STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!

By KCDodger, in X-Wing

From the Rebels Panel at Star Wars Celebration:

"Will Ahsoka die and come back as a Force ghost?" - fan question at 44:35

Dave Filoni answers he doesn't think Ahsoka has the necessary ability and at 45:13 says this: "Whether we have to worry about that right now or not is kind of up in the air."

You do understand that 'whether we have to worry about whether or not Ahsoka can 'Force ghost' being up in the air' basically means, by definition, she can't be dead .

Otherwise, if she WAS dead, then it would matter whether she can Force Ghost or not . But it doesn't matter yet. So...she's not dead.

Sure, but

a) Darth Maul is a Sith Lord and, apparently, survived on stubborn hate alone (which actually makes a certain amount of (Star Wars) sense) and

...also setting up later precedent, too.

I mean, unless Coruscant and Mustafar are next-door systems to each other (which wouldn't make much sense), Anakin had to have survived having three limbs cut off and third-degree burns over 100% of his body for potentially days before Palpatine's shuttle arrived. Obviously, 'surviving terminal injuries on hate alone' is an ability the Sith seem to share.

KOTOR II one of the main baddie's schtick is surviving through hate and spite...

KOTOR II one of the main baddie's schtick is surviving through hate and spite...

Granted, he also looks like he sleeps with Vibroswords but, that's only a semi-related thing.

From the Rebels Panel at Star Wars Celebration:

"Will Ahsoka die and come back as a Force ghost?" - fan question at 44:35

Dave Filoni answers he doesn't think Ahsoka has the necessary ability and at 45:13 says this: "Whether we have to worry about that right now or not is kind of up in the air."

Still looking for anything definitively saying they will use Ahsoka again in the future.

I don't need something definitive to say she's alive because I'm not claiming she's alive. I'm claiming her fate is ambigious.

Your opening post, however, says this:

I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead until someone can make an argument for her survival that is either:

1. Published canon.

2. Credible behind-the-scenes material

3. A believable fan theory. Such a theory must honor the character, and have relevant thematic support in canonical sources.

"I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead" is stating that she's dead. There's no more evidence to prove she's dead than there is to prove she's alive.

You can't really criticise those insisting she's alive with no evidence if you insist she's dead with no evidence.

You do understand that 'whether we have to worry about whether or not Ahsoka can 'Force ghost' being up in the air' basically means, by definition, she can't be dead .

Otherwise, if she WAS dead, then it would matter whether she can Force Ghost or not . But it doesn't matter yet. So...she's not dead.

No, it doesn't. "Up in the air" means ambigious, undefined: much as a coin that's up in the air hasn't landed on heads or tails Ahsoka's fate has yet to be defined.

Schrödinger's Ahsoka.

From the Rebels Panel at Star Wars Celebration:

"Will Ahsoka die and come back as a Force ghost?" - fan question at 44:35

Dave Filoni answers he doesn't think Ahsoka has the necessary ability and at 45:13 says this: "Whether we have to worry about that right now or not is kind of up in the air."

Still looking for anything definitively saying they will use Ahsoka again in the future.

I don't need something definitive to say she's alive because I'm not claiming she's alive. I'm claiming her fate is ambigious.

Your opening post, however, says this:

I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead until someone can make an argument for her survival that is either:

1. Published canon.

2. Credible behind-the-scenes material

3. A believable fan theory. Such a theory must honor the character, and have relevant thematic support in canonical sources.

"I will continue to insist Ashoka is dead" is stating that she's dead. There's no more evidence to prove she's dead than there is to prove she's alive.

You can't really criticise those insisting she's alive with no evidence if you insist she's dead with no evidence.

You do understand that 'whether we have to worry about whether or not Ahsoka can 'Force ghost' being up in the air' basically means, by definition, she can't be dead .

Otherwise, if she WAS dead, then it would matter whether she can Force Ghost or not . But it doesn't matter yet. So...she's not dead.

No, it doesn't. "Up in the air" means ambigious, undefined: much as a coin that's up in the air hasn't landed on heads or tails Ahsoka's fate has yet to be defined.

I think you misunderstand me, as we are saying the same thing.

Saying Ahsoka's fate is ambiguous cannot mean that she is dead . It doesn't mean that she is alive , but it does mean she cannot be definitely dead .

Anyone arguing that the finale left Ahsoka 'dead' is just wrong - it very clearly did not, as noted in the interviews here which left the question intentionally unanswered.

Why would anyone ask if she's alive? She was shown to be at the end of season 2 (in what has to be one of the best moments of the entire show, so far).

She'll probably be a pro at using the Darksaber in no time. ;)

What I'm most excited about is from this week's Rebels Recon.

THIS IS A THEORY. I haven't seen Rogue One or read any spoilers. This is just my Theory.

CHOPPER IS GOING TO BE IN ROGUE ONE.

They shipped Chopper to the UK last summer. I was at Celebration London. I was bummed that I never saw Chopper there. He's my favorite. He wasn't at the Rebels panel, wasn't on the show floor. As far as I know, no one at Celebration saw Chopper anywhere.

Why would they ship him to the UK if he wasn't going to be at Celebration? That's when they were doing RO reshoots I think. Toss him in the background at Yavin base? Hell yeah!

At the end of this week's Rebels Recon, Andi, finally yells at Chopper about being a British pest, and asks him what happened in England. He says something and she acts surprised and then it cuts. The next time we'll have an RR episode will be after we've all seen Rogue One.

I'm so convinced we'll see him in RO. I'm going to be sad if I'm wrong lol. I love Chopper.

You know who I'd like to see in Rogue One!

Kyle Katarn!

...OK hear me out!

They go into a Cantina and there's this guy called Kyle there at the bar telling absolutely outrageous stories about the stuff he's done.

