13 minutes ago, Bojanglez said:I thought only Jedi had the ability to use one effectively, rather than it being a force-powered on/off switch - as others have said, Luke and Han were both able to use it in the OT.
Fun Fact: Back in the EU, there were SOME Jedi who supposedly put the on/off switch on their lightsabers on the INSIDE of the lightsaber, so you could only turn it on and off with the Force.
2 hours ago, Blue Five said:So why aren't there any droid Jedi?
1 hour ago, DarthEnderX said:Obviously because it's spiritual. Droids don't have Jedi because they don't have spirits. The Force exists in all things(if the Force didn't exist in a rock, you couldn't use the Force to lift said rock). But the ability to CONTROL the Force is tied to the spirit.
Which is why the idea that losing body parts would make you weaker with the Force is ridiculous. Because cutting off an arm doesn't cut off a piece of your spirit.
Not to mention Force ghosts. If using the Force was tied to biology, then Force ghosts couldn't even exist, because they have no bodies at all.
It's like Yoda says, "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
And all those ghosts are seen to do is appear to other Force users. Is a Force Ghost using the Force or is it part of the Force?
Force sensitivity is also hereditary which would suggest there are biological associations to it.
While I can defend Force sensitivity not being completely divorced from the corporeal form I can't find the material I may have misremembered to back up extreme cyborging diminishing it so for now I'll have to concede that one.
33 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:Fun Fact: Back in the EU, there were SOME Jedi who supposedly put the on/off switch on their lightsabers on the INSIDE of the lightsaber, so you could only turn it on and off with the Force.
Yeah, I vaguely remember that too. Guess they didn't know ysalamiri were a thing.
Edited by Blue FiveHave enjoyed both of the last two episodes. While I don't harbor the antipathy towards Sabine that some others seem to, I have enjoyed seeing her arc but am equally glad to put it behind us and focus on some of the other elements of the show.
On 2/21/2017 at 9:43 PM, flyboymb said:Jango also killed his share of Jedi. A member of the council to boot.
Yeah, but not with a lightsaber in a duel situation. That is my point of contention. A non force user can use a lightsaber obviously (it's just a sword made of energy) but the force is what allows a Jedi/Sith to use one with such mastery and be able to block blaster bolts.
9 minutes ago, JJFDVORAK said:Yeah, but not with a lightsaber in a duel situation. That is my point of contention. A non force user can use a lightsaber obviously (it's just a sword made of energy) but the force is what allows a Jedi/Sith to use one with such mastery and be able to block blaster bolts.
The Force makes you better at just about everything that requires reflexes because it makes you precognitive. If you can get non-force sensitive pilots who are better than force sensitive ones however it's probably possible to have a force insensitive who's better at using a lightsaber as a sword than a force sensitive is. They just wouldn't be able to shield with it so it would be less practical.
32 minutes ago, Blue Five said:The Force makes you better at just about everything that requires reflexes because it makes you precognitive. If you can get non-force sensitive pilots who are better than force sensitive ones however it's probably possible to have a force insensitive who's better at using a lightsaber as a sword than a force sensitive is. They just wouldn't be able to shield with it so it would be less practical.
Exactly. I'm sure it's possible that a master swordsman or martial artist (like Donny Yen from Rogue One) who is not force sensitive (although he may have been a little bit) could beat the average Jedi(Jocasta Nu, Coleman Trevor) in a duel. But a well trained Jedi swordsman(Obi Wan, Anakin, Cin Dralig) would easily beat that same non force sensitive. The force just makes you better.
Kind of makes you wonder if Jedi wouldn't be more effective if they just used a gun and a shield like Sabine's instead of a sword.
Use all those precognitive abilities you used on your sword to snipe people at a distance instead, and use the shield to block incoming shots.
5 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:Kind of makes you wonder if Jedi wouldn't be more effective if they just used a gun and a shield like Sabine's instead of a sword.
Use all those precognitive abilities you used on your sword to snipe people at a distance instead, and use the shield to block incoming shots.
I would imagine keeping the good ol traditinal lightsaber would better than a firearm, due to the fact that it never runs out of ammo/charge, requires little to no maintenence, and it also doubles as a cutting tool, wound cauterizer (i think that's a word
), and torch.
QuoteUse all those precognitive abilities you used on your sword to snipe people at a distance instead, and use the shield to block incoming shots.
The problem with a blaster, at least as Obi-Wan puts it, is that it's clumsy and random.
The lightsaber is versatile (it's also a cutting tool), precise and with precognition it lets you use enemy blasters against them.
There are also probably limitations to those energy shields too, else I'd arm all the Stormtroopers with them.
