STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!

By KCDodger, in X-Wing

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

I said it was justified in this context. But this isn't new for Rebels. One of the first things they blew up was a Star Destroyer, Tarkins flagship in fact, which they accomplished ridiculously easy I might add...

They've destroyed two top of the line interdictors, one in a total BS mando missile way and the other from inside also rather easily. Last week they destroyed the ISD from inside.

Tie Defenders are popped easily and Deathtroopers on this show are less then worthless. There is nothing sanctimoniously done in regards to the Empire. If this had been a build up to blowing up ISD's and high priority, security tages it'd be one thing but this show has constantly failed to make their antagonists outside of Thrawn and Tarkin and Vader seem competent or adequate.

My point is we relate and sympathize with failure in stories more then we do with success and Rebels has put me squarely in camp Empire. Thrawn's straight up a hero in this rag tag Imperial military. The Death Star is the last ditch effort to defend against the ruthless and unstoppable forces of Phoenix Squadron.

Clearly they're trying to make a sympathetic Empire in preparation for development and release of TIE Fighter 2 for PC!

1 minute ago, Norsehound said:

I noticed both TIE/Ds were destroyed by the terrain, not from enemy action. I think the problem's with the pilots, not the equipment.

I was kind of hoping the "new fighter" would be some production TIE Advanced, or even the TIE Interceptors (Which we know to exist), but featuring the TIE/D in this way does dilute their menace. Same with the Death troopers.

I doubt we'll get to the point where they are so watered down they need a Vader-RogueOne treatement to rehabilitate (See, this corridor massacre shows why Vader is the ultimate warrior in the galaxy). Still...

Were they in atmosphere? Trips may be better in space, but their wings still don't look like they'd handle too well with cross-breezes and the like.

I mean based on the dial we have for them, are we surprised they can't sharp turn well?

8 minutes ago, Forresto said:

The Confederacy in the Clone Wars is more of a threat then the Empire, and they had battle droids! Roger roger!

Did the confederacy win any of their battles in the Clone Wars TV series? I remember seeing an infographic where their win ratio was something like 1 win to 30 or so losses. How are they a threat?

8 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Were they in atmosphere? Trips may be better in space, but their wings still don't look like they'd handle too well with cross-breezes and the like.

You missed the whispy clouds and rocks on the spire planet the entire firefight was taking place upon? They had jedi force vision to guide them through the clouds, but the TIE/D pilots didn't.

Though were I the flight leader in that group I would have peeled up above the cloud layer and returned to the cruiser to support the attack there. No need to chase the Ghost into adverse conditions- make it come to you. Since these pilots mindlessly flew into the clouds in pursuit, I can't really give any merit to these poor pilots using their tech improperly.

Skerris on the other hand needed a surprise to stop him, and he was able to take out quite a few fighters. We'll see what he can do when he's matched against Xs. Still, it took something special to defeat the TIE/Ds in both engagements we've seen so far.

27 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

You missed the whispy clouds and rocks on the spire planet the entire firefight was taking place upon? They had jedi force vision to guide them through the clouds, but the TIE/D pilots didn't.

Though were I the flight leader in that group I would have peeled up above the cloud layer and returned to the cruiser to support the attack there. No need to chase the Ghost into adverse conditions- make it come to you. Since these pilots mindlessly flew into the clouds in pursuit, I can't really give any merit to these poor pilots using their tech improperly.

Skerris on the other hand needed a surprise to stop him, and he was able to take out quite a few fighters. We'll see what he can do when he's matched against Xs. Still, it took something special to defeat the TIE/Ds in both engagements we've seen so far.

I've not actually seen any Rebels episodes, because it's not currently on Hulu or Netflix (I'll have to check if my library has it on DVD).

But I agree, that doesn't sound too smart of the TIE/D pilots.

The second Defender was spinning uncontrollably before hitting the rocks, that wasn't an environmental kill.

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1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:

One of my biggest gripes is about Vader. He just gives up after Season 2? WHY?!?!?

