Regardless weather he said Old, Cold, Bold, or Gold.... he also said Master. No matter which way you slice it, Maul is going to seduce and convert Ezra to the dark side.

Right, because when the obviously evil dude tells you to call him Master, there are no other options besides saying yes...

Have you ever seen Episode 3?

Unfortunately for the the rebels none of them are Skywalkers or Solo's so their story is going to be largely self contained. They might make an appearance in some of the spin offs that Disney produces but they aren't going to do anything substantial to the main plot line like creating the Knights of Ren.

So..... are you suggesting that the only way someone could create the knights of ren, is if their last name was either Solo or Skywalker? Or for that matter, only Solos and Skywalkers are able to do something significant to the plot? I'm pretty sure The Force Awakens film completely shatters this idea, considering Finn, Snoke, Phasma, Hux, and many more people of significance, were not named Skywalker or Solo.

The entire Star Wars franchise hinges around Skywalkers. They drive the plot points, they are present in every major event. Other characters can certainly accomplish things but all of the big things are done by one or two families. That's just how Space Operas work. Rey is either going to be a Solo or Skywalker so that would make Finn her Chewbacca. Snoke and Hux are villains and Phasma did nothing. The knights of ren might have been a thing before Kylo fell but to think that they'd be based off of A currently underdeveloped character relationship is just silly.

It's not silly at all and I'll explain why.

1) First off, you are giving far too much weight to the significance of the NAME/ORIGIN of this group. the NAME/ORIGIN of some evil organization doesn't have to be tied to the skywalker / solo family any more than the name of the SITH was for the previous movies.

2) Sabine's last name is Wren. Sounds the same when you say it. It easily could be related or could be misdirection... however assuming that the Knights of Ren aren't some ancient religion, Sabine is at an age where she most certainly could have been an inspiration for the name of the group. She may NOT be, but there is enough correlation that such speculation is most certainly not silly .

3) The Entire Star Wars Franchise, most certainly does NOT revolve around the Skywalkers. Thousands of years of history, Old Republic games, an MMO, books, tons of culture and backstory... all millennia before the first Skywalker ever drew breath. And even if you want to strike out all of the EU (Legends) and focus exclusively on the new canon... Well Disney stated that it is only the SAGA films. IE films that have the word EPISODE in front of their title. Expect the ANTHOLOGY films, such as Rogue One, and the other standalone films, to be unrelated to the Skywalker family. So it is only the Star Wars SAGA that focusses on the Skywalkers, not the franchise as a whole. Point and case - Just look at SW Rebels itself.

4) All big things aren't necessarily done by the Skywalkers or Solos. Look at Palpatine. He made the empire. Built two death stars. Look at the Hutts, they've done tons of big things, including the bounty on Han Solo, which heavily influenced the entire plot of all 3 original films. And don't forget LANDO! (Big fan of Lando right here - shame he isn't in Disney Infinity yet).

I do agree with the Rey being a Skywalker or Solo. This would certainly make sense, and if she is NOT a member of the family, then I'll certainly be quite surprised. The Saga films do indeed focus on the Skywalker family, but for something as trivial as the story of how some gang of men in black got their name.... well I'm sorry that is not something the Skywalker family needs to be involved with, and to speculate otherwise is certainly not silly.

but there is enough correlation that such speculation is most certainly not silly .

Sorry but I call silly on it too. Having a non-force user be the founder or even insperation of a group of dark jedi, because her last name sounds sorta like the name of that group... Which could be founded as much as 20+ years later at least a reach of epic proportions.

It's as silly as suggesting there is also a knights of Stimpy.

No more, no less.

Sorry, Sabine isn't that important. She's a cute, pink armoured Mandalorian girl who uses art explosives. Regrettably she is currently the weakest and most underdeveloped character of the group.

Maybe she'll get more exposure/plot lines etc that will change this, if so - great. Maybe she'll be cut from the group/go rogue/die heroicly/stupidly. Great. Maybe we'll get confirmation that she is Bo-Derek's daughter. Great.

Right now though, all she has going for her is the armour and the fact she is a girl, so dads can show their daughters that girls can be space badasses too.

The Entire Star Wars Franchise, most certainly does NOT revolve around the Skywalkers.

I'd say 75% of it does however. KotOR was never really canon, and isn't really part of the Star Wars continuity anyway. It was placed that far back in time so they didn't run into any issues in telling the story they wanted. In many ways the KotOR era is fairly generic sci-fi with Jedi and Sith.

But all the movies, and a large chunk of the EU does in fact revolve around the Skywalker legacy which includes the Solo family.

