STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!

By KCDodger, in X-Wing

If we get a sequel trilogy series I'd set it around the time period Bloodlines is set, maybe right afterwards with the beginning years of the Resistance.

I would love a detective style series plotline where the characters don't really know what the First Order are and are simultaneously attempting to find out whilst preparing for a war.

I want the serial based character driven style of rebels with the scale of the Clone Wars.

Lets see the New Republic, maybe the Imperial Remanent (they supposedly exist in a neutered state), and all the neutral planets. The New Republic only controlled a third of the galaxy with many systems refusing to join.

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2 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Then after that period we have a whole bunch of ineptitude and peace until we get around to Bloodlines with the Resistance forming in 28 ABY with TFA taking place in 34 ABY. They could set the show during that period but I would think all engagements would have to be kept relatively small since they can't bring any concrete evidence of the First Order to the New Republic to prove they were any kind of actual threat.

I'm not sure that's really true. At least some of the material covering that period seems to indicate that there is very much an obvious threat from the First Order, but that the level of corruption in the New Republic senate (including Senators clearly and directly working for the First Order) prevent any action being taken.

So you could have the series see this rising tension, evidence of ongoing corruption in the Senate, increasing attacks from the First Order being dismissed, and the Resistance forming.

47 minutes ago, xanderf said:

I'm not sure that's really true. At least some of the material covering that period seems to indicate that there is very much an obvious threat from the First Order, but that the level of corruption in the New Republic senate (including Senators clearly and directly working for the First Order) prevent any action being taken.

So you could have the series see this rising tension, evidence of ongoing corruption in the Senate, increasing attacks from the First Order being dismissed, and the Resistance forming.

Fair point, that is rather true based off of what we see in Bloodlines. You think though that the Resistance would be bigger than it is, maybe down the line it will with there being a number of different Resistance cells. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of how the ST is basically just becoming OT with new characters with how things seem to be going.

If they do a show, out of curiosity for everyone, what is more popular a single focused show like Rebels or one more like Clone Wars with episode arcs? It would be interesting to see different cells working and doing different missions. Though, I have to wonder if the budget for their show would allow it? I know that Clone Wars got to do bunches of stuff just because Lucas liked it and threw money at it but based off Rebels I feel they very much have to work around their budget at times.

2 hours ago, Forresto said:

If we get a sequel trilogy series I'd set it around the time period Bloodlines is set, maybe right afterwards with the beginning years of the Resistance.

I would love a detective style series plotline where the characters don't really know what the First Order are and are simultaneously attempting to find out whilst preparing for a war.

I want the serial based character driven style of rebels with the scale of the Clone Wars.

Lets see the New Republic, maybe the Imperial Remanent (they supposedly exist in a neutered state), and all the neutral planets. The New Republic only controlled a third of the galaxy with many systems refusing to join.

I don't recall anything about an imperial proper remnant, where was that mentioned? Sounds interesting, especially what kind of relations they'd have to the FO. Allies, enemies, uneasy truce, subordination?

There's one scheduled that's Ahsoka and Padme, so I think they can be anywhere in the timeline. This could easily be set before the end of season 4.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

http://www.starwars.com/news/rebels-tie-fighter-trouble-in-star-wars-forces-of-destiny-hera-exclusive-preview

Kanan mentioned here.

Most of the Forces of Destiny stuff is post-rebels, right?

I honestly haven’t kept track of it, so I’m unsure...

This is bizarre... because according to the synopsis of the next 2 episodes like others have posted.

It really looks like Kanan is going to die in the next episode when he goes to rescue Hera. So that means...

A) This comic takes place in the past.

B) There is a new crew member named Kanan - (Hera can't get pregnant from Kanan can she?)

C) Maybe Kanan doesn't truly die - perhaps he's just taken. Maybe wounded, maybe confined to a bed. Maybe taken alive by Darth Vader - Maybe taken by Thrawn and sent to aid the Chiss?