There's a whole Galaxy of insurgents to take care of. Realistically, there should be more Jedi alive besides Caleb, Obi-Wan and Yoda. The Galaxy is a big place.

Vader killed Tano.

Vader destroyed most of Phoenix squadrons.

Vader is in management now. He has minions to get rid of a blind Jedi and a force-sensitive Loth rat.

16 minutes ago, patox said:

There's a whole Galaxy of insurgents to take care of. Realistically, there should be more Jedi alive besides Caleb, Obi-Wan and Yoda. The Galaxy is a big place.

Vader killed Tano.

Vader destroyed most of Phoenix squadrons.

Vader is in management now. He has minions to get rid of a blind Jedi and a force-sensitive Loth rat.

Yeah, that's the bad thing about getting promoted. Sure, you get a bigger paycheck and nice benefits, but sometimes you miss being able to do the fun stuff yourself instead of delegating it to others.

I just noticed that in the online companion show, Rebels Recon, the host, Andi Gutierrez, has the Xwing Miniatures models of the Ghost, YT-2400, and Tie Advanced Prototype on her desk. I think that is funny since two of those models are from Rebels and the YT-2400 was in Rebels and features, Guti, the cannon character named after Andi.

1 hour ago, Norsehound said:

Did the confederacy win any of their battles in the Clone Wars TV series? I remember seeing an infographic where their win ratio was something like 1 win to 30 or so losses. How are they a threat?

It wasn't so much that they won, but that they were treated better. The Seppies would do what Saw does, and the Empire is not shown to do - target civilian populations, make terror attacks, torture prisoners, hold hostages, execute surrendering captives...etc.

They were shown to be villains in a way that the Disney Doctrine doesn't allow the Empire to be. Now, that doesn't mean that Rebels is bad. It simply means that the show takes a very different tone - think Firefly vs Cowboy Bebop: both Western themed Space Operas about hard-up motley crews running from their collective pasts, but with widely different themes and plots.

1 hour ago, Norsehound said:

Did the confederacy win any of their battles in the Clone Wars TV series? I remember seeing an infographic where their win ratio was something like 1 win to 30 or so losses. How are they a threat?

According to Rebels the Confederacy was winning the war and if the war had continued they would've won. The Confederacy was actually winning more battles or at least more decisive ones.

Which entirely makes sense, otherwise how would Palpatine create the impetus to support the Republic transtorming into the Empire?

4 hours ago, Forresto said:

I said it was justified in this context. But this isn't new for Rebels. One of the first things they blew up was a Star Destroyer, Tarkins flagship in fact, which they accomplished ridiculously easy I might add...

They've destroyed two top of the line interdictors, one in a total BS mando missile way and the other from inside also rather easily. Last week they destroyed the ISD from inside.

Tie Defenders are popped easily and Deathtroopers on this show are less then worthless. There is nothing sanctimoniously done in regards to the Empire. If this had been a build up to blowing up ISD's and high priority, security tages it'd be one thing but this show has constantly failed to make their antagonists outside of Thrawn and Tarkin and Vader seem competent or adequate.

My point is we relate and sympathize with failure in stories more then we do with success and Rebels has put me squarely in camp Empire. Thrawn's straight up a hero in this rag tag Imperial military. The Death Star is the last ditch effort to defend against the ruthless and unstoppable forces of Phoenix Squadron.

So you're going to ignore that Mon Mothma pointed out the thousands of worlds they can't do anything about?

Can we like, talk about for a moment, that the only TIE Defender kills we've actually seen are that of the most recent episode's? Seriously, they flew into a rock. I recall the other ones evaded by the Y-Wings (one fighter by the way), having gotten away.

Dunno what you're talking about honestly.

3 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

WHY CANT THE IMPS HAVE NICE THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

And why doesn't the TIE Advanced have green backwards maneuvers?

Because Nazis are incompetent. I mean. Have you read history, or a 2017 newspaper? Nazis just constantly do the dumbest possible thing and think they can make up for it with pure will power.

Space Nazis are no different.

6 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

Because Nazis are incompetent. I mean. Have you read history, or a 2017 newspaper? Nazis just constantly do the dumbest possible thing and think they can make up for it with pure will power.