It goes from Luke and Leia to the twins and ben and so on. There's been a number of stories that don't involve the Skywalker-Solo's in some way but few of them had a huge impact on the overall storyline.

Rebels is a great show and all, but it still has a lot of the Skywalker legacy in it. Vader is the main big bad guy, Asoka is involved, so was Leia.

"Rebels is a great show and all, but it still has a lot of the Skywalker legacy in it. Vader is the main big bad guy, Asoka is involved, so was Leia."

Eh, They are just cameos. That's gonna happen with Rebels.

I guarantee that we'll see Boba Fett at some point. Who here is really willing to bet against that?

It's a much safer assumption that Ben adopted/was given the name Kylo Ren much like Anakin was given Vader. The knights would be his cronies/ friends who fell with him. There is not enough material in rebels for it to sensibly establish something like the knights in the ST 30+ years later. Plus if you go with the train of thought that Ezra makes the Knights then you ultimately end up with him either being Snoke or him dying and his entire order (assumnig its good. It kinda has to be otherwise it makes a poor tribute to a fellow rebel) being corrupted within a generation.

"Rebels is a great show and all, but it still has a lot of the Skywalker legacy in it. Vader is the main big bad guy, Asoka is involved, so was Leia."

Eh, They are just cameos. That's gonna happen with Rebels.

I guarantee that we'll see Boba Fett at some point. Who here is really willing to bet against that?

They already talked about bounty hunters coming to the show. No way that doesn't include the bounty hunter himself!

"Rebels is a great show and all, but it still has a lot of the Skywalker legacy in it. Vader is the main big bad guy, Asoka is involved, so was Leia."

Eh, They are just cameos. That's gonna happen with Rebels.

I guarantee that we'll see Boba Fett at some point. Who here is really willing to bet against that?

They already talked about bounty hunters coming to the show. No way that doesn't include the bounty hunter himself!

So far the Cameos have been good, I have faith they would do Boba right. I really want to see Tarkin again.

Eh, They are just cameos. That's gonna happen with Rebels.

Siege on Lothal was more than a cameo, and Asoka isn't a main character but is a big part of what's going on right now.

Ahsoka yes, but even then she's not OT, she's not OG, she's just a TCW asset being re-used, same as Rex. Vader has to be underused in order to maintain his impact. He can only be a cameo. Leia and Lando are both blatant Cameos.

Boba Fett will also have to be relatively underused for the same reason as Vader. They don't want to make them out as useless. Even the inquisitors they kinda have to handle with care.

Ahsoka yes, but even then she's not OT, she's not OG, she's just a TCW asset being re-used, same as Rex. Vader has to be underused in order to maintain his impact. He can only be a cameo. Leia and Lando are both blatant Cameos.

Boba Fett will also have to be relatively underused for the same reason as Vader. They don't want to make them out as useless. Even the inquisitors they kinda have to handle with care.

This is one of my problems with the cameos. The villains have to fail for the most part so it's no good to make your heavy hitters look like bunglers.

Ahsoka yes, but even then she's not OT, she's not OG, she's just a TCW asset being re-used, same as Rex.

But she was Skywalkers padawan, and has a lot of baggage involving the Skywalker line.

Vader has to be underused in order to maintain his impact.

I agree, but his impact is Huge! He's a major catalyst for what's going on. Plus we don't know how much impact the characters from Rebels is actually going to have. Point is however that the Skywalker line has a huge impact on the events that lead up to and continued after the Battle of Yavin and Endor.

They don't want to make them out as useless.

They kinda did in the Star Wars comic. A blind, untrained Luke took him out. Myself I hope if/when he's in the show Sabine kicks his butt... But that's mostly because I think Fett is quite possibly the single most over hyped character ever, considering what he actually has done.

I could go on... But I deleted a few paragraphs because it would derail this thread yet again.

Ahsoka yes, but even then she's not OT, she's not OG, she's just a TCW asset being re-used, same as Rex. Vader has to be underused in order to maintain his impact. He can only be a cameo. Leia and Lando are both blatant Cameos.

Boba Fett will also have to be relatively underused for the same reason as Vader. They don't want to make them out as useless. Even the inquisitors they kinda have to handle with care.

Calling them reused assets is doing them no justice, it is more the team taking an opportunity to continue the story they were forced to abandon.

I think Boba can be a legitimate threat, because he can be used in a way that doesn't put him in direct opposition to the rebels. He could be targeting someone supporting the rebels and be an unstopable force that eliminates that person despite them trying to save that person, for example. Another angle is of course his mandalorian roots that would maybe even allow the character to form a temporary alliance with the crew for a time. Boba had some nice stories in TCW, it is very likely that that gets expanded on.

