On 10/26/2017 at 6:29 PM, FlyingAnchors said:

Thrawn s tie punisher expansion pack.

And punish he will

I just want Thrawn to live. I don't want this to be the series that has exclusive rights to his story.

Just now, Forresto said:

I just want Thrawn to live. I don't want this to be the series that has exclusive rights to his story.

I dunno, Maul survived being cut in half and a dropping down a rather deep chasm and even he couldn't survive this series. Between him and the Grand Inquisitor, I think we'll be lucky if Tarkin survives the series finale.

Additionally, I do want to add a few things on armor coming from the medical side of the US Army. On the ability to keep on fighting after being hit, I had a buddy that used to be a Corpsman with the Navy who was stuck in with the Marines in Iraq. He had one grunt run out of cover, get shot in the chest by 7.62 mm, and scramble back into cover. The Marine had him help switch out the back and front plates of his armor, went out the same way, and was promptly shot in the chest again. He scrambled back into cover, took the back plate out of the Corpsman's vest, and figured third time was a charm before taking a third round to the chest and finally deciding that maybe he ought just wait it out for a bit.

So Hollywood isn't necessarily that off track when it comes to body armor being capable of keeping the wearer in the fight. Indeed, some of the first demonstrations of 'bullet proof vests' involved the inventor, Casimir Zeglen, wearing his creation as he was shot at close range. Obviously this would have gone down as a painful footnote in history (next to all the failed attempts at powered flight from that era) if he had been rushed to the hospital with flail chest and internal bleeding.

All that taken into consideration, when it comes to trauma anything that doesn't have you somewhere between back on your feet with no issues or screaming on the ground instantly elevates your case to potentially life-threatening. You've managed to take an injury that has instantaneously put you into shock either from slamming your brain around in your skull or such trauma being inflicted on your body that your central nervous system just decides to check out rather than put up with the pain such an injury brings with it.

From what I see, a blaster bolt acts like an energy based HEAT round in that it uses compressed plasma to kinetically push into its intended target. This means that if a stormtrooper's armor fails, they're getting a hole in their body. Given that this is enough to render them unresponsive nearly 100% of the time, I'd say they're on the cusp of having agonal movements rather than being 'stunned'. The armor might be made of a composite which attempts to blunt the force of the plasma, but it is either going to be pierced or not pierced by the shot. There is no magic in this case that puts them on the ground unmoving while simultaneously saving their lives.

So...big news.

Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost (at the minimum) all survive the Rebels cartoon and the Battle of Scariff.

Forces of Destiny episode "An Imperial Feast" shows Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost on Endor just after the destruction of the second Death Star.

Forces of Destiny are considered canon.

1 hour ago, flyboymb said:

I dunno, Maul survived being cut in half and a dropping down a rather deep chasm and even he couldn't survive this series. Between him and the Grand Inquisitor, I think we'll be lucky if Tarkin survives the series finale.

Additionally, I do want to add a few things on armor coming from the medical side of the US Army. On the ability to keep on fighting after being hit, I had a buddy that used to be a Corpsman with the Navy who was stuck in with the Marines in Iraq. He had one grunt run out of cover, get shot in the chest by 7.62 mm, and scramble back into cover. The Marine had him help switch out the back and front plates of his armor, went out the same way, and was promptly shot in the chest again. He scrambled back into cover, took the back plate out of the Corpsman's vest, and figured third time was a charm before taking a third round to the chest and finally deciding that maybe he ought just wait it out for a bit.

So Hollywood isn't necessarily that off track when it comes to body armor being capable of keeping the wearer in the fight. Indeed, some of the first demonstrations of 'bullet proof vests' involved the inventor, Casimir Zeglen, wearing his creation as he was shot at close range. Obviously this would have gone down as a painful footnote in history (next to all the failed attempts at powered flight from that era) if he had been rushed to the hospital with flail chest and internal bleeding.