"Last week I broke into an Imperial base and shot 54 Stormtroopers! I got a bit wounded, but I put some bandaids on and now I'm totally better! There were all these exploding barrels, so I shot some of those right as a dozen more came in the door and KERBOOM!"

and everyone just shakes their heads and ignores him.

Then, in the celebration scenes at the end of the film we see him again and he's going "...hmmm, stole the Death Star plans eh? Hmmmmmm!!" before heading off to a different part of the galaxy.

He's basically a compulsive liar, and the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series are his vivid but totally bs descriptions!

Jan is the name of his autopilot software.

Make Kyle canon again!...from a certain point of view. :)

I think you misunderstand me, as we are saying the same thing.

Saying Ahsoka's fate is ambiguous cannot mean that she is dead . It doesn't mean that she is alive , but it does mean she cannot be definitely dead .

Anyone arguing that the finale left Ahsoka 'dead' is just wrong - it very clearly did not, as noted in the interviews here which left the question intentionally unanswered.

Shrodinger's Ahsoka. She is neither dead nor alive until someone writes the script that makes it so. :)

I haven't seen RO yet but the guys producing it have confirmed there are plenty of easter eggs for fans but my guess is that they will want to make them subtle enough that people who haven't been following Rebels will just take it as back ground detail.

Claiming Ahsoka is dead is like Claiming Han Solo is alive at the end of TFA. You see her walk down the tunnel. You don't see her categorically die.

Until you see a body, she is alive. With Han, you see the kill, you know it's fatal. That is that.

Now, Luminara Unduli is dead, she died differently from how she did in the EU. But that's it. Rebels made a point of showing her mummified corpse in a rad as hell dark as hell episode.

Now we just need the same to happen to Sabine...

Han is alive, it is all a ruse to get to Snoke. See many of the knights of ren theories. If Maul can survive this than for sure Han can too, especially if everything has been planned together with Kylo. SCNR, someone mentioned crazy fan theories and I can't hold them in. ;-)

Claiming Ahsoka is dead is like Claiming Han Solo is alive at the end of TFA. You see her walk down the tunnel. You don't see her categorically die.

Until you see a body, she is alive. With Han, you see the kill, you know it's fatal. That is that.

Now, Luminara Unduli is dead, she died differently from how she did in the EU. But that's it. Rebels made a point of showing her mummified corpse in a rad as hell dark as hell episode.

Now we just need the same to happen to Sabine...

Han is alive, it is all a ruse to get to Snoke. See many of the knights of ren theories. If Maul can survive this than for sure Han can too, especially if everything has been planned together with Kylo. SCNR, someone mentioned crazy fan theories and I can't hold them in. ;-)

Oh geeze, we're really going down the rabbit hole of fan theories aren't we?

Claiming Ahsoka is dead is like Claiming Han Solo is alive at the end of TFA. You see her walk down the tunnel. You don't see her categorically die.

Until you see a body, she is alive. With Han, you see the kill, you know it's fatal. That is that.

Now, Luminara Unduli is dead, she died differently from how she did in the EU. But that's it. Rebels made a point of showing her mummified corpse in a rad as hell dark as hell episode.

Now we just need the same to happen to Sabine...

Han is alive, it is all a ruse to get to Snoke. See many of the knights of ren theories. If Maul can survive this than for sure Han can too, especially if everything has been planned together with Kylo. SCNR, someone mentioned crazy fan theories and I can't hold them in. ;-)

Oh geeze, we're really going down the rabbit hole of fan theories aren't we?

You can't really criticise those insisting she's alive with no evidence if you insist she's dead with no evidence.

Someone else made a similarly accurate statement; so I'll repeat my response:

Valid point. I'll concede here; Ashoka's death is my chosen fan theory (and only a theory.)

Ok, regarding Han.

He´s dead. Leia is the evidence. Straight after he goes down it cuts to her looking distraught. The force does not lie.

Botox does.

b) Naboo didn't explode.

Yes, fictional characters live fictional lives where literally ANYTHING can happen and MAYBE Gandalf's eagles carried Han to a bacta planet that DIDN'T explode (which would explain why they were too busy to just floop the ring over to Mordor!), but if someone were to use Darth Maul's apparent death in a movie to justify why Han might actually still be alive, I think they would still have a very long, uncomfortable road ahead.

For the record, the eagles flying the ring to mordor was the "one does not simply walk into mordor" plan, but gandalf got shouted down.

Even IF the writers wanted han to be alive, no way Harrison Ford would ever do it.

Even IF the writers wanted han to be alive, no way Harrison Ford would ever do it.

Even IF the writers wanted han to be alive, no way Harrison Ford would ever do it.

That's why you reveal it in some CGI TV series that takes place after Episode 9 and have someone else voice him.

Ford had long been one of the 'hell, no' holdouts for doing any post-RotJ movies. No doubt - getting him back at all required some serious concessions from the studio. I'm sure he was probably the highest-paid person on that set, and given how much he wanted his character to have died in RotJ...I'm 100% sure the character being 'permanently dead' was part of the contract, alongside the paycheck.

Good thing we don't need capricious actors anymore as we can just paste their face on someone else! :P

Good thing we don't need capricious actors anymore as we can just paste their face on someone else! :P

No doubt.

I mean, compare what's been done with pure CGI - Snoke? Jar Jar Binks? Boss Nass? And who could forget the remastered brilliance of Jabba, himself??

For real, now - how could anyone seriously compare what mere actors did for the characters of Palpatine, Lando, or Han Solo next to the brilliance of CGI!? Boggles the mind...

That joke was about a certain Rogue One chracter I've heard actually works, but that I will judge myself in 4 hours :P

Ok, can confirm, we don't need real actors anymore.