Fett is overhyped In the same way that Phasma is.

Both spend all their screen time looking cool then going out like punks.

Say what you want mate, this IS about Rebels. This is in no way derailing the thread as we are talking about these characters actions and how they effect Rebels.

Fett should be a narrow **** escape because of how he's been built up. Vader... Well Vader's impact in the ep's he was in was truly massive, you've got me there. More a force of nature than an individual. Nonetheless, it was a cameo. He can only ever be a cameo. Same as Leia, Lando, Young Han, Boba, Chewie and Jabba the Hutt.

Deathrain: Referring to them as assets was more to make a point that they are not from the OT, their impact is confined to Rebels and the TCW episodes as it stands. I said it too harshly, and I do like those characters.

I'd like to also refer to a new threat level gauge I created specifically for Rebels.

I call it the Phoenix Group Gauge, where a villains threat level can be based on the amount of Phoenix group pilots/ships destroyed within 5 minutes of their appearance.

Vader has like 4 and a Corvette (or was it two?), making him higher than any other threat.

But Rex is in ROTJ!

But Rex is in ROTJ!

When that's officially canonized i'll be there clapping.

But Rex is in ROTJ!

When that's officially canonized i'll be there clapping.

What? Where? I like to think I know the Saga, but I do get surprised from time-to-time.

My morbid thought about Rebels though, how is Kanan and Ezra going to go out? Obi-Wan does say, "... Now the Jedi are all but extinct." Does the show end with the two going into hiding? Hard to believe with Vader facing off on them, he would just leave them.

"Rebels is a great show and all, but it still has a lot of the Skywalker legacy in it. Vader is the main big bad guy, Asoka is involved, so was Leia."

Eh, They are just cameos. That's gonna happen with Rebels.

I would not call what Vader and Ahsoka are in this series cameos.

Lando and Leia's appearances are cameos. Ahsoka and Vader, while not in every episode, are very crucial to the overall plot atm.

Both spend all their screen time looking cool then going out like punks.

Well put.

This is in no way derailing the thread as we are talking about these characters actions and how they effect Rebels.

Sorry I think I wasn't clear. I mean I don't want to derail this thread talking about my opinion about Fett and the abomination they made with him in the EU. Especially in the books written by a fairly controversial EU writer...

What happens to him in Rebels is of course fine, it's the likely non-canon bad fanfic that I worry could derail things.

Vader... Well Vader's impact in the ep's he was in was truly massive, you've got me there. More a force of nature than an individual.

And IMO one of if not the best portrayal of him ever.

Nonetheless, it was a cameo.

I guess that depends on what you mean by cameo. I think Vader will always have a fairly large impact on Rebels in most every season, even if he doesn't get a lot of screen time.

Ahsoka, Id agree on. Vader is a one or two appearance driving force. He's a cameo, and as I have said they are pretty much forced to underuse him to maintain impact. This doesn't stop him from being a cameo. Ahsoka is more recurring guest star.

Obi-Wan does say,

Obi-Wan isn't exactly the most reliable source of facts... He did after all tell Luke that his father was killed by Darth Vader. Kenan isn't technically a Jedi, he was a padawan when order 66 happened so he never took the trials. That means Ezra can never be a Jedi either.

Plus the idea that somehow Obi-Wan and Yoda could make it that long without being discovered but no other Jedi could find a place to hide in the whole galaxy is simply too far fetched.

Kenan and Ezra may die before the end, but I don't think that's a given or need to happen.

"I guess that depends on what you mean by cameo. I think Vader will always have a fairly large impact on Rebels in most every season, even if he doesn't get a lot of screen time."

That's true too. I suspect that like Tarkin every single appearance of Vader will be massive, larger than life. They have to fight and be lucky just to get away, never mind even breaking even.

This is a good thing. The rebels actually have a credible threat.

So yeah, in that context then Cameo might not truly be the right word. But he is certainly not a main character in the series. He's a carefully used narrative tactical nuke.

they are pretty much forced to underuse him to maintain impact.

Yeah if he actually tried to destroy the Rebel in the show, he would either have to do that, or if he failed it would diminish the character a fair amount.

He's a carefully used narrative tactical nuke.

You need to coin that term.

I'll choose to be silent regarding EU Boba Fett., and encourage everyone else to do the same within this thread.

(In other words, I wasn't ignoring that part Vanor :-) )