All that taken into consideration, when it comes to trauma anything that doesn't have you somewhere between back on your feet with no issues or screaming on the ground instantly elevates your case to potentially life-threatening. You've managed to take an injury that has instantaneously put you into shock either from slamming your brain around in your skull or such trauma being inflicted on your body that your central nervous system just decides to check out rather than put up with the pain such an injury brings with it.

From what I see, a blaster bolt acts like an energy based HEAT round in that it uses compressed plasma to kinetically push into its intended target. This means that if a stormtrooper's armor fails, they're getting a hole in their body. Given that this is enough to render them unresponsive nearly 100% of the time, I'd say they're on the cusp of having agonal movements rather than being 'stunned'. The armor might be made of a composite which attempts to blunt the force of the plasma, but it is either going to be pierced or not pierced by the shot. There is no magic in this case that puts them on the ground unmoving while simultaneously saving their lives.

umm.... I doubt the series finale is going to be the battle of Yaivn, so Tarkin will definitely survive.

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

umm.... I doubt the series finale is going to be the battle of Yaivn, so Tarkin will definitely survive.

Who knows, maybe the Tarkin at Yavin was just some cleverly made up hologram because the actual flesh and blood individual had died? I bet the Empire can do all kinds of things with voice synthesizing by just taking a few of his spoken words and being able to create a whole vocabulary from it.

Why, even the Tarkin we saw in Rogue One could have been nothing but a digitized fake.

23 minutes ago, flyboymb said:

Who knows, maybe the Tarkin at Yavin was just some cleverly made up hologram because the actual flesh and blood individual had died? I bet the Empire can do all kinds of things with voice synthesizing by just taking a few of his spoken words and being able to create a whole vocabulary from it.

Why, even the Tarkin we saw in Rogue One could have been nothing but a digitized fake.

Okay first off that wasn't voice synthesizing they hired an actor who spent a lot of time going over every film piece Cushing ever did to learn the voice. He nailed it really well to. (There's minor variations but it's definitely passable)

and secondly all of Star Wars is fake sci-fantasy they produce for our entertainment and their bank account so....

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

Okay first off that wasn't voice synthesizing they hired an actor who spent a lot of time going over every film piece Cushing ever did to learn the voice. He nailed it really well to. (There's minor variations but it's definitely passable)

and secondly all of Star Wars is fake sci-fantasy they produce for our entertainment and their bank account so....

That obviously wouldn't make any kind of sense as they'd either need somebody very good at throwing their voice to constantly stand out in the corridors of the Death Star knowing exactly when to mouth the lines of the hologram.

Also, looking at the Holiday Special, I can certainly say that not all Star Wars was made for the benefit of our entertainment or Lucas' bank account so....

1 hour ago, TheRabidAardvark said:

So...big news.

Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost (at the minimum) all survive the Rebels cartoon and the Battle of Scariff.

Forces of Destiny episode "An Imperial Feast" shows Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost on Endor just after the destruction of the second Death Star.

Forces of Destiny are considered canon.

Funny how it doesn't show Zeb, Kanan, Ezra, or Sabine, isn't it?

I noticed The Ghost was completely absent during the battle of Scarif. My thoughts, honestly?

Sabine goes off to do Mandalorian things.

Zeb goes off to see his people and be a leader of some sort.

Kanan and Ezra... might meet their ends, but they might end up doing something greater in the background.

General Syndulla will done what she has always done. Fight.

The Ghost WAS at Scarif though. What wasn't there was the Phantom II docked to it... so, my thoughts are this: Kanan and Ezra are MOST likely dead, Sabine is back with her family on Mandalor and Zeb went his own way with the Phantom II to be with his people.

48 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Funny how it doesn't show Zeb, Kanan, Ezra, or Sabine, isn't it?

I noticed The Ghost was completely absent during the battle of Scarif. My thoughts, honestly?

Sabine goes off to do Mandalorian things.

