Congratulations Dave Filoni. You have broken Star Wars. Luke and Leia were the "hope", and Luke was the last jedi. Not Ashoka, not Sabine and not Ezra. Plus, you now introduced The Battle for Lothal as the first Rebellion Victory, not Scarif. I can't believe Kathleen Kennedy signed off and allowed this nonsense to happen.
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8 minutes ago, Cannon3 said:Congratulations Dave Filoni. You have broken Star Wars. Luke and Leia were the "hope", and Luke was the last jedi. Not Ashoka, not Sabine and not Ezra. Plus, you now introduced The Battle for Lothal as the first Rebellion Victory, not Scarif. I can't believe Kathleen Kennedy signed off and allowed this nonsense to happen.
Look the Thrawn stuff was complete and utter BULL along with their resolution of the Imperial occupation of Lothal. Horribly done.
However they were'nt apart of the rebel alliance. Rebellions can have victories as long as they're entirely separate from the Alliance, which was the case here.
Ashoka, Sabine, and Ezra are clearly not the chosen ones. That doesn't change.
The Ahsoka stuff somewhat boggles my mind, after all where was she to fight the Emperor and Vader? Where was she to help Luke? Saying it wasnt her destiny doesnt cut it for me BUT unlike Thrawn I don't think it diminishes anyone's character.
Life finds a way. The Force probably helps as well. Though, I do have... questions about how the genetics worked with Jacen. Just not what I expected. Though it would explain why Hera is where she is in the Aphra comic, rather than the front lines.
Good to see Zeb/Kallus was also endgame. He took him to meet the family.
Good, satisfying finale. With plenty of callbacks.
And it is important to remember, no matter how powerful Kanan, Ezra, or Ahsoka were, they were never the "last hope" of Yoda or Obi-wan. Even if they were around in the OT, they were never going to defeat Vader.
46 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:Loved that finale and I'm excited for what comes next.
It really makes me wish we could have seen a true ending for Clone Wars animated though.
It would have been utter chaos.
we would have loved it.
Ashoka the not-Jedi and Rex taking on Maul and his Death Watch commandos. Order 66 going down in the middle. Rex ending up not betraying ashoka, getting his chip removed. The fight to escape from both sides. Eventually teaming up with maul to escape as the clone troopers end up winning and the new empire descends to enforce martial law on the citizens of mandalore.
Not to mention the 501st given Ahsoka's markings for that final mission.
32 minutes ago, Cannon3 said:Congratulations Dave Filoni. You have broken Star Wars. Luke and Leia were the "hope", and Luke was the last jedi. Not Ashoka, not Sabine and not Ezra. Plus, you now introduced The Battle for Lothal as the first Rebellion Victory, not Scarif. I can't believe Kathleen Kennedy signed off and allowed this nonsense to happen.
Amazing. Every word you just said... was wrong.
Ashoka walked away from the order, and has not considered herself a Jedi since the Clone Wars.
Ezra has been missing for years. Who knows how that story ends, and whether he can even be considered a Jedi then? It is clearly not his destiny to help rebuild the Jedi Order as it was Luke's and is now Rey's.
And the Rebellion had nothing to do with the Battle for Lothal. They explicitly say that the Rebel Alliance is not involved.
Edit: Side note. I absolutely LOVE the fact that the creatures win in the end. Thrawn being thwarted by creatures without "art" or a "culture" that he can deconstruct is so, incredibly fitting.
He may have not said "But it was so artistically done," but honestly... it fits better here than it did in his eponymous trilogy. You can almost see it in his eyes.
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And now we know the fate of the crew of the ghost
Well we now know what happened to the crew of the ghost So I'm going to spoil the episode a little bit if that's okay here Space Whales come in to save the day to really hammer in the whole mysticism vs technology that this series has been kinda about since the beginning
Thrawn likely survived (confirmed from outside sources) so he will return with his bestie Palleon getting name dropped
Twileks and Humans CAN have kids which surprised me actually. Hera survived and even fought on endor Speaking of Endor.
Old rebel with beard is all but confirmed to be Rex
Ezra is likely alive and going to be the subject of a few novels on the edges of space with him and Thrawn and Ahsoka (yes confirmed to make it to the end) and Sabine probably going all mystic force hunting similar to how Luke has been portrayed doing in the past few books
Zeb and Kallus survive to be together on Zeb's planet after the war (living happily ever after)
In short pretty expected finale, i actually am surprised at how many of the characters made it out but I suppose they didn't want to take away from Ezra here.
I look forward to the books going a little more crazy with the mystical aspects of the force since Ahsoka looks all sage like (and Gandalf the white-ish) and I think Ezra being lost in the force is a cool story concept.
