So I think its odd that the rebels Protect Whales, and kill innocent Miners. That bothers me.

also, we get some explanation about the Yellow ties in the Rebels recon, but I don't like the answer.

Ive already stated how I feel about Tie fighter visabilty, I don't think the wings are a problem, becuase the viewport dosen't allow good peripheral vision anyway.

That's just what I think though.

Here's where we get into the whole charged area of agendas, writing, and the politics of the show runners.

I prefer we not go there, even though they are. I wish they weren't. (sigh)

Personally I felt it was a throwaway episode that neither added nor detracted from the series. CW had them too. The one weird thing to me was the comment that they based the origin of hyperspace travel in people watching Tentacle Whales go to light speed. Maybe the spaceflight organs of the Hentaiwhales were what they based hyperdrive technology on. I dunno. Still weird.

Nobody is getting into politics here. Not real world politics anyhow. Sir Orrin favors the Empire, so he's slamming the Rebels for attacking miners, and for valuing animal life over humanoid life. It's role-play. It's not politics.

So I think its odd that the rebels Protect Whales, and kill innocent Miners. That bothers me.

also, we get some explanation about the Yellow ties in the Rebels recon, but I don't like the answer.

Ive already stated how I feel about Tie fighter visabilty, I don't think the wings are a problem, becuase the viewport dosen't allow good peripheral vision anyway.

That's just what I think though.

Here's where we get into the whole charged area of agendas, writing, and the politics of the show runners.

I prefer we not go there, even though they are. I wish they weren't. (sigh)

Personally I felt it was a throwaway episode that neither added nor detracted from the series. CW had them too. The one weird thing to me was the comment that they based the origin of hyperspace travel in people watching Tentacle Whales go to light speed. Maybe the spaceflight organs of the Hentaiwhales were what they based hyperdrive technology on. I dunno. Still weird.

Nobody is getting into politics here. Not real world politics anyhow. Sir Orrin favors the Empire, so he's slamming the Rebels for attacking miners, and for valuing animal life over humanoid life. It's role-play. It's not politics.

People who open fire on you on first sight don't really count as "innocent", anyway.

What really upsets me about this week's episode?

That FFG's 'official tournament rules' prevents me from modding my TIEs like the miners had theirs. It looks good and makes sense.

Too bad I can't do it.

Quick Question from a Rebels noob:

Which current available ships are compatible if I want to run "Rebels-era" games?

I've only watched season 1 but have gleaned from several posts some info I'm looking for in regards to Rebels-era ships that have appeared on screen:

A-wing prototype

B-wing prototype

Ghost/Phantom

CR90 Corvette

TIE Fighter

TIE Advanced (I think Vader is flying his x1)

TIE Advanced prototype

Imperial Assault Carrier

Hound's Tooth

Slave-1 (I guess it counts since it was around during the Clone Wars so it goes to reason that Boba is doing something with it during this time frame)

Have I missed anything else that's appeared in season 2 thus far? Thanks for any help.

Good question, possibly one worth its own thread.

The B6 Blade-Wing is pretty different from the production B-Wing, what with the gunner position and the super laser. Might be interesting to see show up in the game at some point.

There are a couple of small imperial ships from the show, like the Sentinel which could do with making an appearance in xwing as well

Youve basically covered everything in the show there but going from other sources:

A lot of rebels are imperial at this point (I think Dash and Han are both at the academy, or they might have just left) but the generic forms of the yt-1300 (has been flying since before the clone wars) and 2400 (Dash's wasnt new when he was given it, and a generic appears in a new hope) were about so certainly could be used by the rebels.

I also think the famous bounty hunters have their iconic ships at this point, Certainly Slave 1, and the Houndstooth have been flying with their respective owners since the clone wars... but then they all have such convoluted backstories and so few solid points of reference it's a nightmare to narrow down.

The empire is easier to narrow down:

The tie bomber is supposedly in use by the Empire and has been for years, having mostly replaced the older TIE/ground attack (legends) which might still be in use in some backwaters.

