Yeah but Biggs' cape would have been a pain to animate

So I don't follow this topic religiously, so there is a good chance this was already mentioned, but I just have to say I found it hilarious how they were like "Our numbers are growing!", or something along those lines when they picked up the defectors, but they had just lost like twice as many pilots as they picked up a day earlier. Obviously the quality of these recruits is very high so in a sense they are growing stronger, but it still made me giggle a bit.

There's still plenty of opportunity for Soontir to make an appearance this season, if Thrawn's use of the apparent 181st comes to be. It don't think a training facility would be the best place to introduce that imperial ace, anyway.

Even though at this point he is a training instructor(and part time test pilot)?

Really why the hell wasn't that Fel? I recon it had to have been written as him and changed last moment.

You're totally right, my mistake! As the rebels continue recruiting imperial cadets, the inevitable introduction of Biggs (and Tycho!) will surely have to include Fel.

sh*tty episode; this time I am quite disappointed, since it could have been a cool one. Sabine Sue getting super-spy-soldier-pilot while Wedge doesn't even have a little bit of especially good flying. TIE interceptors ripping a transport then a corvette with a few laser shots (but not a TIE bomber, these things really are sturdy...), and, of course, making any flying move with an added useless (and ridiculous) roll. And best of the best : Kanan and Ezra, none of them being a trained flying officer, piloting a CR-90 by themselves ! There was a lot of "Fuuuuu!" during these weekly 20 minutes of Rebels.

However, nice to see Hobbie squizzed in.

It is not uncommon for very different ships to be built on an similar-to-identical hull system. For example, Ticonderoga, and Spruance-Class cruisers built by Ingalls Shipbuilding, and CR-70s and 90s by the Corellian Engineering Corperation.

Even if you don't personally believe the theories about under-staffing, and personal stories from the table-top of TIE pilots shredding under-actioned CR-90s, it isn't unreasonable to believe that without the proper load-out of shields, tech, and guns, the hull is just a hull.

The difference between a CR-90 and a CR-70 seems to be mostly technological in nature, and who's to say that one ship is equal to another? The Millennium Falcon and Ghost are only freighters without their modifications; pour some money in and even a Bantha can dogfight.*

*(If you have the credits.**)

**(And access to illegal parts.***)

***(Do not attempt on live Bantha.)

To the people critequing the Interceptors taking out the Transport and almost the CR90. The Transport had no weapons, and It didn't seem like the Corvette was using the ones it had. maybe because it did not have a big enough crew?

It also didn't have aby shields or armour. No weapons, no shields, no armour, just like more or less every ship in this show except for some Imperial fighters, the ARGHkittens!-class light cruisers, the Phantom and the Ghost.

This man is using his Lore-brain. I approve.

People think Sabine is a Mary Sue huh? I think she just has a super badass upbringing, which the writers are hinting at.

****heads think any competent female character is a Mary Sue.

While rare in this particular forum, sightings of these creatures are still commonplace in the darker parts of the world and encounters are not unheard of. These encounters can be jarring and leave deep impressions on the survivors, often leading to paranoia and prejudice against people who, in their experience, exhibit ****-head tenancies.

But can we talk about just how god awful Phoenix Squadron is?

Has anybody taken a tally on how many A-Wings have died?

Are we ever going to see anything but A-Wings dying?

It's kind of depressing watching them run these missions for so little benefit.

That Y-Wing mission for, like, 5 Y-Wings. This one for 2 pilots. That's two missions for less than what they lost in a couple minutes at the start of this episode.

But can we talk about just how god awful Phoenix Squadron is?

Has anybody taken a tally on how many A-Wings have died?

Are we ever going to see anything but A-Wings dying?

Also, was it just me or that TIE Shuttle was roomy as hell? At first I thought they grabbed a troop transport.

This may be an unpopular opinion, however this last episode reminded me that "SW REBELS" is slowly changing and imho for the worse.

Now don't get me wrong - I really like the way the story arc for Ezra and Kanan is evolving, and I also think the show still has an good story with the background behind the formation of the rebel fleet. But what originally really got me hooked is this little tight band of people onboard the Ghost fighting together as a team against the Empire. The different characters played well together - this was a fun group - now the story is departing more and more from that formula. E.g. in this last Episode (ep.3 in season 3). Sabine was practically the only character with screen time, with Ezra and Kanan playing minor parts and Hera now assuming the role of a mission giver. Where is Chopper? Where is Zeb? Where is the group?

This reminds me of how the show "FRIENDS" was fun, but "JOEY" was not, not that "JOEY" was bad, it just was not as fun...please bring this merry band of heroes together again.