I do think they waved away a little too easily the first major rebel victory line by justifying that this was done outside the rebellion but -shrugs-
Overall i really enjoyed the series and look forward to how it expands further the universe which I think overall this series and new star wars seems keen on doing, My problem with the Old EU was that everything had an explanation and had to be connected to the same 4 characters. If you weren't a jedi you didn't get the force and if you weren't a Skywalker/Solo/Kenobi you did nothing important.
With the reveal that Rey isn't a particular name and the introduction of other characters making major changes outside of the movies they cracked what limited Star Wars before and now I really really want to do a ffg campaign that even focuses on the force, something that I previously found extremely boring for the reasons that it all was super explained and kinda limited. In fact before the new movies and series i thought that Jedi and force users were kinda overall boring characters but now with the more mystical aspects of the force added into it again as well as the air of mystery behind everything around it it could be fun to see characters really attempt to explore the force
We've seen human Twi'lek hybrids before and Hera's kid didn't look right. He doesn't have head tails
So the great Grand Admiral just poofs away. This is heresy. Long live the Empire.
48 minutes ago, WAC47 said:Amazing. Every word you just said... was wrong.
Ashoka walked away from the order, and has not considered herself a Jedi since the Clone Wars.
Ezra has been missing for years. Who knows how that story ends, and whether he can even be considered a Jedi then? It is clearly not his destiny to help rebuild the Jedi Order as it was Luke's and is now Rey's.
And the Rebellion had nothing to do with the Battle for Lothal. They explicitly say that the Rebel Alliance is not involved.
Edit: Side note. I absolutely LOVE the fact that the creatures win in the end. Thrawn being thwarted by creatures without "art" or a "culture" that he can deconstruct is so, incredibly fitting.
He may have not said "But it was so artistically done," but honestly... it fits better here than it did in his eponymous trilogy. You can almost see it in his eyes.
Agreed. Loved the finale. Great ending to the series. One thing that hit me much harder than I thought it would...
The death of Gregor had me in tears when he said his good bye to Rex. Caught me by surprise how hard it hit me.
2 hours ago, Forresto said:The Ahsoka stuff somewhat boggles my mind, after all where was she to fight the Emperor and Vader?
As a Gamemaster, I’ve told my players this since 1987.
Star Wars is Space Opera.
The Galaxy is VAST. In every conceivable way.
There is much to explore, both within and without, form the personal journeys of your charatercs and those of your group. Then we look outward and beyond, from the back alleys under the Twin Suns of Tatooine to the towering halls of Imperial Center (now Coruscant).
But realize that not all threats are Sector level or even planet spanning, not all opponents are Imperial, or Sith, or Crime lords, not all stakes are always do or die.
Not all Heroes are Rebels, not all who adhere to Imperial Law are Villains.
Let the Skywalkers have their story, let us have a fun time telling ours.
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Master and Apprentice
The purrgils are kind of a Chekov's gun thing more than a Deus Ex Machina. Add this to the Bendu's statement in Zero Hour and well... I hope Thrawn is still alive, because he's definitely someone I think we could get more mileage.
I mean, it would have been good to call back to Ezra's connection to them more recently, but a technologically superior for being blindside by primitive technology or even monsters is extremely Star Wars.
Really, Thrawn had to be beaten by something he'd no way to account for. It's not satisfying per se, but the problem with Thrawn is Star Wars rarely produces heroes who are also strategic chess-masters and tbh Star Wars is least Star Wars-y when it tries to emulate military sci fi.
Also, Thrawn was a stone cold monster in this episode and I loved it. I feel like Thrawn is still a "work in progress", especially with them dropping his old pal Pellaeon in. That whole scene between Ezra and Thrawn was intense and I want to see more of Thrawn trying to understand the Force. I can definitely see his encounter with both the Bendu and the purrgil being something he learns from.
Also, I loved Kallus ending up living amongst the Lasat.
Also liked the little bit of semantic shenanigans that mean Lothal wasn't a Rebel victory. I guess the Spectres were technically rebels amongst the Rebels =p
Pour one out for Gregory, my dude has seen too much. Choked up at his line about dying for something he chose to fight for. Filoni et al really GET how to write interesting clones.
I wonder if the next series is going to be Resistance Era but follow on from that ending we saw. Also, absolutely dig Ahsoka's look at the end.
Also Kanan and Hera confirmed for doin' the do. ( Although I was confused for a moment and was like... Rex? YOU OLD DOG YOU)
Edited by KtanOn 03/03/2018 at 10:48 PM, Ktan said:*Also, I know causality doesn't matter in Star Wars and Pablo Hidalgo has said as much but Hyperspace being a realm where you travel though space AND time does somewhat resolve the fact that whenever you go faster than light you are travelling back in time. So hyperspace naturally "adjusts" for any discrepancy in temporal position.
Sorry. Physicist going off the deep end on wild speculation now.