Zeb goes off to see his people and be a leader of some sort.

Kanan and Ezra... might meet their ends, but they might end up doing something greater in the background.

General Syndulla will done what she has always done. Fight.

The ghost is seen twice st Scarif. It Hyperspace in with the rest, and it is seen flying in front of the camera from left to right just before Devestator comes in.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Funny how it doesn't show Zeb, Kanan, Ezra, or Sabine, isn't it?

I noticed The Ghost was completely absent during the battle of Scarif. My thoughts, honestly?

Sabine goes off to do Mandalorian things.

Zeb goes off to see his people and be a leader of some sort.

Kanan and Ezra... might meet their ends, but they might end up doing something greater in the background.

General Syndulla will done what she has always done. Fight.

depends on how strict they want to follow "Vader hunted down and destroyed the jedi knights" .... Kannan's a jedi knight, and he's being hunted by Vader....

Of course if the preview of the next episode is anything to go by, they could be off doing things on Lothal. Maybe Hera and Kannan break up? (from the novel they are more than implied lovers than the Tv show would hint at.)

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

The ghost is seen twice st Scarif. It Hyperspace in with the rest, and it is seen flying in front of the camera from left to right just before Devestator comes in.

Okay? I didn't say it wasn't. At all. I actually said it was. The little "General Syndulla" thing? Yeah, that was at Yavin IV before their attack. The Ghost is also at Yavin IV when they come in for the first time.

41 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

depends on how strict they want to follow "Vader hunted down and destroyed the jedi knights" .... Kannan's a jedi knight, and he's being hunted by Vader....

Of course if the preview of the next episode is anything to go by, they could be off doing things on Lothal. Maybe Hera and Kannan break up? (from the novel they are more than implied lovers than the Tv show would hint at.)

Vader has clearly made his exit from Rebels.

19 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Okay? I didn't say it wasn't. At all. I actually said it was. The little "General Syndulla" thing? Yeah, that was at Yavin IV before their attack. The Ghost is also at Yavin IV when they come in for the first time.

Vader has clearly made his exit from Rebels.

Perhaps Vader is gone from Rebels.... Perhaps not.

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

Perhaps Vader is gone from Rebels.... Perhaps not.

He probably is. He doesn't really serve any narrative purpose at this time. Vader and Ahsoka were the fans' focus in Season 2, and Filoni and crew wanted to shift the focus back to the crew of The Ghost.

Darth Vader is extremely unlikely to return to Rebels. He is extremely unlikely to off Kanan and Ezra in Rebels (because that is NOT the only way for them to leave the GCW's stage, let's be 100% real.) and I gotta say, "X has to die" is like, the thing I hear from fans all the time. Honestly kinda irks me that it's the only path a lot of fans can jump to.

2 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Kanan and Ezra... might meet their ends, but they might end up doing something greater in the background.

Had a thought on this one...

I mean, we know Filloni cannot kill off his own creations, so we definitely won't see them meet their ends on-screen . But that doesn't mean they cannot be in a situation where they obviously die .

Just spitballing one way that might work, especially given Filloni indicating they aren't really planning on showing the Battle of Scarif as a big part of the Rebels story, while obviously the Ghost was there ...but not the Phantom II.

So here's an idea...why isn't it there? How about Kanan and Ezra had already been pursuing their own avenues of investigation towards the Death Star, and they are flying it when captured or infiltrate the Death Star. They are then on it during the events of Episode IV, and play a part in a number of the unlikely successful events of the major heroes (lack of starfighters launched during the Battle of Yavon, maybe, along with general ineffectiveness of the station's defenses?). And they leave their story at that - so we are free to assume they died on the Death Star, helping the Rebellion's attack be successful...but it's not necessarily spelled out , so leaves the possibility open that they somehow escaped/survived and could theoretically appear in later media. But they probably died. But maybe not.

