be a part of the Order to be a Jedi, then, officially, nobody is a Jedi. Because the Order is dead.

From a certain point of view.

Shroud of Darkness is available on demand.

Anyone else see it yet?

Shroud of Darkness is available on demand.

Anyone else see it yet?

Just watched it. That was good.

Chopper should have come back and trashed their ships.

Speculation on Season 2, Episode 16, Shroud of Darkness.

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Just seen this weeks episode, gives some nice character moments for Ezra, Kanan and ahsoka. Big lead up for future happenings too, also confirmation of the grand inquisitors identity which a lot of people have kind of guessed at already.

Not to mention a personal moment of vindication for me over the state of the jedi order during the clone wars from yoda himself.

Did I miss an episode? The last one I saw was about Zeb and Kalas?

They have been putting up the episodes online early.

So I have to stop reading this thread unless I stream it too. My wife and I usually watch it on TV.

Speculation on Season 2, Episode 16, Shroud of Darkness.

Do NOT open, unless you want:

Was this whole episode a misdirect?

They confirm Ahsoka Tano is not a Jedi.

But they not only confirm Kanan is a Jedi, but he's now a full Jedi Knight.

So we're made to believe that Tano may be safe from the whole "last of Jedi" proclamation, but Kanan now even has a bigger target painted on him.

Tano has not been a jedi for roughly 16 years.

She left the order and severed all ties to it.

If I remember correctly officially Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, she left the order.

If you have to be a part of the Order to be a Jedi, then, officially, nobody is a Jedi. Because the Order is dead.

Not really... it's in hiding.

In the same line as my "what makes an evil empire".

By what measure makes a jedi? Force potential sure. Morality? Being actually in the order?

Surely by Tano's actions she is jedi in all but name?

Surely by Tano's actions she is jedi in all but name?

Sure, but sometimes the official title does in fact matter. I mean do you want someone who has 8 years of med school, but couldn't quite make it in the end to be your doctor? Or what about someone who can't pass the bar.

Also I don't think Asoka would consider herself to be a Jedi, not considering how they console treated her in the end. She likely would consider that to be bordering on an insult.

How she considers herself probably matters more. Kanan believes himself to be a Jedi, so he is a Jedi. Luke believes himself to be a Jedi, so he's a Jedi.

Tano refuses to acknowledge that she is a Jedi, despite having superior training to Kanan and dare I say it? Luke.At least more formal.

So... because she doesn't see herself as a Jedi, she isn't a Jedi.

maybe. I dunno, thoughts?

How she considers herself probably matters more. Kanan believes himself to be a Jedi, so he is a Jedi. Luke believes himself to be a Jedi, so he's a Jedi.

Tano refuses to acknowledge that she is a Jedi, despite having superior training to Kanan and dare I say it? Luke.At least more formal.

So... because she doesn't see herself as a Jedi, she isn't a Jedi.

maybe. I dunno, thoughts?

I agree that she doesn't accept the title, but as we saw in the episode

Surely by Tano's actions she is jedi in all but name?

Sure, but sometimes the official title does in fact matter. I mean do you want someone who has 8 years of med school, but couldn't quite make it in the end to be your doctor? Or what about someone who can't pass the bar.

In a post-apocalyptic world where there are no doctors, the guys who almost finished med school, paramedics, vets... all of them step up to become doctors.

So yeah, in ordinary circumstances (i.e. in old republic) people who left the Jedi order are really not Jedi. But after the clone wars I think the definition becomes much more inclusive.

Surely by Tano's actions she is jedi in all but name?

Sure, but sometimes the official title does in fact matter. I mean do you want someone who has 8 years of med school, but couldn't quite make it in the end to be your doctor? Or what about someone who can't pass the bar.

In a post-apocalyptic world where there are no doctors, the guys who almost finished med school, paramedics, vets... all of them step up to become doctors.

So yeah, in ordinary circumstances (i.e. in old republic) people who left the Jedi order are really not Jedi. But after the clone wars I think the definition becomes much more inclusive.

But doctoring is about skills and knowledge. The Jedi are about a phillosiphy.

Being a 'good' force user doesnt make you a jedi. Using a lightsaber doesnt make you a jedi.

For instance there is more to being a catholic monk than literacy, living a humble life style, and believing in a higher power. Someone could leave their order, continue to do all these things, but be decidely different from a monk.

Surely by Tano's actions she is jedi in all but name?

Sure, but sometimes the official title does in fact matter. I mean do you want someone who has 8 years of med school, but couldn't quite make it in the end to be your doctor? Or what about someone who can't pass the bar.

In a post-apocalyptic world where there are no doctors, the guys who almost finished med school, paramedics, vets... all of them step up to become doctors.

So yeah, in ordinary circumstances (i.e. in old republic) people who left the Jedi order are really not Jedi. But after the clone wars I think the definition becomes much more inclusive.

But doctoring is about skills and knowledge. The Jedi are about a phillosiphy.

Being a 'good' force user doesnt make you a jedi. Using a lightsaber doesnt make you a jedi.

For instance there is more to being a catholic monk than literacy, living a humble life style, and believing in a higher power. Someone could leave their order, continue to do all these things, but be decidely different from a monk.

Indeed.

Ahsoka is no more a 'Jedi' than Asajj Ventress is a 'Sith'. It's more than just the ability to use the Force, or even the ability to use the Force combined with a thematic direction of HOW to use it.

Someone who can use the Force, and tends to do 'good' with it, but operates on their own, 'looking out for themselves first'...may or may not be a threat to the Empire. You can 'wait and see' on them. On the other hand - someone who has pledged their life to a quasi-spiritual order dedicated to ensuring justice, enforcing peace in the galaxy, and opposing the Dark Side of the Force (IE., an actual, in-name, Jedi )...those you want to hunt down and wipe out as the Empire. They are all going to be problems for you, as is anyone who aspires to join their cause.

And for those Force users who just 'tend to do good', but aren't dedicated to the Jedi order...Yoda isn't going to factor them in when telling Luke he is the last hope to defeat Vader. Yoda won't consider them as reliable as a "true" Jedi, even if he knew some of them who did used to BE Jedi (or Padawans).

Trying to watch this show without having it recorded. Goodness. If you have any doubt this is meant for kids, sit through the commercials.

Did appreciate they showed the new inquisitors in the Tie Adv prototype. Maybe we will get them as pilots if the ship needs a revisit.