Even if you don't personally believe the theories about under-staffing, and personal stories from the table-top of TIE pilots shredding under-actioned CR-90s, it isn't unreasonable to believe that without the proper load-out of shields, tech, and guns, the hull is just a hull.

A way bigger and sturdier hull than ... let's say... a TIE bomber's ?

This may be an unpopular opinion, however this last episode reminded me that "SW REBELS" is slowly changing and imho for the worse.

Now don't get me wrong - I really like the way the story arc for Ezra and Kanan is evolving, and I also think the show still has an good story with the background behind the formation of the rebel fleet. But what originally really got me hooked is this little tight band of people onboard the Ghost fighting together as a team against the Empire. The different characters played well together - this was a fun group - now the story is departing more and more from that formula. E.g. in this last Episode (ep.3 in season 3). Sabine was practically the only character with screen time, with Ezra and Kanan playing minor parts and Hera now assuming the role of a mission giver. Where is Chopper? Where is Zeb? Where is the group?

This reminds me of how the show "FRIENDS" was fun, but "JOEY" was not, not that "JOEY" was bad, it just was not as fun...please bring this merry band of heroes together again.

Fine, but only if Wedge can be in it too. And Hobbie. And Biggs. And Wes. And Tycho.

Even if you don't personally believe the theories about under-staffing, and personal stories from the table-top of TIE pilots shredding under-actioned CR-90s, it isn't unreasonable to believe that without the proper load-out of shields, tech, and guns, the hull is just a hull.

A way bigger and sturdier hull than ... let's say... a TIE bomber's ?

A hull that has zero agility vs two.

This may be an unpopular opinion, however this last episode reminded me that "SW REBELS" is slowly changing and imho for the worse.

Now don't get me wrong - I really like the way the story arc for Ezra and Kanan is evolving, and I also think the show still has an good story with the background behind the formation of the rebel fleet. But what originally really got me hooked is this little tight band of people onboard the Ghost fighting together as a team against the Empire. The different characters played well together - this was a fun group - now the story is departing more and more from that formula. E.g. in this last Episode (ep.3 in season 3). Sabine was practically the only character with screen time, with Ezra and Kanan playing minor parts and Hera now assuming the role of a mission giver. Where is Chopper? Where is Zeb? Where is the group?

This reminds me of how the show "FRIENDS" was fun, but "JOEY" was not, not that "JOEY" was bad, it just was not as fun...please bring this merry band of heroes together again.

Fine, but only if Wedge can be in it too. And Hobbie. And Biggs. And Wes. And Tycho.

Yeah and then get rid of girly roller-derby-dressed mandalorian, Aladdin, Master Jedi #635, generic SW alien-pilot and furry Ka D'Argo.

I'll admit I like the droid, but flying astromechs in SW is dumb, sorry for him too.

That gives us a Rogue Squadron animation show, how convenient I'll sign for this with pleasure.

Even if you don't personally believe the theories about under-staffing, and personal stories from the table-top of TIE pilots shredding under-actioned CR-90s, it isn't unreasonable to believe that without the proper load-out of shields, tech, and guns, the hull is just a hull.

A way bigger and sturdier hull than ... let's say... a TIE bomber's ?

This is still early Rebel Alliance. Given how long old technology is used in this universe for all we know the Corvettes the rebels have could be many decades out of date. Not only that but it's been two years (or one) since the last season. In that time the Corvettes could have taken extensive damage the rebels couldn't properly repair that would minimize their capabilities greatly. Same with the A-Wings. They aren't at a starport any longer, they're hiding on an isolated back water planet of course all they're ships are terrible except for the Ghost which can more effectively find repairs at seed spaceports.

Not to mention Phoenix Cell very clearly is having staffing issues which they mention at the beginning of the episode due to heavy casualties constantly being inflicted by the Empire. "How many does that make this month?"

The interceptors in this also appear to be state of the art. You have a subpar, under crewed corvette versus brand new star fighters piloted by the Imperial elite and it's no wonder the Corvette got owned.

If we're going to have an extreme, which we will since this is a kids show, I would much rather they show the Rebels really sucking then the under equipped rebels constantly beating the far superior Empire. That's a far more interesting dynamic.

Even if you don't personally believe the theories about under-staffing, and personal stories from the table-top of TIE pilots shredding under-actioned CR-90s, it isn't unreasonable to believe that without the proper load-out of shields, tech, and guns, the hull is just a hull.

A way bigger and sturdier hull than ... let's say... a TIE bomber's ?

