I still wouldn't mind an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie with McGregor. Dude put in so much work in the prequels that he deserves to do it again in a movie that allows him to shine.

I would totally be on board with a Matt Lanter dub of Revenge of the Sith.

I still wouldn't mind an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie with McGregor. Dude put in so much work in the prequels that he deserves to do it again in a movie that allows him to shine.

Don't get us wrong, Mcgregor is great to, but for voice acting? keep Taylor.

I still wouldn't mind an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie with McGregor. Dude put in so much work in the prequels that he deserves to do it again in a movie that allows him to shine.

I don't hate MacGregor, and he's aged enough to make an in-between movie possible at this point. With a better director he could certainly make the wry, snarky lines sound like they should.

But the man probably has Post-Traumatic Star Wars Actor Directed By Lucas Syndrome, or PTSWADBLS, and I'm not sure he'd want spend more time reprising that character.

I'm also throwing my weight behind Maul's vision being of Obi-Wan. The clues add up for that and don't really fit any other known conclusion.

I think Maul's line "he Lives" is referring to Obi Wan.

I think that's the assumption most of us are operating under - it's certainly the only person he'd be raging against that much, and Ezra's line about 'two suns'.

Still, though - other possibilities. Could Ezra have said 'two sons ', referring to Maul's "brother" Savage Opress? And Savage is alive, somehow? Or could Ezra have been seeing something else, entirely (after all, Ezra wanted to see the 'key to defeat the Sith' - which is surely Luke, on Tatooine)? Maybe what Maul saw was Yoda - I mean, we don't know what the "canonical" reason behind the cave of Dark Side energy is on Dagobah, do we? Maybe Maul comes to kill (or learn something from?) Yoda - and they fight, with Maul dying there?

Actually. Yes, I think that will be mauls end. Filoni likes to node into the EU and in the EU it had been established that a dark sider died in that cave. As well dogaba itself is a pure lightside planet outside of that. I am convinced now that Yoda is gonna defeat Maul. It would be very fitting that Obi-Wan is not having revenge.

I still wouldn't mind an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie with McGregor. Dude put in so much work in the prequels that he deserves to do it again in a movie that allows him to shine.

I don't hate MacGregor, and he's aged enough to make an in-between movie possible at this point. With a better director he could certainly make the wry, snarky lines sound like they should.

But the man probably has Post-Traumatic Star Wars Actor Directed By Lucas Syndrome, or PTSWADBLS, and I'm not sure he'd want spend more time reprising that character.

I'm also throwing my weight behind Maul's vision being of Obi-Wan. The clues add up for that and don't really fit any other known conclusion.

He wants, iirc he said so with enthusiasm, he just is not sure if he fits in the plans of disney.

I think Maul's line "he Lives" is referring to Obi Wan.

I think that's the assumption most of us are operating under - it's certainly the only person he'd be raging against that much, and Ezra's line about 'two suns'.

Still, though - other possibilities. Could Ezra have said 'two sons ', referring to Maul's "brother" Savage Opress? And Savage is alive, somehow? Or could Ezra have been seeing something else, entirely (after all, Ezra wanted to see the 'key to defeat the Sith' - which is surely Luke, on Tatooine)? Maybe what Maul saw was Yoda - I mean, we don't know what the "canonical" reason behind the cave of Dark Side energy is on Dagobah, do we? Maybe Maul comes to kill (or learn something from?) Yoda - and they fight, with Maul dying there?

Actually. Yes, I think that will be mauls end. Filoni likes to node into the EU and in the EU it had been established that a dark sider died in that cave. As well dogaba itself is a pure lightside planet outside of that. I am convinced now that Yoda is gonna defeat Maul. It would be very fitting that Obi-Wan is not having revenge.

The other factor sort of backing this up is that Maul had his revenge on Kenobi. He killed Satine, who died in Kenobi's arms - then Maul intentionally left Kenobi alive, to suffer in grief.

It wasn't Kenobi we saw Maul finally betrayed so completely by, but Sidious .