While the tie phantom hasnt been developed yet the ship the pre-cloaking device version of the ship the v38 (based on the old dagger starfighter from the clone wars, both legends at this point) may have already been developed in limited numbers but was seen as a failed project... but look at all the prototypes in the show so far.

Tie Punisher.... I'll admit im a bit lost on this one. I thought Juno Eclipse (who left the empire at about this time to help found the rebelion...all LEGENDS obviously) had flown missions with them (or at least the "interdictor" version. But I cant find references to that now, and everything seems to indicate them being a later thing. Perhaps it's just that her old squadron ended up flying them later (hence why her replacement is a named pilot for it).

The Lambda shuttle is already in use alongside the Sentinel. Nothing rules out the TIE Shuttle or tie boarding craft being about either, they were supposedly early modifications, but they havent been exlicitly featured before the battle of yavin (both legends).

The Decimator is painfully short on backstory having essentially only appeared in a couple of games so far. One was supposedly stollen from the death star before the battle of Yavin, so it certainly could be about now, as we have no sources for its construction or developement, certainly it looks more at home with the earlier imperial tech than late.

The raider went into full production in 6bby. One would almost think that FFG specifically wanted it to be around for rebels themed games.

So I think its odd that the rebels Protect Whales, and kill innocent Miners. That bothers me.

also, we get some explanation about the Yellow ties in the Rebels recon, but I don't like the answer.

Ive already stated how I feel about Tie fighter visabilty, I don't think the wings are a problem, becuase the viewport dosen't allow good peripheral vision anyway.

That's just what I think though.

Here's where we get into the whole charged area of agendas, writing, and the politics of the show runners.

I prefer we not go there, even though they are. I wish they weren't. (sigh)

Personally I felt it was a throwaway episode that neither added nor detracted from the series. CW had them too. The one weird thing to me was the comment that they based the origin of hyperspace travel in people watching Tentacle Whales go to light speed. Maybe the spaceflight organs of the Hentaiwhales were what they based hyperdrive technology on. I dunno. Still weird.

Nobody is getting into politics here. Not real world politics anyhow. Sir Orrin favors the Empire, so he's slamming the Rebels for attacking miners, and for valuing animal life over humanoid life. It's role-play. It's not politics.

People who open fire on you on first sight don't really count as "innocent", anyway.

They... They still attacked first.

That's the part that matters.

They... They still attacked first.

That's the part that matters.

Paging Han Solo to this thread for a discussion on why shooting first is a smart idea.

I was really hoping someone would comment on them wearing their plainclothes and helmets in hard vacuum. If that comment had been made, I would then have a hook to suggest that most clothes in the SW galaxy may be made with space in mind, and double as mechanical pressure suits.

Complaints about the Newton-shunning space-whales having tentacles are kinda out of my area of expertise though. =P

I was really hoping someone would comment on them wearing their plainclothes and helmets in hard vacuum.

I assumed that the asteroid has a small amount of atmosphere. As the Mining Guild guys didn't even have masks on.

Yeah, they mentioned that they were in upper atmosphere before jumping, and are presumably all back inside the ship by the time they leave it.

Really liked this and last week's episodes, the pacing slowed a bit but that's fine, can't be all-action all-the-time every week, and the journey through the collapsed star cluster last week has to be one of the most visually stunning scenes in all of CW/Rebels.

It's been a nice few weeks of focus on characters, and on some of the weirdness of the Star Wars universe – which I love. The gradual increase in Ezra's Force powers/connection is obviously leading to something as well, especially given what was in the mid-season trailer.

I just hope they do more with Hera. Everyone else has had a character-focused episode (well, except Chopper!) but aside from the B-wing one, Hera has had nothing and has been consistently sidelined in several episodes. Next week's should amend that, though. The return of Cham Syndulla is a welcome one as well.

I was really hoping someone would comment on them wearing their plainclothes and helmets in hard vacuum. If that comment had been made, I would then have a hook to suggest that most clothes in the SW galaxy may be made with space in mind, and double as mechanical pressure suits.

