We are all warriors, children and fools at different points in our lives. Was that not the point?

Hokey religions and ancient weapons. Bunch of mumbo-jumbo says I.

I kinda hope that Kallus does defect and become a good guy.

Redemption against impossible odds is very Star Wars.

Also this.

I kinda hope that Kallus does defect and become a good guy.

Redemption against impossible odds is very Star Wars.

Also this.

And Yay for the TIE Bombers. I think that was their first appearance. Correct me if I'm wrong on that account.

I believe the first full appearance of them. Though a schematic for them showed up in the episode when they were stealing a bunch of data from the Empire.

Yes. You may be right. I think that would have been first season when they were going thru Tsebo's implant.

Yes. You may be right. I think that would have been first season when they were going thru Tsebo's implant.

That's what I was referring to, yes.

I kinda hope that Kallus does defect and become a good guy.

Redemption against impossible odds is very Star Wars.

Also this.

Well hes definitely not a Bad guy know, he hangs around with Rainbow Dash. Mika, and shes easily tied for 1st place out of the most awesome characters in Street Fighter!

I wonder why the writers like changing ship class backgrounds so much? They changed the A-Wing and the B-Wing backgrounds and now they have changed the Quasar Fire class from a civilian bulk cruiser that the rebels often converted into carriers to an Imperial carrier.

There's a discussion on this a few pages back and I believe they even touch on it in the latest Rebels Recon. Its basically because the ship falls into the classic Imperial triangle design rather than organic rebel ship design, but because it was a rebel ship in the old EU they had to somehow make it a rebel ship in the current canon in some way, shape, or form. The A-wing has remained pretty close to the old EU, in which they were R-22 Spearheads pre-Yavin instead of the current canon's RZ-1 A wings. I don't think much has changed with the B-wing's origin other than the time it was designed and the engineer who designed it.

I'm actually pretty happy the Quasar is now an Imperial ship to 'replace' that old floating brick as the Empire's go-to carrier.

A-Wings also show up in SWTFU 2, B-Wings were around during the time SW:Droids was taking place. The history for the A and B are pretty much the same, any diffrences between the two sources can be easily explained. After all the B-Wing in Rebels is a different B-Wing than whats seen in ROTJ. For all we know it was a one of a kind prototype and the project was dropped and then later picked up by Ackbar many years later.

The problem with doing that is it makes a galaxy of billions (at least) sapient beings, the only ones that EVER do anyrhing are people that had 2 seconds or more of screen time in a movie. Ackbar was Tarkin's personal

Slave, designed the b-wing, AND commanded the alliance fleet. Too many things for one character. By divvying these up (or ignoring them) you can focus on a few key details and make a better written character, rather than have every character be two degrees of seperation from any other on screen character.

Space is Really big. There are lots of stories and characters to develop.

Its justifiable though, he is an Admiral for the whole REB fleet, if he requests a specific ship to be made or used for a task that is needed to better help the survival of said fleet, he will be apart of that project even if its purely bureaucratical.

We had three Admiral named Tom in the USN the had a hand in the creation of the F-14, and it was even test flown by an Admiral. So its not a stretch, nor should anyone be surprised, that admirals will get involved with assets essential for their fleets to be successful, and that Akbar will be added to the B-Wing lore later.

There is no way every Imperial soldier or officer was evil but the organization as a whole definitely was. You can argue that Palpatine being evil doesn't make it evil but Palpatine was far from from the only evil Imperial.

True, but at the same time lots of the higher up Imperials were good, including most the Grand Admirals.

And the Palpatine was preparing the galaxy for an impending attack idea is insane or Palpatine was an idiot. Most of the things he did which angered the population enough for the rebellion to gain the strength it had were of little or no help in such a case,

He was burning dead weight, lots of Imperials and Rebs that died in the war were a necessary loss to ensure only the strong and loyal would be running the Empire if he didn't succeed in finding a way to stay in the material world forever. Because of these conflicts, the people that did survive gained lots of combat experience against dissimilar enemies, something that cant be fully replicated in war games. It also helped the scientists and engineers improve modern technology in just about every field of science they had rapidly.

Don't forget with his far sight he could see exactly what needed to be done to have his Empire thrive. Actions that may seem beneficial, or appear more beneficial than what we see Sidious do with his Empire as a outside viewer, probably would back fire in the long run. If Sidious had intended the First DS to be built last, like the Seconded DS, he and a lot of the Empire would be dead. It was no accident Sidious assigned a crap load of Imperial aboard the 1st DS that were spineless or very quick to back stab other Imperials for a percentage. He had foreseen Tarken using the 1st Death Star to kill him along with Coruscant.