Who is also a 'he' that also 'lives'. So if this is vengeance against Sidious, he'd need someone who could have a chance at killing him (Maul having fought him several times at this point, and knowing he cannot). Who could possibly defeat Sidious? Well, Yoda almost did. Mace Windu also almost did.

(The question is, of course, whether they were both seeing the same thing, or different things. Pretty clear Ezra - looking for the 'key to defeat the Sith' and seeing 'two suns' was looking at Luke on Tatooine. Maul, on the other hand, was looking for something 'much simpler, although equally elusive - hope '. Which...I guess we all assumed was a lie. Maybe it wasn't?)

I think Maul's line "he Lives" is referring to Obi Wan.

I think that's the assumption most of us are operating under - it's certainly the only person he'd be raging against that much, and Ezra's line about 'two suns'.

Still, though - other possibilities. Could Ezra have said 'two sons ', referring to Maul's "brother" Savage Opress? And Savage is alive, somehow? Or could Ezra have been seeing something else, entirely (after all, Ezra wanted to see the 'key to defeat the Sith' - which is surely Luke, on Tatooine)? Maybe what Maul saw was Yoda - I mean, we don't know what the "canonical" reason behind the cave of Dark Side energy is on Dagobah, do we? Maybe Maul comes to kill (or learn something from?) Yoda - and they fight, with Maul dying there?

Actually. Yes, I think that will be mauls end. Filoni likes to node into the EU and in the EU it had been established that a dark sider died in that cave. As well dogaba itself is a pure lightside planet outside of that. I am convinced now that Yoda is gonna defeat Maul. It would be very fitting that Obi-Wan is not having revenge.

The other factor sort of backing this up is that Maul had his revenge on Kenobi. He killed Satine, who died in Kenobi's arms - then Maul intentionally left Kenobi alive, to suffer in grief.

It wasn't Kenobi we saw Maul finally betrayed so completely by, but Sidious .

Who is also a 'he' that also 'lives'. So if this is vengeance against Sidious, he'd need someone who could have a chance at killing him (Maul having fought him several times at this point, and knowing he cannot). Who could possibly defeat Sidious? Well, Yoda almost did. Mace Windu also almost did.

(The question is, of course, whether they were both seeing the same thing, or different things. Pretty clear Ezra - looking for the 'key to defeat the Sith' and seeing 'two suns' was looking at Luke on Tatooine. Maul, on the other hand, was looking for something 'much simpler, although equally elusive - hope '. Which...I guess we all assumed was a lie. Maybe it wasn't?)

I kind of assume they saw the same thing - something to do with Tatooine.

That result both shows the key to the Sith being destroyed, and offers hope (Luke and Obi-Wan). But, as noted by his complete failure to open the Jedi Holocron, Maul cannot put himself in the proper mindset of a Jedi. So it would be natural for him to immediately switch from hope to Revenge. Say what you will about Ezra's touch with darkness - he's definitely not so far gone as to be unable to still think and act like a Jedi.

I think Maul's line "he Lives" is referring to Obi Wan.

I think that's the assumption most of us are operating under - it's certainly the only person he'd be raging against that much, and Ezra's line about 'two suns'.

Still, though - other possibilities. Could Ezra have said 'two sons ', referring to Maul's "brother" Savage Opress? And Savage is alive, somehow? Or could Ezra have been seeing something else, entirely (after all, Ezra wanted to see the 'key to defeat the Sith' - which is surely Luke, on Tatooine)? Maybe what Maul saw was Yoda - I mean, we don't know what the "canonical" reason behind the cave of Dark Side energy is on Dagobah, do we? Maybe Maul comes to kill (or learn something from?) Yoda - and they fight, with Maul dying there?

Actually. Yes, I think that will be mauls end. Filoni likes to node into the EU and in the EU it had been established that a dark sider died in that cave. As well dogaba itself is a pure lightside planet outside of that. I am convinced now that Yoda is gonna defeat Maul. It would be very fitting that Obi-Wan is not having revenge.