On 1/15/2018 at 1:50 AM, Admiral Deathrain said:

I don't recall anything about an imperial proper remnant, where was that mentioned? Sounds interesting, especially what kind of relations they'd have to the FO. Allies, enemies, uneasy truce, subordination?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_remnants

So far there is nothing to state the Imperial Remnants aren't still around by The Last Jedi given that we know the New Republic only controls a fraction of the space held by the Old republic.

I guess they weren't enough of a threat for the New Republic to warrant Mothma's demilitarization efforts.

Still the door is wide open for a ton of stories involving them and I hope some author writing in the sequel trilogy doesn't squash that potential.

I would love some conflict with the Empire post Jakku just as the Empire had to mop up the Sepertist holdouts years after the end of the Clone Wars.

11 hours ago, Crabbok said:

This is bizarre... because according to the synopsis of the next 2 episodes like others have posted.

It really looks like Kanan is going to die in the next episode when he goes to rescue Hera. So that means...

A) This comic takes place in the past.

B) There is a new crew member named Kanan - (Hera can't get pregnant from Kanan can she?)

C) Maybe Kanan doesn't truly die - perhaps he's just taken. Maybe wounded, maybe confined to a bed. Maybe taken alive by Darth Vader - Maybe taken by Thrawn and sent to aid the Chiss?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jek_Lawquane

Actually, yes, she can.

Which is bizzare and makes no sense biologicallt but then again if Star Trek can have mixed species kids repeatedly then why can't Star Wars, which is far less scientific.

3 hours ago, Forresto said:

Which is bizzare and makes no sense biologicallt but then again if Star Trek can have mixed species kids repeatedly then why can't Star Wars, which is far less scientific.

It's not unheard of. Different species can breed with each other as long as the are compatible enough , even when some times they produce mules , that is, sterile offsprings that cannot breed again.

For example:

  • Lions, jaguars, leopards and tigers
  • Horses, zebras, and donkeys
  • Sheep and goats
  • Coyotes, wolves, dogs
  • Orcas and dolphins
  • Cows, yaks, bisons, and buffalos
  • Camels and llamas

Even we, cromagnons, were able to breed with neanderthals back when there were any of those around.

The different humanoid species in the Star Wars galaxy seem to be close enough genetically to be compatible. After all, they are all basically one make-up session away from being able to pretend they are any of the other species, right? :D

I guess we need to assume that all the humanoid species in Star Wars share a common ancestor. This would fit with the panspermia hypothesis.

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 10:50 PM, Admiral Deathrain said:

I don't recall anything about an imperial proper remnant, where was that mentioned? Sounds interesting, especially what kind of relations they'd have to the FO. Allies, enemies, uneasy truce, subordination?

Books and other material, mostly.

As to the status - basically all of the first 3 (from various elements of the Imperial Remnant's perspective - the key factor defining the scattered remains of the Empire is that it's not ONE organized entity and each will have their own take on the events of the galaxy), or the 4th (from the First Order's perspective).

8 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Eh...*where* is Kanan mentioned? I see no reference to Kanan ...

Third panel.

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10 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Eh...*where* is Kanan mentioned? I see no reference to Kanan...

third panel:

forces-of-destiny-comic-hera09.jpg

however, i'm not seeing anything that dates the comic explicitly to after the show ends.

the FoD stuff is set all over the timeline, so without more details we can't say for sure yet.

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17 hours ago, Crabbok said:

B) There is a new crew member named Kanan - (Hera can't get pregnant from Kanan can she?

Yes she can. Twillic can have children with humans, this had been established in TCW with the deserter having a sweet little daughter.

5 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Yes she can. Twillic can have children with humans, this had been established in TCW with the deserter having a sweet little daughter.

Yes and no. While those two children are half-human/half Twi'lek, they are not his children.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaeeah_Lawquane

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jek_Lawquane

The events of The Deserter take place only a few months into the war, and he deserted during the war.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cut_Lawquane

8 hours ago, Azrapse said:

It's not unheard of. Different species can breed with each other as long as the are compatible enough , even when some times they produce mules , that is, sterile offsprings that cannot breed again.