I remember some comment about the hyperdrive 'rings' including stasis generators in the DK books, actually.
On 04/03/2018 at 12:07 PM, Captain Lackwit said:OH WOW.
Indeed.
On 04/03/2018 at 4:25 PM, That Blasted Samophlange said:As much as I like Max Von Sidow, you could do SO much with a Doctor Aphra series in the same vein.
I'd agree with "why not both?".
Until we know how her story resolves, there's no inherent reason they couldn't end up working together. Not whilst Vader's around, of course.
Looking back over some previous comments I missed
Yeah, Thrawn and Ezra confirmed for alive by Word of God. Hadn't seen Rebels Recon when I first posted.
Also, it's reasonable to ask where Ahsoka was during OT but I feel like that's something that the followup series might well answer, especially if it's about the Resistance era. I mean, if Ahsoka ended up on Malachor again she's kind of stuck there for a while. At this point only Ezra knew she was even alive. I think that's being left deliberately vague.
I liked Filoni's comment about wanting to do a post credit scene showing Thrawn and Ezra alive, but not wanting to lock into anything. I don't agree with every story decision he makes, but what I can't dispute he knows what he's doing and how to weave an arc.
His comment about wanting to continue to tell stories like the ones George Lucas would like to tell was nice as well. Rebels isn't perfect but it feels authentic to what a lot of what Star Wars is about.
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4 hours ago, Forresto said:We've seen human Twi'lek hybrids before and Hera's kid didn't look right. He doesn't have head tails
Maybe the "amount of inherited genes" from one side or the other can vary considerably. We see a kid with near-normal-length head tails, and a kid with very short head tails - a kid with no head-tails at all is an interesting extension of the idea.
He at least has oddly colored hair as a hint that he's not just a regular human kid who has been adopted.
We don't know how hybridisation works between Twi'Leks and there not really a precedent in nature we can look to.
(Hybridisation exists, some are even fertile, but they are usually animals VERY similar and, of course, from the SAME planet. Unless we've got some people walking around with sector DNA in them who are keeping quiet.)
Also, IIRC were those kids technically not the clones'? I see to recall there was a discussion or implication that the Clone actually adopted the kids when he met the mother. I can't recall though.
Maybe Jedi gametes just are packed with midichlorians and they select for genetic traits closer to the Jedi. Life finds a way =p
Oh my God.
This was so astonishingly atrocious I still can't believe it happened. It's impossible someone wrote, greenlit, animated, and aired this episode. I must be in a nightmare, it can't be true.
Edited by eMeM1 hour ago, Ktan said:We don't know how hybridisation works between Twi'Leks and there not really a precedent in nature we can look to.
(Hybridisation exists, some are even fertile, but they are usually animals VERY similar and, of course, from the SAME planet. Unless we've got some people walking around with sector DNA in them who are keeping quiet.)
Also, IIRC were those kids technically not the clones'? I see to recall there was a discussion or implication that the Clone actually adopted the kids when he met the mother. I can't recall though.
Maybe Jedi gametes just are packed with midichlorians and they select for genetic traits closer to the Jedi. Life finds a way =p
Clones are sterile, and the kids would have to be 1-2 years old. They were human-Twi'lek hybrids but not the Deserter's biological children.
5 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:
All good things ...
- I love confirmation that ‘A Fool’s Hope’ is taken from Gandalf’s line from the Lord of the Rings.
- Last year I reported that Director Krennic was being considered for an appearance and there is mention of this.
- The Dreadnaught is actually from 1989 and not 1990. Yes I out Trivia’d Star Wars.com
The Bendu was trolling Thrawn.
”I see your defeat, like many arms in a cold embrace.”
I really wanted Thrawn’s last words to mirror his in the novel,
“But it was so, artistically done.”
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He's not dead, so you may yet get your wish =)
The purrgil are no more a deus ex machina than the Ewoks. Ezra recognized that they were not a threat, but simply trying to survive. He saw their sentience and their value. And that understanding was reciprocated. So sure, we didn't see them again, but it's not like they just showed up out of nowhere. The seed for this was planted back in "The Call."
I loved how this took Ezra and Thrawn off the stage for the OT without completely removing them from the story. And you can still fit Heir to the Empire Thrawn into this continuity if you can't let it go in your head.
I'm guessing Kanan and Hera were "friends with benefits" before Hera declared her love for him? Because that's the only way Jacen being Kanan's kid makes any sense. They had no alone time after she told him she loved him. And if that's the case, Hera was pregnant at the very least through those last few episodes. Heck, that may have been part of what convinced her she loved him.
And yes, want the Ahsoka the White and Sabine Adventures right now.
Oh, and I also liked how this sort of functioned as a nice bow on Clone Wars, with the Clones being able to fight alongside a Jedi one last time.
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