The other factor sort of backing this up is that Maul had his revenge on Kenobi. He killed Satine, who died in Kenobi's arms - then Maul intentionally left Kenobi alive, to suffer in grief.

It wasn't Kenobi we saw Maul finally betrayed so completely by, but Sidious .

Who is also a 'he' that also 'lives'. So if this is vengeance against Sidious, he'd need someone who could have a chance at killing him (Maul having fought him several times at this point, and knowing he cannot). Who could possibly defeat Sidious? Well, Yoda almost did. Mace Windu also almost did.

(The question is, of course, whether they were both seeing the same thing, or different things. Pretty clear Ezra - looking for the 'key to defeat the Sith' and seeing 'two suns' was looking at Luke on Tatooine. Maul, on the other hand, was looking for something 'much simpler, although equally elusive - hope '. Which...I guess we all assumed was a lie. Maybe it wasn't?)

Thats a good point. So Kenobi isn't too much of a concern (although, maybe he wants to turn him to the dark side, not have his revenge, wouldn't say he is out of the picture entirely) and Palpatine is pretty obviously alive. So The one person he cares about left would be his brother. Thats also someone who would give him hope.

Could he have survived? Well, Palpatine left pretty much immediatly (and probably didn't care) and Maul didn't have much of an opportunity to properly check on him. He surely was at deaths door, but who knows what nightsister powers can do?

I think Maul's line "he Lives" is referring to Obi Wan.

I think that's the assumption most of us are operating under - it's certainly the only person he'd be raging against that much, and Ezra's line about 'two suns'.

Still, though - other possibilities. Could Ezra have said 'two sons ', referring to Maul's "brother" Savage Opress? And Savage is alive, somehow? Or could Ezra have been seeing something else, entirely (after all, Ezra wanted to see the 'key to defeat the Sith' - which is surely Luke, on Tatooine)? Maybe what Maul saw was Yoda - I mean, we don't know what the "canonical" reason behind the cave of Dark Side energy is on Dagobah, do we? Maybe Maul comes to kill (or learn something from?) Yoda - and they fight, with Maul dying there?

Actually. Yes, I think that will be mauls end. Filoni likes to node into the EU and in the EU it had been established that a dark sider died in that cave. As well dogaba itself is a pure lightside planet outside of that. I am convinced now that Yoda is gonna defeat Maul. It would be very fitting that Obi-Wan is not having revenge.

The other factor sort of backing this up is that Maul had his revenge on Kenobi. He killed Satine, who died in Kenobi's arms - then Maul intentionally left Kenobi alive, to suffer in grief.

It wasn't Kenobi we saw Maul finally betrayed so completely by, but Sidious .

Who is also a 'he' that also 'lives'. So if this is vengeance against Sidious, he'd need someone who could have a chance at killing him (Maul having fought him several times at this point, and knowing he cannot). Who could possibly defeat Sidious? Well, Yoda almost did. Mace Windu also almost did.

(The question is, of course, whether they were both seeing the same thing, or different things. Pretty clear Ezra - looking for the 'key to defeat the Sith' and seeing 'two suns' was looking at Luke on Tatooine. Maul, on the other hand, was looking for something 'much simpler, although equally elusive - hope '. Which...I guess we all assumed was a lie. Maybe it wasn't?)

Thats a good point. So Kenobi isn't too much of a concern (although, maybe he wants to turn him to the dark side, not have his revenge, wouldn't say he is out of the picture entirely) and Palpatine is pretty obviously alive. So The one person he cares about left would be his brother. Thats also someone who would give him hope.

Could he have survived? Well, Palpatine left pretty much immediatly (and probably didn't care) and Maul didn't have much of an opportunity to properly check on him. He surely was at deaths door, but who knows what nightsister powers can do?

There is also Hondo!

But I think the point was not that he learned that Siodious is alive, it's pretty safe to assume he knew that already, considering he wanted his revenge on the Sith, but that he learned that someone who could help him challenge Sidious is alive.

And that would be Savage.Palpatine destroyed the two of them before they were strong enough to rival him, but given enough time in hiding they could rise.