For example:

  • Lions, jaguars, leopards and tigers
  • Horses, zebras, and donkeys
  • Sheep and goats
  • Coyotes, wolves, dogs
  • Orcas and dolphins
  • Cows, yaks, bisons, and buffalos
  • Camels and llamas

Even we, cromagnons, were able to breed with neanderthals back when there were any of those around.

The different humanoid species in the Star Wars galaxy seem to be close enough genetically to be compatible. After all, they are all basically one make-up session away from being able to pretend they are any of the other species, right? :D

I guess we need to assume that all the humanoid species in Star Wars share a common ancestor. This would fit with the panspermia hypothesis.

They could but then they'd be gipping off Star Trek since an episode of TNG (a really good one I might add) explains that many alien species share a common ancestor in a progenitor race that seeded parts of the galaxy.

Its kind've funny and cleverly done because they simultaneously explain one of the long running jokes about Star Trek alien makeup (alien of the week = Various nose ridges of the week) and create an analogy to humanity sharing a common origin and how we should all be getting along despite our differences.

Then of course Star Trek is also currently working through a Panspermia storyline on Discovery (BTW not a major spoiler.)

Anyways I don't think I'd want Star Wars to ever explain it lol, science is not its forte, but I can live with the humanoid factor. As you said close enough however if I see any Hutt-Human hybrids then I grab my pitchfork :P

The series that really needs to be done next after Rebels is done.

The Old Republic

Set 1,040 years before the Phantom Menace the galaxy is in chaos and turmoil. The Old Republic is crumbling. The Mandalorians are at the height of their power, the Zygerrians and Hutt clans are running rampant, and the Sith-Jedi Wars are about to begin as are the Republic-Mandalorian wars.

The potential in the canonical lore of a show in this era is phenomenal with so many important events fundamental to Star Wars's lore that occur in this decade. The Galactic Republic is reorganized and the capital moved to Coruscant, the galactic senate is founded, the Sith are eradicated to only Darth Bane who then starts the rule of two, Mandalore is glassed and made barren and inhospitable.

Man Kanata, Revan, and even Snoke could be mentioned or show up. Takodana is the sight of a major battle between the Sith and the Jedi.

This decade is the lynchpin in the entire Star Wars lore that connects and effects and touches every story without altering anything. It merely expounds and visualizes upon what we already know. If this isnt at the very least a planned animated series, or game series then someone at Lucasfilm needs to be smacked.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Republic

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1 hour ago, Forresto said:

The series that really needs to be done next after Rebels is done.

The Old Republic

Set 1,040 years before the Phantom Menace the galaxy is in chaos and turmoil. The Old Republic is crumbling. The Mandalorians are at the height of their power, the Zygerrians and Hutt clans are running rampant, and the Sith-Jedi Wars are about to begin as are the Republic-Mandalorian wars.

The potential in the canonical lore of a show in this era is phenomenal with so many important events fundamental to Star Wars's lore that occur in this decade. The Galactic Republic is reorganized and the capital moved to Coruscant, the galactic senate is founded, the Sith are eradicated to only Darth Bane who then starts the rule of two, Mandalore is glassed and made barren and inhospitable.

Man Kanata, Revan, and even Snoke could be mentioned or show up. Takodana is the sight of a major battle between the Sith and the Jedi.

This decade is the lynchpin in the entire Star Wars lore that connects and effects and touches every story without altering anything. It merely expounds and visualizes upon what we already know. If this isnt at the very least a planned animated series, or game series then someone at Lucasfilm needs to be smacked.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Republic

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the Mouse Canon, but a lot of these events occurred thousands of years before the date you specify. Revan, the Mandalorian Wars, the capital being Coruscant, the foundation of the Senate, etc all occurred millennia before the 1000-1100 BBY mark. I could see some of this if they decided to cover the Ruusan Reformation, but is there any indication that those events are even considered canon by Disney?