Sidious used the attack and loss of the First Death Star as a symbol to both rally the Imperials and to get the Imperial War machine rolling, churning out lots and lots of Imperial ships and weapons that may not had been possible because of politics.

About the only time his Farsight failed was with events concerning the Skywalkers.

As it is, because of how he manipulated events, because he could see how different actions would play out via the force, the Empire did live on after him and he along with Vader are still considered Heros of the Empire.

and revealing the Death Star's power would be utterly moronic. If the Death Star was being planned as a weapon against an impending invasion the Empire would have built it, tested on some dead rock, then hidden it away until the invaders arrived so they would have no idea what hit them when it was deployed.

It would be stupid if he didn't know if the enemy was among him, observing the combat capabilities of the GE in the galaxy they were in. As it is because of the Force, if they did have the ability to see the GE use the DS, ergo the invaders could calculate its combat capabilities, he wouldn't have gone the route he did in the stories involving any DS.

In an ideal world I'd throw Good vs evil duology (sp) into the trash right there with it. Yeah I get it, in context of the movies it's good vs evil, protagonist vs antagonist, but really that can be played with. In the old pre disney EU Palpatine was shown as a complete psychopath growing up if I recall, possibly also a product of his family. A lot of that needs further review.

What if there was this perfect knight. This complete expy of Lancelot Du Lac in Star Wars form. A perfect warrior, no, a Hero. A savior.

What if he/she fought terrorists.

What if those terrorists were the Rebels?

I dunno guys. I really dislike the whole evil empire just because the leader is evil thing. To me it seems overly childish. Morality isn't even shades of grey, it's infinite colour.

I would argue that they are both just as good and just as bad. PLENTY of events have shown that ether elite REB forces are nothing but psychos that have nothing better to do so they join the REB cause for money and because they like fighting in battles they don't have odds at winning, we see REBs going berserk on IMP forces while screaming curses at them, and I am pretty sure they also didn't count lots of those IMPs as "living" combatants just because the were grown in a tube, so that was used as a justification to murder those IMPs while sidestepping any moral issues they would have killing them in inhumane ways.

The Empire was good. It was Sidious that was Evil but out of his actions some good things happened. The way he planed things out shows he did have the GE, which was half - most the galaxies best interest at heart. His End game goals was to live forever in the Material realm, create an Empire that would outlast him, or last as long as him, and destroy the Jedi.

The last objective is a selfish and evil objective. No doubts their, from his point of view though it was just revenge. The jedi had done the same thing to the Sith, or believed they did. Wiped out the Sith and then erased them from all but a few historical records.

His methods for living forever were evil, but it wasn't something he had every member partake in, in fact most Imperials don't even know what a Sith, even some moffs if not most, is and what they practice religiously. If they all did I suppose an argument could be made that every citizen in the Empire was evil.

Also despite the Rebellion, if it didn't exist, there plenty of enemy forces within the Galaxy the GE was regularly fighting, though most wouldn't last as long because of attrition unlike the REBs or ZC, they were unquestionably bad. The Empire protects its citizens from these people. All of Sidious goals may be selfish, but one at least by effect has a positive effect on the galaxy. An Empire that will last a long time, and in effect having it full of loyal hardworking Imperials, most corrupt ones being set up to die, or nullified, in the war with the Rebels or other events.

Because of this, and the fact lots of these Imperials would have experience fighting truly evil forces, the Empire was bound to be run by good people or at the least morally correct people, that won't burn the mass of their own forces down just because they feel like doing evil *** or again, profits. Granted the last point can still lead to people doing grievous things but they are more misguided than they are evil , like how the GE is now in EP7. They wholeheartedly believe the new republic has *** up the galaxy with its corrupt bull ***. They also believe they NEW REP has also transgressed the Empire in some way, I am betting that this belief is cause by a lie the new Empire has fed them.

What is absolutely good and evil is the Jedi and Sith, Light Side and Dark Side. Both sides at one point or another has had these individuals in the GE and REB.

I liked the Old Republic MMO when you played an Imperial Agent for the Sith Empire but played "light side". It pratically showed the government that grew up around a Sith Based Empire, the Government ran smoothly enough, had it's citizen's best interest in mind and wanted peace for the people that live within it's borders. It wasn't a burning paragon of light but it was good in it's intentions. Then the Sith would butt in sometimes and do something insane and completely not good for it's people and the Government would comply but with a begruding acceptance that these evil overlords held the reigns.

True, but at the same time lots of the higher up Imperials were good, including most the Grand Admirals.