This is still early Rebel Alliance. Given how long old technology is used in this universe for all we know the Corvettes the rebels have could be many decades out of date. Not only that but it's been two years (or one) since the last season. In that time the Corvettes could have taken extensive damage the rebels couldn't properly repair that would minimize their capabilities greatly. Same with the A-Wings. They aren't at a starport any longer, they're hiding on an isolated back water planet of course all they're ships are terrible except for the Ghost which can more effectively find repairs at seed spaceports.

Not to mention Phoenix Cell very clearly is having staffing issues which they mention at the beginning of the episode due to heavy casualties constantly being inflicted by the Empire. "How many does that make this month?"

The interceptors in this also appear to be state of the art. You have a subpar, under crewed corvette versus brand new star fighters piloted by the Imperial elite and it's no wonder the Corvette got owned.

If we're going to have an extreme, which we will since this is a kids show, I would much rather they show the Rebels really sucking then the under equipped rebels constantly beating the far superior Empire. That's a far more interesting dynamic.

Phoenix squadron is living proof of that. (or dying proof, because there's not many living.)

This reminds me of how the show "FRIENDS" was fun, but "JOEY" was not, not that "JOEY" was bad, it just was not as fun...please bring this merry band of heroes together again.

Fine, but only if Wedge can be in it too. And Hobbie. And Biggs. And Wes. And Tycho.

Give them their own show: How I Met Your Fulcrum.

Even if you don't personally believe the theories about under-staffing, and personal stories from the table-top of TIE pilots shredding under-actioned CR-90s, it isn't unreasonable to believe that without the proper load-out of shields, tech, and guns, the hull is just a hull.

A way bigger and sturdier hull than ... let's say... a TIE bomber's ?

This is still early Rebel Alliance. Given how long old technology is used in this universe for all we know the Corvettes the rebels have could be many decades out of date. Not only that but it's been two years (or one) since the last season. In that time the Corvettes could have taken extensive damage the rebels couldn't properly repair that would minimize their capabilities greatly. Same with the A-Wings. They aren't at a starport any longer, they're hiding on an isolated back water planet of course all they're ships are terrible except for the Ghost which can more effectively find repairs at seed spaceports.

Not to mention Phoenix Cell very clearly is having staffing issues which they mention at the beginning of the episode due to heavy casualties constantly being inflicted by the Empire. "How many does that make this month?"

The interceptors in this also appear to be state of the art. You have a subpar, under crewed corvette versus brand new star fighters piloted by the Imperial elite and it's no wonder the Corvette got owned.

If we're going to have an extreme, which we will since this is a kids show, I would much rather they show the Rebels really sucking then the under equipped rebels constantly beating the far superior Empire. That's a far more interesting dynamic.

Sure, that explains why the corvette is less armored than a TIE Bomber and why it didn't use its crewed and operational quad anti-fighter turbolaser when it was being torn apart by three fighters.

This show is doing very poor job at showing Empire's superiority. Apparently the only capable Imperial vessels are TIE Advanced and TIE Interceptors, fighters that have their equivalents on the other side of the confict. Instead of making one man fighters stupidly OP, why not throw a cruiser or three against the corvette? It would make infinitely more sense and it would show that the Empire has bigger toys and more numbers. Or a Star Destroyer.. .ah wait, I forgot that those are unarmed in Rebels.

I still just wanna see A-Wings DO something. Whenever an A-Wing in any media ever at all dies, in my family it's almost a reflex to say, "Oh, guess they were part of Phoenix Squadron" or even worse, when I get an A-Wing pickup in Battlefront or something my little brother says, "Oh no, not Phoenix Squadron!"

I'm just saying its actually nice for once to see the Empire decimating the Rebels as it should be.

Sure, that explains why the corvette is less armored than a TIE Bomber and why it didn't use its crewed and operational quad anti-fighter turbolaser when it was being torn apart by three fighters.

This show is doing very poor job at showing Empire's superiority. Apparently the only capable Imperial vessels are TIE Advanced and TIE Interceptors, fighters that have their equivalents on the other side of the confict. Instead of making one man fighters stupidly OP, why not throw a cruiser or three against the corvette? It would make infinitely more sense and it would show that the Empire has bigger toys and more numbers. Or a Star Destroyer.. .ah wait, I forgot that those are unarmed in Rebels.

I guess but Tie Fighters were never good at anything but overwhelming numbers even in the old canon. Interceptor pilots were the tie fighter pilots that managed to survive long enough so of course they're the only real capable ones.