I will agree that Disney should focus its efforts on the Old Republic era. I'd like that a whole lot more than more ST stuff.

11 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the Mouse Canon, but a lot of these events occurred thousands of years before the date you specify. Revan, the Mandalorian Wars, the capital being Coruscant, the foundation of the Senate, etc all occurred millennia before the 1000-1100 BBY mark. I could see some of this if they decided to cover the Ruusan Reformation, but is there any indication that those events are even considered canon by Disney?

I will agree that Disney should focus its efforts on the Old Republic era. I'd like that a whole lot more than more ST stuff.

In the new canon there is no millennia of conflict, most of that has been pushed up to the time I mentioned, 1,040 BBY. Which is why that decade up to 1,032 is essentially everything that's important from that era. From the Mando Wars to the Sith Wars and the near eradication of the Sith, now happens in those eight years.

That's compelling stuff.

Now there is the hundred years of darkness prior to this where darksiders break from the Jedi and form the Sith but other then that its currently uneventful.

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2 hours ago, Forresto said:

The series that really needs to be done next after Rebels is done.

The Old Republic

Set 1,040 years before the Phantom Menace the galaxy is in chaos and turmoil. The Old Republic is crumbling. The Mandalorians are at the height of their power, the Zygerrians and Hutt clans are running rampant, and the Sith-Jedi Wars are about to begin as are the Republic-Mandalorian wars.

The potential in the canonical lore of a show in this era is phenomenal with so many important events fundamental to Star Wars's lore that occur in this decade. The Galactic Republic is reorganized and the capital moved to Coruscant, the galactic senate is founded, the Sith are eradicated to only Darth Bane who then starts the rule of two, Mandalore is glassed and made barren and inhospitable.

Man Kanata , Revan, and even Snoke could be mentioned or show up. Takodana is the sight of a major battle between the Sith and the Jedi.

This decade is the lynchpin in the entire Star Wars lore that connects and effects and touches every story without altering anything. It merely expounds and visualizes upon what we already know. If this isnt at the very least a planned animated series, or game series then someone at Lucasfilm needs to be smacked.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Republic

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1 hour ago, Forresto said:

In the new canon there is no millennia of conflict, most of that has been pushed up to the time I mentioned, 1,040 BBY. Which is why that decade up to 1,032 is essentially everything that's important from that era. From the Mando Wars to the Sith Wars and the near eradication of the Sith, now happens in those eight years.

That's compelling stuff.

Now there is the hundred years of darkness prior to this where darksiders break from the Jedi and form the Sith but other then that its currently uneventful.

Given that there was a Sith Temple on Coruscant some 5000 years before the present ( Tarkin newcanon novel) - the wars appear to last a long time in the newcanon as well.

The version of Complete Locations that was updated to the newcanon a couple of years ago, also references it:

"The heart and home of the Jedi Order, the Jedi Temple was reclaimed from Sith usurpers some 1000 years ago - seemingly ending a cycle of victories and defeats that stretched back for millennia."

20 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

Given that there was a Sith Temple on Coruscant some 5000 years before the present ( Tarkin newcanon novel) - the wars appear to last a long time in the newcanon as well.

The version of Complete Locations that was updated to the newcanon a couple of years ago, also references it:

"The heart and home of the Jedi Order, the Jedi Temple was reclaimed from Sith usurpers some 1000 years ago - seemingly ending a cycle of victories and defeats that stretched back for millennia."

You're absolutely right. I just looked it up myself and some of the prior details make more sense.

Well nonetheless the era I mention would be the final conflict between the Jedi and Sith until the Sith undo the Order in Revenge of the Sith.

I'm very glad this is true. After all a millennia isn't that long when you look at human history.

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If they ever do Old Republic content, which I'd be against in its current state, ESPECIALLY visually, I'm all for it if they strike a zero off the years since, mess with a few bits of the setting, and can actually do the characters we know and love some justice.