8 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Here is the true Elite.

You got the extra guns and shields represented. The boost and evade actions represent it's improved maneuverability. And a system slot just for how advanced the ship is.

Your ideas get progressively more op with each iteration.

I sometimes feel that there are a group of people who will not be happy with the TIE Defender until one can solo 100pts of the next best ship in the game and you can get eight of them in a squad. It’s a cool ship and all (from TIE Fighter I like it better than the gunboat personally) but it’s abilities from that game are blown way out of proportion. I remember popping them like candy in an X-Wing playing XvT.

17 hours ago, Ktan said:

I kinda enjoyed Thrawn calmly standing there shooting at the TIE. Reminds me of a quote from a British officer at Gallipoli, who said "Don't bother ducking, the men don't like it and it doesn't do any good..."

Okay, so maybe those were said to be his last words as he died, but it's still a cool quote.

And there's something cool about Thrawn standing there calmly while everything is going to bits around him. I like to think he knows the spread of the Defenrders weapon, and knows his target profile would be too narrow for him to be hit. That's is why he was so calm about it, he was playing a psychological game of chicken with Ezra. I'm fully willing to play the Rule of Cool card on this one, much as a tactically unsound choice it was.

It reminded me of this scene from Patton:

Is it the first time they have shown Hera without the headphones?
Are those... horns... hers or part of her headgear?
Do twileks have ears?

1 hour ago, Azrapse said:

Is it the first time they have shown Hera without the headphones?
Are those... horns... hers or part of her headgear?
Do twileks have ears?

Male twi’leks have ears, females have horns, seemingly.

1 hour ago, Azrapse said:

Is it the first time they have shown Hera without the headphones?
Are those... horns... hers or part of her headgear?
Do twileks have ears?

Blame Oola, she is the entire reason female Twi'leks have horns/cones for ears seeing how people mistook her head ornament/ear cuffs as her actual ears and then it just sort of stuck whereas Bib Fortuna didn't have a headpiece and so his ears were visible so male twi'lek have normal ears.

On 10/31/2017 at 11:37 AM, Ken at Sunrise said:

I may be far a field in this but!

Since the X-Wing lore is up for change, what if the TIE Defender Elite data recorder is what they use to make/create/improve the X-Wing. Then if the X-Wing is an improved version based on TIE Defender Elite technology then, again perhaps, the TIE Defender as a whole is over priced compared to the new X-Wings. Swarms of less expensive TIE Fighters is why we have assumed there are no TIE Defender in any movies? But this would be the impetus.

Just a thought.

The issue there is the same time factor from last season. As of the start of season 4 we are less than a year before yavin. Which is not enough time to design and prototype a new fighter, much less build 3-4 squadrons of them, as we saw at Scarif. Especially without major industrial support.

However I can see the Defenders being the impetus for the rebels to acquire the X-Wing from Income, to have something able to fight defenders on their own terms.

48 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Blame Oola, she is the entire reason female Twi'leks have horns/cones for ears seeing how people mistook her head ornament/ear cuffs as her actual ears and then it just sort of stuck whereas Bib Fortuna didn't have a headpiece and so his ears were visible so male twi'lek have normal ears.

Yeah, that. It's really bizarre.

6 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I know in the past Filoni working on Clone Wars said they really only had the budget to make X assets for the episode, and with Rebels being on a smaller budget than Clone Wars (seeing how Lucas isn't dumping his personal cash into the project) I think this holds even more true.

The first episode here had to probably make a new Valen Rudor model seeing how I think we've only seen him in tie fighter gear before, the tank from Rogue One, possibly new stuff for the bar (if they couldn't reuse assets from Clone Wars and Rebels), updated models for Hera, Chopper, Ezra, Kannan, Zeb, and Sabine, new Jai model, a puffer pig baby (which wasn't used), and updated Lothal. And the defender's episode had the new Imperial base, new defender itself, the hyperdrive for the fighter, the flight recorder, Loth bats, and notably the Loth Wolf which they put lots of time into. Thats all still a lot of stuff to work on, and I'm sure an updated Tie interior was at the very bottom of the list for necessary assets, heck just look at the fact that until this season they didn't have a Lambda shuttle model and kept using the Sentinel shuttle since it worked well enough.

Thank you. That is precisely what is going on here, it isn't "Laziness". It's budget, time, everything.

6 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:

Your ideas get progressively more op with each iteration.

I can't help it if Thrawn keeps making the Defender more and more powerful.

Funnily enough, back before Imperial Veterans came out, this was my idea for the TIE/x7 title to bring it more in line with the way the ship was in Star Wars: TIE Fighter. You can see a lot of similarities, but that's because Rebels keeps making my OP ideas progressively more canon.

5 hours ago, Major Tom said:

I sometimes feel that there are a group of people who will not be happy with the TIE Defender until one can solo 100pts of the next best ship in the game and you can get eight of them in a squad.

No. I'd be happy if it could solo 100pts of the next best ship in the game and you could only fit 1 in a squad.

58 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Blame Oola, she is the entire reason female Twi'leks have horns/cones for ears seeing how people mistook her head ornament/ear cuffs as her actual ears and then it just sort of stuck

Lucas helped it stick by showing every movie female Twi'lek as having "horns" sticking out of their head ornaments, that matched the rest of them - hence hinting that those are part of the Twi'lek's body.