Complaints about the Newton-shunning space-whales having tentacles are kinda out of my area of expertise though. =P

Possibly. But in the latest Rebels Recon, Pablo Hidalgo makes a bold suggestion. He suggests that in the galaxy that Star Wars takes place, the very laws of physics as we know them may in fact work differently than they do for us here in the Milky Way.

You can call this a cop out if you want but I'm fine with it. To me it's saying they aren't going to go overboard in breaking the rules, like they probably won't have Kanaan naked in space, jumping through hyperspace with his fingertips, and summoning lightsabers into existence though sheer force of will... but they can allow for more simple things to exist, like a little piece of skin being exposes to space, without having to say "Oh yeah, the crew all sprayed this aerosol can of "space-b-gone" onto their bodies before going out into space!

I was really hoping someone would comment on them wearing their plainclothes and helmets in hard vacuum. If that comment had been made, I would then have a hook to suggest that most clothes in the SW galaxy may be made with space in mind, and double as mechanical pressure suits.

Complaints about the Newton-shunning space-whales having tentacles are kinda out of my area of expertise though. =P

Possibly. But in the latest Rebels Recon, Pablo Hidalgo makes a bold suggestion . He suggests that in the galaxy that Star Wars takes place, the very laws of physics as we know them may in fact work differently than they do for us here in the Milky Way.

You can call this a cop out if you want but I'm fine with it. To me it's saying they aren't going to go overboard in breaking the rules, like they probably won't have Kanaan naked in space, jumping through hyperspace with his fingertips, and summoning lightsabers into existence though sheer force of will... but they can allow for more simple things to exist, like a little piece of skin being exposes to space, without having to say "Oh yeah, the crew all sprayed this aerosol can of "space-b-gone" onto their bodies before going out into space!

Didn't we all know that all along? The fighters move like planes since the first movie, lightspeed travel, lightsabers aren't infinite and impractical. Star Wars is a magical universe, thats what I love about it.

Didn't we all know that all along? The fighters move like planes since the first movie, lightspeed travel, lightsabers aren't infinite and impractical. Star Wars is a magical universe, thats what I love about it.

Don't forget the ridiculous amounts of sound we can hear in space in SW.

Didn't we all know that all along? The fighters move like planes since the first movie, lightspeed travel, lightsabers aren't infinite and impractical. Star Wars is a magical universe, thats what I love about it.

Don't forget the ridiculous amounts of sound we can hear in space in SW.

And john williams musical scores follow you where ever you go...

Didn't we all know that all along? The fighters move like planes since the first movie, lightspeed travel, lightsabers aren't infinite and impractical. Star Wars is a magical universe, thats what I love about it.

Don't forget the ridiculous amounts of sound we can hear in space in SW.

And john williams musical scores follow you where ever you go...

KInda awesome, when you think about it...!

I mean...

You can hear sound in space. It isn't deaf the moment you leave the airlock. You just can't hear anything that far away. At all. If you're for some ungodly reason, suitless, and you start knocking on a big metal surface, you'll hear it. Not at all like you do on Earth but you'll hear it, just very faintly.

So, should we hear things as clearly as we do in 98% of Sci-Fi.,?

No.

Should we hear it at all?

Absolutely. The concussive elements that carry soundwaves still exist. They simply act differently or are lesser. Saying there's no sound in space is akin to saying there are no explosions in space. Which is a hilarious thing to say when looking at...

Well, anything that has to do with a star. No, there aren't Michael Bay explosions, but there are still sudden concussive bursts of energy. Just with far, far, far less fire. (present only if there was oxygen previously and only for an extremely brief period.)

I mean...

You can hear sound in space. It isn't deaf the moment you leave the airlock. You just can't hear anything that far away. At all. If you're for some ungodly reason, suitless, and you start knocking on a big metal surface, you'll hear it. Not at all like you do on Earth but you'll hear it, just very faintly.

So, should we hear things as clearly as we do in 98% of Sci-Fi.,?

No.

Should we hear it at all?

Absolutely. The concussive elements that carry soundwaves still exist. They simply act differently or are lesser. Saying there's no sound in space is akin to saying there are no explosions in space. Which is a hilarious thing to say when looking at...