Teshik, maybe (though the New Republic still convinced him of war crimes and gave him the death penalty) - but Thrawn was a long way from "good" even with his desire to Save The Galaxy from the Vong - and some of the Grand Admirals were monstrously evil - Pitta and Il-Raz spring to mind.

The Thrawn stuff was an author retconning one of his pet characters. I fail to see how anyone can find Thrawn "good" after his first appearances.

Similar to how Mara really wasn't a Dark Sider, despite essentially being Palpatine's student.

You don't advance in the empire by being a good person.

You don't advance in the empire by being a good person.

Once you start picking out individual officers and following them you realise that most of them are following orders, don't do anything particularly evil (and if they do its ordered by a Sith or Tarkin). It's the normal 'just doing my own job' syndrome....

And if you start with the whole 'allowing an evil to take place is condoning it' then you have to ask why everyone is on the internet talking about star wars not fighting their respective governments for their various evils or protesting against slavery in Africa or what ever else bad is happening this week.

Edit: really though perhaps this conversation should be in the evil thread rather than derailing this one again.

Oooh man! This last episode was good, I liked the nod to the Tarkin book in the writing, though I find it very odd what Zeb chose to do in the end of the episode... Didn't make all that much sense.

"Did you track Zeb's trajectory"

<Chopper Chops>

"Yes we want him back!"

Perhaps... But Captain Needa and Moff Jerjerrod both got fairly far. The first never displayed any sign of evil, but did seem honourable and responsible. The later had risen even higher, and seemed extreamly reluctant to follow the only orders he received which were out and out evil.

Had more to do with "we have troops down there" than "killing a planetful of Ewoks and other sapients would be wrong"

Perhaps... But Captain Needa and Moff Jerjerrod both got fairly far. The first never displayed any sign of evil, but did seem honourable and responsible. The later had risen even higher, and seemed extreamly reluctant to follow the only orders he received which were out and out evil.

Had more to do with "we have troops down there" than "killing a planetful of Ewoks and other sapients would be wrong"

A real amoral person wouldn't mind killing a battalion of his own battle brothers if given the order to do so...!

At the end, where did Agent Kallus' gun splint get to? His room needs posters on the wall. So sad, poor guy.

Is there any EU explanation as to what happened to Geonosis?

Anyways, I loved the episode. Loved the throwback to the Onderon arc. Definitely got the vibe that Kallus now sees the wrong in the Empire, and I felt really bad for him. That whole end scene was really depressing.

Karabast=S**t, confirmed

Good episode, Really like that Kallus is getting some development, I liked his character from the start. Now i'm really curious about Geonosis. The crystals for the Death Star are on Lothal right?

Is there any EU explanation as to what happened to Geonosis?

Anyways, I loved the episode. Loved the throwback to the Onderon arc. Definitely got the vibe that Kallus now sees the wrong in the Empire, and I felt really bad for him. That whole end scene was really depressing.

Karabast=S**t, confirmed

The Darth Vader comic mentioned a sterilization of the queens. So, it sort of ties into that, which is kind of cool.

Good episode, though not quite sold on a potential redemption arc for Kallus.

Is there any EU explanation as to what happened to Geonosis?

Anyways, I loved the episode. Loved the throwback to the Onderon arc. Definitely got the vibe that Kallus now sees the wrong in the Empire, and I felt really bad for him. That whole end scene was really depressing.

Karabast=S**t, confirmed

The Darth Vader comic mentioned a sterilization of the queens. So, it sort of ties into that, which is kind of cool.

Good episode, though not quite sold on a potential redemption arc for Kallus.

He'll probably try doubly hard to show he hasn't changed before finally potentially changing. That's the obvious thing to do at least.

I'm on episode 10 or so. I've enjoyed it so far, I'll try and chime in once I'm caught up since I'd prefer to avoid spoilers.

Is there any EU explanation as to what happened to Geonosis?

Anyways, I loved the episode. Loved the throwback to the Onderon arc. Definitely got the vibe that Kallus now sees the wrong in the Empire, and I felt really bad for him. That whole end scene was really depressing.

Karabast=S**t, confirmed

The Darth Vader comic mentioned a sterilization of the queens. So, it sort of ties into that, which is kind of cool.

Good episode, though not quite sold on a potential redemption arc for Kallus.

He'll probably try doubly hard to show he hasn't changed before finally potentially changing. That's the obvious thing to do at least.

But there's an older Kallus striding an imperial hallway in Xwing so....

So the sterilization of Geonosis was in Tarkin and the Darth Vader comics?