Chances are it refers to Kenobi: if Maul was also looking for a new hope to destroy Palpatine he'd have seen Tatooine.

Chances are it refers to Kenobi: if Maul was also looking for a new hope to destroy Palpatine he'd have seen Tatooine.

He isn't looking to save the galaxy from Palp, he wants his own personal revenge.

Self fulfilling prophecies can be interesting. He may have seen something other than Tatooine, and by following that course, its futility leads to his own destruction and allows/causes the inevitable outcome that we've seen in the movies.

Chances are it refers to Kenobi: if Maul was also looking for a new hope to destroy Palpatine he'd have seen Tatooine.

He isn't looking to save the galaxy from Palp, he wants his own personal revenge.

...which also happens to involve killing Palpatine.

In the Fight between Maul / Savage and Palpatine, Savage was thoroughly overclassed. So far, the only one that managed to stand up to Palpatine is Yoda. Could Maul hope to go to Dathomir and convinced Yoda that together they could defeat the Sith?

Chances are it refers to Kenobi: if Maul was also looking for a new hope to destroy Palpatine he'd have seen Tatooine.

He isn't looking to save the galaxy from Palp, he wants his own personal revenge.

A new hope for himself, not the galaxy.

In the Fight between Maul / Savage and Palpatine, Savage was thoroughly overclassed. So far, the only one that managed to stand up to Palpatine is Yoda. Could Maul hope to go to Dathomir and convinced Yoda that together they could defeat the Sith?

Yoda, or Mace Windu. Either are assumed dead at this point, and either could have been seen by Maul as a surprise. (I mean, Mace came a lot closer to killing Palpatine than Yoda did...although it's possible that ol' sparky was just faking it to force Anakin to intervene)

I rather like the idea that he saw Savage.

I actually hate the idea he saw Savage. It would be a straight rehash of that same storyline from TCW - just reversed - and show that Maul has no real idea on how to move his plans and life forward. Plus, it would mean he'd be giving up on Ezra as his apprentice (There can be only two), and I actually LIKE that twisted father-figure dynamic he has: "I'm doing this for your own good, son." It would be a straight shame to lose that.

Saying that it was Yoda because there was a Dark Side cave on the planet and there has to be a Darksider (Maul) killed to make it is once again letting the EU lead you by the nose. I don't think that's true.

Obi-Wan seems like the safest bet. Not only is it close to what both of them wanted from their visions, but it's been mentioned as a possibility elsewhere.

The Dark Saber was in the previews. Who was the last known owner of that? I'd say he's headed there.

The Dark Saber was in the previews. Who was the last known owner of that? I'd say he's headed there.

The last canonical owner of it was Maul, although he apparently 'lost it' when fighting Sidious and Grievous on Dathomir. It seems to have returned to the possession of the Mandalorians since that point.

The Dark Saber was in the previews. Who was the last known owner of that? I'd say he's headed there.

The last canonical owner of it was Maul, although he apparently 'lost it' when fighting Sidious and Grievous on Dathomir. It seems to have returned to the possession of the Mandalorians since that point.

Or maybe Maul goes to Dathomir to retrieve it.

And that would be Savage.Palpatine destroyed the two of them before they were strong enough to rival him, but given enough time in hiding they could rise.

Plus, it would mean he'd be giving up on Ezra as his apprentice (There can be only two)

Obi-wan, Savage, Yoda......

or maybe a new character!

This is like the whole Rey's parents thing, would it really be odd if they just introduce new characters?

The Dark Saber was in the previews. Who was the last known owner of that? I'd say he's headed there.

The last canonical owner of it was Maul, although he apparently 'lost it' when fighting Sidious and Grievous on Dathomir. It seems to have returned to the possession of the Mandalorians since that point.

Oh, wait. To become the leader of the Deathwatch you need to defeat/kill the leader of the Deathwatch.

There are imperial Mandalorians, and Maul lost the Darksaber to Sidious.

Is Palpatine the leader of the Deathwatch? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to waste a cadre of foreign bodyguards; even if he did gain their loyalty by coincidence while just doing his own evil Sith thing.