Hard to argue that a blaster is a defensive weapon. Jedi and lightsabers make perfect sense.
Why in the world the galaxy wasn't over-run by Sith using Baz-Malbus-Style chain guns? No clue...
47 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:I would imagine keeping the good ol traditinal lightsaber would better than a firearm, due to the fact that it never runs out of ammo/charge, requires little to no maintenence, and it also doubles as a cutting tool, wound cauterizer (i think that's a word
Lightsabers have power cells, and we saw one fail to turn on in the Season 2 finale. I wouldn't say they never run out of charge. We don't really know how long they last.
5 minutes ago, jmswood said:Lightsabers have power cells, and we saw one fail to turn on in the Season 2 finale. I wouldn't say they never run out of charge. We don't really know how long they last.
It used to be (old canon/EU) that a lightsabers power looped back around and it only used power when it was cutting something or touching another lightsaber. In other words, it would only expend energy at the exact split second the blade touched another blade or blocked a blaster bolt. If you were just swinging it around or using it as a lamp, no power was lost. Therefore the charge would last for a very, very, very long time. I'm not sure if that is still considered canon or correct at this point.
18 minutes ago, JJFDVORAK said:It used to be (old canon/EU) that a lightsabers power looped back around and it only used power when it was cutting something or touching another lightsaber. In other words, it would only expend energy at the exact split second the blade touched another blade or blocked a blaster bolt. If you were just swinging it around or using it as a lamp, no power was lost. Therefore the charge would last for a very, very, very long time. I'm not sure if that is still considered canon or correct at this point.
I'm not speculating on mechanics, only observing what I've seen and read in new canon. The lightsaber Ezra picked up was thousands of years old. For comparison: The Darksaber is hundreds of years old and still burning with no indication anyone changed the batteries.
QuoteThe Darksaber is hundreds of years old and still burning with no indication anyone changed the batterie
And no indication someone didn't.
15 minutes ago, Blue Five said:And no indication someone didn't.
I really have no reason per new canon to feel this way, but I feel that lightsabers more cool if they don't require recharging all the time. I'm going to keep believing the old canon "no energy spent unless contact" until Disney says otherwise.
Quote"no energy spent unless contact"
If that were the case they wouldn't give off any light.
That being said, they get used underwater without creating a steam cloud of boiled death when used underwater in TCW and they can be held near someone's neck without them getting burns from superheated air so presumably they have some means of not radiating heat. That'd make them fairly efficient when not in contact so their power cells probably last a while.
You know kids... I mean you know right? The show isn't Star Trek Rebels. Right?
17 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:You know kids... I mean you know right? The show isn't Star Trek Rebels. Right?
This is incredibly vague. If you're trying to infer some camparison based on the scientific merits of Star Trek then try again. Star Trek is as much a fantasy as Star Wars.
2 minutes ago, jmswood said:This is incredibly vague. If you're trying to infer some camparison based on the scientific merits of Star Trek then try again. Star Trek is as much a fantasy as Star Wars.
Just now, gamblertuba said:
Also fantasy.
Quotecamparison
Now THAT is the name Grindr's developers should have gone with.
3 hours ago, JJFDVORAK said:I really have no reason per new canon to feel this way, but I feel that lightsabers more cool if they don't require recharging all the time. I'm going to keep believing the old canon "no energy spent unless contact" until Disney says otherwise.
Sith helmets are just giant battery packs for lightsabers.
23 hours ago, jmswood said:This is incredibly vague. If you're trying to infer some camparison based on the scientific merits of Star Trek then try again. Star Trek is as much a fantasy as Star Wars.
It's refreshing to hear this.
On 2/23/2017 at 2:39 PM, jmswood said:This is incredibly vague. If you're trying to infer some camparison based on the scientific merits of Star Trek then try again. Star Trek is as much a fantasy as Star Wars.
I think it's more a case of "Star Trek has pretensions of scientific, logical explanations underpinning its fantasy. Star Wars doesn't give two figs if the Force makes sense."
Or to put it simpler, Star Trek is soft science fiction, Star Wars is straight fantasy - but in space with Duros and Wookies instead of in Middle-Earth with elves and orcs.
I think the episode before that revealed some of how lightsabers (and the Death Star superlaser) work in new canon. Stripping away Kanan's flowery speech, the kaiber crystal draws through the wielder's Force connection to maintain a blade - perhaps a power source is required for creating the initial blade, perhaps not - and thus anyone with a Force presence can spark up a blade.
Making it do cool tricks, though, is the repository of actual Force users.
Does that mean the Death Star draws from the Force itself to energize its superlaser? Seems possible.