Well, anything that has to do with a star. No, there aren't Michael Bay explosions, but there are still sudden concussive bursts of energy. Just with far, far, far less fire. (present only if there was oxygen previously and only for an extremely brief period.)

Ummm..... kinda? I think, maybe?

If by "concussive elements" you mean particle splash from thrusters and explosions then yes, maybe yes.

If you mean that sound itself (mechanical vibration of particles) can propagate through a vacuum of it's own volition with few if any particles touching to pass it on. . . then no. Maybe, no.

Knocking on a metal surface is different because the sound can travel through, well, you . Up your fingers and down your arm, all the way to your ear. Not sure if it would work suit-less though, too many factors in play.

Possibly. But in the latest Rebels Recon, Pablo Hidalgo makes a bold suggestion. He suggests that in the galaxy that Star Wars takes place, the very laws of physics as we know them may in fact work differently than they do for us here in the Milky Way.

You can call this a cop out if you want but I'm fine with it. To me it's saying they aren't going to go overboard in breaking the rules, like they probably won't have Kanaan naked in space, jumping through hyperspace with his fingertips, and summoning lightsabers into existence though sheer force of will... but they can allow for more simple things to exist, like a little piece of skin being exposes to space, without having to say "Oh yeah, the crew all sprayed this aerosol can of "space-b-gone" onto their bodies before going out into space!

Not quite a cop-out. More a redirection.

Old lore suggested that the Celestials did some galactic architecture with the SW galaxy, and that all of the SW-unique phenomena are symptoms of the galaxy itself. The Force, Hyperspace, many physical constants and alterations cease to function once you leave the edge of the galaxy, and species from without (Vong, etc.) do not usually have connections with the force, or utilize the same FTL methods.

Remember the "Great Hyperspace Disturbance at the Edge of the Galaxy"? I think that the reason you can't leave the galaxy using hyperspace travel isn't because there's a barrier around it, but because SW-style hyperspace ends at the edge. Outside there is just empty, regular, real space.

TLDR, if you can alter local space-time to make FTL for work and pleasure possible, you may also be able to alter a few other pesky physical constants like sound propagation, and laser visibility. It's the not knowing that is bothersome, not the concept. I actually liked Treasure Planet's Aetherium universe quite a bit; whole universe is filled with air, then space acts more like an ocean.

(Air-filled universes have the aesthetically pleasing side-effect of being entirely-with-no-gaps made of nebulae .)

What you want space to be:

What space is:

Yeaaaah, that speck is earth.

They really should install a sign on a balloon at the Kármán line reading: Abandon all hope ye who venture here.

What you want space to be:

What space is:

Yeaaaah, that speck is earth.

They really should install a sign on a balloon at the Kármán line reading: Abandon all hope ye who venture here.

Now hold on- I like Space the way it is.

Rebels has taken some rightful flak a few times from it's "shying away" of folks actually getting killed.

Huh?

People getting beheaded, people getting kicked off catwalks into bottomless chasms, people committing SUICIDE!, people the heroes are supposed to rescue getting blown up, stormtroopers getting eaten by monsters.

I'd say Rebels has been every bit as graphic as Clone Wars was, and I was SHOCKED at some of the stuff CW got away with.

They... They still attacked first.

That's the part that matters.

Paging Han Solo to this thread for a discussion on why shooting first is a smart idea.

Han Solo was threatened first. He didn't just start firing as soon as Greedo showed up. Plus, he knew who Greedo was and knew what he was likely to do. The same can't be said for those mining guild TIE pilots. They were sent after the pergil, saw a freighter, and started firing on them without even hailing them. Seems kind of stupid, really, because that could have been a potential customer for them...

That pic with the guy looking at the nebula is really rad.

I made a thread about this in the off-topic forum, but I think one semi-reasonable explanation to the way space works in SW, is that their space isn't complete vacuum like ours (yes, I know, it's not TOTAL vacuum, but still), but rather filled with a thin, invisible gassy substance, making sound travel, ships working like airplanes and all that.