31 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

He probably is. He doesn't really serve any narrative purpose at this time. Vader and Ahsoka were the fans' focus in Season 2, and Filoni and crew wanted to shift the focus back to the crew of The Ghost.

Darth Vader is extremely unlikely to return to Rebels. He is extremely unlikely to off Kanan and Ezra in Rebels (because that is NOT the only way for them to leave the GCW's stage, let's be 100% real.) and I gotta say, "X has to die" is like, the thing I hear from fans all the time. Honestly kinda irks me that it's the only path a lot of fans can jump to.

It's a lot more irksome to have a major character we're told destroyed "all of X" and then are made incompetent because "well these over here survived, and technically they aren't a Jedi so..."

and for what it's worth it might not be the only path, but it sure is the easiest and makes the most sense. As bad as I hated the ending to rogue one it didn't break the canon....

The idea that Vader hunted down and killed all the Jedi Knights before the events leading up to the distraction of the first Death Star has always had to be taken with a pinch of salt given that Obi Wan and Yoda appear in the movies.

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Okay? I didn't say it wasn't. At all. I actually said it was. The little "General Syndulla" thing? Yeah, that was at Yavin IV before their attack. The Ghost is also at Yavin IV when they come in for the first time.

Vader has clearly made his exit from Rebels.

You said “was completely absent from Scarif”

and I was stating that it was not absent, it was present. Visible in two shots.

30 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You said “was completely absent from Scarif”

and I was stating that it was not absent, it was present. Visible in two shots.

3 hours ago, xanderf said:

Had a thought on this one...

I mean, we know Filloni cannot kill off his own creations, so we definitely won't see them meet their ends on-screen . But that doesn't mean they cannot be in a situation where they obviously die .

Just spitballing one way that might work, especially given Filloni indicating they aren't really planning on showing the Battle of Scarif as a big part of the Rebels story, while obviously the Ghost was there ...but not the Phantom II.

So here's an idea...why isn't it there? How about Kanan and Ezra had already been pursuing their own avenues of investigation towards the Death Star, and they are flying it when captured or infiltrate the Death Star. They are then on it during the events of Episode IV, and play a part in a number of the unlikely successful events of the major heroes (lack of starfighters launched during the Battle of Yavon, maybe, along with general ineffectiveness of the station's defenses?). And they leave their story at that - so we are free to assume they died on the Death Star, helping the Rebellion's attack be successful...but it's not necessarily spelled out , so leaves the possibility open that they somehow escaped/survived and could theoretically appear in later media. But they probably died. But maybe not.

CRAP I MEANT THE PHANTOM .

Thought, what if Ezra and Kanan were sent to meet with bail organa on Alderaan... right when the Death Star hit. That’d be one way to do a series end, do it on the note of those two headed there right before the battle of Scarrif

Also the show kinda already gave Zeb closure with his people and I don’t see him ditching the cause without seeing it through

7 minutes ago, MandoBard said:

Thought, what if Ezra and Kanan were sent to meet with bail organa on Alderaan... right when the Death Star hit. That’d be one way to do a series end, do it on the note of those two headed there right before the battle of Scarrif

That's also not a bad idea.

I sort of think it will be one of those two things, though - I just can't see them resolving their 'deaths' in anything LIKE a clear way. It will instead be part of some sequence of events that makes it all but certain, to those familiar with the greater universe (but not necessarily 'the kids watching') that they are probably dead, but still not actually show for certain, and leave wiggle room for future development. And, certainly, not kill off any toy lines.

Those are all bad ideas, do or do not, I'd hate to have another Ahsoka situation.

Anyway, really enjoyed today's episodes, hard to complain about anything

2 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

CRAP I MEANT THE PHANTOM .

No worries.

indeed, Phantom II is not at Scarif ?

11 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Why, even the Tarkin we saw in Rogue One could have been nothing but a digitized fake.

Sarcasm is the sharp blade of the weak. I still love this one.