I know what you're saying. Trust me I was there the entire time throughout the Clone Wars saying the same thing with the Separatists. However almost eery time there is a star destroyer they run away from it. In fact the only time they ever engage the Imperials is when there are only fighters or Gozanti's deployed otherwise they try to get the heck out of dodge.

I enjoyed that episode. I want more Wedge and Hobbie.

I still just wanna see A-Wings DO something. Whenever an A-Wing in any media ever at all dies, in my family it's almost a reflex to say, "Oh, guess they were part of Phoenix Squadron" or even worse, when I get an A-Wing pickup in Battlefront or something my little brother says, "Oh no, not Phoenix Squadron!"

I remember this one episode with Sabine in an A-wing. Things were done then.

But I do agree, it would be really nice to have an A-wing pilot (Not Hobbie or Wedge because they end up X-wing pilots eventually, and not part of the ghost crew) do something, like shoot down one of those nifty new TIE interceptors. Maybe it's time for Tycho or Jake? (why not both? this also sets up for Thrawn to call in Le Baron Soontir Fel.)

They didn't even try to shoot at the Interceptors the first time around. Surely if you had a rapid firing quad turbolaser you would at least try tospray and pray if you had enemies flying straight at you and you couldn't possibly get a lock because your corvette's FCS can be jammed by a tiny TIE.

ECM does more in SW as well as ECCM than what it does in real life. The equipment they have not only interferes with photoelectrsopes, and every other light sensor used in sw, but it also disrupts Laser targeting.

If it can disrupt Laser targeting i think its reasonable to believe it can interfere with lasers in general.

I still just wanna see A-Wings DO something. Whenever an A-Wing in any media ever at all dies, in my family it's almost a reflex to say, "Oh, guess they were part of Phoenix Squadron" or even worse, when I get an A-Wing pickup in Battlefront or something my little brother says, "Oh no, not Phoenix Squadron!"

I remember this one episode with Sabine in an A-wing. Things were done then.

But I do agree, it would be really nice to have an A-wing pilot (Not Hobbie or Wedge because they end up X-wing pilots eventually, and not part of the ghost crew) do something, like shoot down one of those nifty new TIE interceptors. Maybe it's time for Tycho or Jake? (why not both? this also sets up for Thrawn to call in Le Baron Soontir Fel.)

One does wonder, if Wedge and Hobbie are sticking around at all, what exactly they are going to be flying.

Are they going to drop them into A-Wings?

Does that mean... Wedge and Hobbie as A-Wing pilots?!

I could see Wedge as an A-Wing pilot - that knock on enemy agility will do wonders to help their puny little guns hit their targets. Pair him with Test Pilot + Chardaan + Juke + PtL (because why not) and AT...yeah, that should land some hits.

Hell, even Hobbie would probably be a better A-Wing pilot than he was in his X-Wing - the ability to take two EPTs means his natural pairing with PtL doesn't cramp other EPTs that would work well for him.

...I guess but Tie Fighters were never good at anything but overwhelming numbers even in the old canon. Interceptor pilots were the tie fighter pilots that managed to survive long enough so of course they're the only real capable ones.

...

So the 8 ties of Black Squadron who took on 30 rebels (mostly Xs) at the battle of Yavin, and left only one Y (and a damaged Wedge) alive at the end of the dogfight, they were utterly useless? ... oh well. I suppose Vader and the death-ball helped.

...I guess but Tie Fighters were never good at anything but overwhelming numbers even in the old canon. Interceptor pilots were the tie fighter pilots that managed to survive long enough so of course they're the only real capable ones.

...

So the 8 ties of Black Squadron who took on 30 rebels (mostly Xs) at the battle of Yavin, and left only one Y (and a damaged Wedge) alive at the end of the dogfight, they were utterly useless? ... oh well. I suppose Vader and the death-ball helped.

Uhh... where you do get 8 TIEs? The Death Star carries what, at least 10 squadrons? The relevant line is Darth Vader saying, "Get the crews to their fighters." Kinda sounds like all of the fighters being scrambled... And the most Rebel snubs we ever see on screen at one time is the 16 from the initial Death Star approach, the only reason we know there's 30 of them is the flunky's line. If we're only relying on what we see, not what we know from other sources...

I still just wanna see A-Wings DO something. Whenever an A-Wing in any media ever at all dies, in my family it's almost a reflex to say, "Oh, guess they were part of Phoenix Squadron" or even worse, when I get an A-Wing pickup in Battlefront or something my little brother says, "Oh no, not Phoenix Squadron!"

Phoenix Squadron. Heh heh.

Cause... cause a phoenix.... and they keep dying.... and coming back...

Yeeeaahh, kay.