5 hours ago, Jo Jo said:

It reminded me of this scene from Patton:

Now all we need is Thrawn to give a Patton style speech, minus the profanities, to the troops prior to the Battle of Lothal and the circle will be complete.

4 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

Lucas helped it stick by showing every movie female Twi'lek as having "horns" sticking out of their head ornaments, that matched the rest of them - hence hinting that those are part of the Twi'lek's body.

Now, I might be wrong. But I think it was probably more the only depiction of a female twi'lek was in ROTJ and then RPGs and books ran with the idea and Lucas just canonized it when the prequels came around, in the same way that he canonized other EU ideas like Coruscant, and the planet name Ryloth to name a few.

28 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

I can't help it if Thrawn keeps making the Defender more and more powerful.

Funnily enough, back before Imperial Veterans came out, this was my idea for the TIE/x7 title to bring it more in line with the way the ship was in Star Wars: TIE Fighter. You can see a lot of similarities, but that's because Rebels keeps making my OP ideas progressively more canon.

Or it could be that you are blinded by your bias?

47 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

Or it could be that you are blinded by your bias?

My bias that the most powerful starfighter in the lore should be the most powerful starfighter in the game, and then costed accordingly? Yes.

1 minute ago, DarthEnderX said:

My bias that the most powerful starfighter in the lore should be the most powerful starfighter in the game, and then costed accordingly? Yes.

The defender is pretty much undefeatable in the lore. In the lore, some ships and pilots are more powerful than squadrons so large, they cannot be represented in the game.

Vader single handedly destroyed a FLEET worth about a 1000 points in rebels.

That's not what we are aiming for here.

1 hour ago, T70 Driver said:

Now all we need is Thrawn to give a Patton style speech, minus the profanities, to the troops prior to the Battle of Lothal and the circle will be complete.

Even better, have Veers pushing the assault on Hoth only to reach the entrance to Echo base and find Thrawn there with stormtroopers in formation and a band playing Imperial March.

5 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:

The defender is pretty much undefeatable in the lore. In the lore, some ships and pilots are more powerful than squadrons so large, they cannot be represented in the game.

Sounds like 101 points to me.

19 hours ago, Ironlord said:

I thought that that was supposed to be an engine exhaust rather than a window in this case - like with the Twin Ion Engine Mk II card:

Ah good point... Wish it wasn't the same shape as the window though. There's already enough people who think it's an engine or something.

7 hours ago, Ironlord said:

Lucas helped it stick by showing every movie female Twi'lek as having "horns" sticking out of their head ornaments, that matched the rest of them - hence hinting that those are part of the Twi'lek's body.

Especially awful when you consider that the other Twi'lek dancer clearly didn't have them (unless they can squash flat) under her headwrap.

7 minutes ago, Arterial Spray said:

Ah good point... Wish it wasn't the same shape as the window though. There's already enough people who think it's an engine or something.

Especially awful when you consider that the other Twi'lek dancer clearly didn't have them (unless they can squash flat) under her headwrap.

Apparently the ear cones are supposed to be 'spongy' and can be compressed

11 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Now, I might be wrong. But I think it was probably more the only depiction of a female twi'lek was in ROTJ and then RPGs and books ran with the idea and Lucas just canonized it when the prequels came around,

If anything, the novels and comics played with it much more than Lucas did. Often using "Bib Fortuna style" Twi'leks, but female.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nolaa_Tarkona (1997 - Young Jedi Knights series)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cesi_Eirriss (at least in the Rogue Squadron 1/2 comics, in 1997)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Koyi_Komad (from 1996 - Rogue Squadron: The Phantom Affair and onwards)

I think it was TPM that set the standard for "female Twi'leks get cones."

4 hours ago, Arterial Spray said:

Especially awful when you consider that the other Twi'lek dancer clearly didn't have them (unless they can squash flat) under her headwrap.

He did that around 1997, true - but by 1999 he'd settled on "they have cones" with Sebulba's slaves.

19 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:

The defender is pretty much undefeatable in the lore. In the lore, some ships and pilots are more powerful than squadrons so large, they cannot be represented in the game.

Vader single handedly destroyed a FLEET worth about a 1000 points in rebels.

That's not what we are aiming for here.

Why not? Why can't we have some 100 point ships and others for scenarios that are very thematic.

We are we so opposed to expanding X-Wings? The 100/6 death match limitation is why we have freighters and bombers that are better than and out perform fighters. A 10:1 battle against Vader, to me at least, is exactly what this game could use, plus freighters that are actually slow unmaneuverable freighters and bombers that need escorts to deliver their payload. Then, scenarios, a book of them. With suggested, not required, squads.

I thought it was cool that this guy showed up.

On 1.11.2017 at 9:13 PM, DarthEnderX said:

My bias that the most powerful starfighter in the lore should be the most powerful starfighter in the game, and then costed accordingly? Yes.

Uhm. I still prefer the Avenger over the Defender
And people will argue that the Missile Boat takes that position instead of the defender anyway.
Besides, all the militarized freighters are more powerful anyway

So basically you are wrong on three different levels °_^

At least one picture on the Wook of Mission Vao has ears on it. Maybe ears are just the equivalent to leg hair for Twilek females and so a lot of tape and a couple cones goes into covering them up?

I couldn't start watching the new season until today. Wow was the first doubleepisode bad, for so many reasons! Does it get better?