Space Nazis are no different.

Mass genocides?

Oh yeah, the Wookies...

:(

4 hours ago, xanderf said:

A bigger problem, of course, is the Inquisitors. Where the heck did they disappear to? They have literally nothing else to do except hunt down Force-sensitives, and we've obviously still got two hanging around. (Unless there really were only the four Inquisitors besides the Grand Inquisitor? I guess that's possible - and so they are all now dead, which would explain that.)

Well, they are numbered and one is named Eighth Brother, so one assumes there are at least 8 of them. Unless a bunch were already dead before Rebels.

Also, they showed the group in this months Darth Vader and there were at least 6 of them.

8 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Well, they are numbered and one is named Eighth Brother, so one assumes there are at least 8 of them. Unless a bunch were already dead before Rebels.

Also, they showed the group in this months Darth Vader and there were at least 6 of them.

Man they look like huge dorks.

12 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Did the confederacy win any of their battles in the Clone Wars TV series? I remember seeing an infographic where their win ratio was something like 1 win to 30 or so losses. How are they a threat?

I remember at least one very well executed victory (might not have been a full one, but the scene was powerful), where a jedi too his last stand his clones and they were slaughtered one after another, until finaly the jedi was overwhelmed, too. TCW actually had droids , the least threatening grunts in all of Star Wars, kill a jedi. No idea which arc that was, though, it is just the scene that I remember very well.

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

I remember at least one very well executed victory (might not have been a full one, but the scene was powerful), where a jedi too his last stand his clones and they were slaughtered one after another, until finaly the jedi was overwhelmed, too. TCW actually had droids , the least threatening grunts in all of Star Wars, kill a jedi. No idea which arc that was, though, it is just the scene that I remember very well.

Fall of Ima Gun-Di.

No one can take this show seriously after the Season 2 finale. It was really good... BUT THE INQUISITORS CAN ******* FLY BY TWIRLING THEIR LIGHTSABERS????

1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:

No one can take this show seriously after the Season 2 finale. It was really good... BUT THE INQUISITORS CAN ******* FLY BY TWIRLING THEIR LIGHTSABERS????

Yeah, it is as ridiculous as shooting lightning out of your hands..

17 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

No one can take this show seriously after the Season 2 finale. It was really good... BUT THE INQUISITORS CAN ******* FLY BY TWIRLING THEIR LIGHTSABERS????

You don't just have to take this show seriously! You also have to accept it as Canon! :)

Beating stormtroopers with fruit. Lightsaber stun pistols. A B wing prototype that rips through light cruisers. A wings being cannon fodder (pun intended)... Helicopter Lightsabers actually come out as quite cool when you compare them to the other things added to the Canon universe by the show!

Suck it up and love the new SW universe! It's whacky!

3 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

No one can take this show seriously after the Season 2 finale. It was really good... BUT THE INQUISITORS CAN ******* FLY BY TWIRLING THEIR LIGHTSABERS????

Since jet packs and anti-grab are a thing you could argue that the inquisitor sabers have built in anti grab units for gliding, and the lightsabers rotation is for forward momentum only not lift

2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Yeah, it is as ridiculous as shooting lightning out of your hands..

Or just flying straight without a the lightsaber ^_^

Besides, a squadron of the final version of the B-Wing rips through ISDs just like that B-Wing prototype did with those kitten-cruisers :P
We have seen how light those cruisers are when point blank volley from the Ghost did blow one up as well. Dual-torpedo Launchers for the win.

5 minutes ago, Larky Bobble said:

Lightsaber stun pistols. A B wing prototype that rips through light cruisers. A wings being cannon fodder.

I like all of the above.

1 minute ago, MandoBard said:

Since jet packs and anti-grab are a thing you could argue that the inquisitor sabers have built in anti grab units for gliding, and the lightsabers rotation is for forward momentum only not lift

You could argue that, but actually Filonis explanation was something along the lines "That's fun for kids AND on Morriban the darkside powers are strong enough that the inquisitors could boost their move force power enough to enable flight."