But none of it is pointless. The creators of the Clone Wars are obviously very skilled at knowing how to make the journey worth it despite the ending being in sight. Every episode will help us understand the characters and the Universe more, and the story will fit neatly where Disney/Lucas films wants it to sit.

I think it's safe to say we have no idea who is going to survive in this series, but I think it's a strange statement that no one is going to die either. Just as I find it a strange statement that knowing the outcome of a story makes he whole story not worth indulging in. There's amazing pieces of film and literature that start with the end, why? So you pay attention to how they got there.

What I want to know is, where is Ventress? She's the real wild card, being a Sith burned by the Sith. If she shows up and does something awesome I'll be a happy camper. Ditto Cad Bane.

Ventress is dead.

Isn't Vos still alive though?

Don't believe he's died in the new Canon, so yeah he's still around, just in hiding.

Ezra is going to be set on the dark path, probably by the last 2 episodes of the season. Whether he continues on that path I am not sure of but wouldn't that be cool if the major conflict of season 3 is Kanan trying to redeem Ezra? There would be such a turmoil in the crew of the Ghost and some might even think it best to take Ezra out. Kanan is true enough of a Jedi to attempt turning him back to the light, willing even to sacrifice himself in the process.

Why are you guys so sure he's going on the Dark Path?

I wonder, maybe ezra will choose neither the light or the dark..... following a similar path to ahsoka. After of course he tastes the forbidden fruit.

Just as I find it a strange statement that knowing the outcome of a story makes he whole story not worth indulging in.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the first time you read a book or see a movie, not knowing how it will turn out or what will happen is pretty much always more enjoyable then the 2nd time. A good story can be read/watched many times and enjoyed. But it will always lack something when you know what's going to happen.

With the clone wars, you knew what was going to happen in the end. Sure you may not know how it was going to get there, but that's only part of the story.

With Rebels on the other hand, we have no idea how it will end, because it doesn't have to end a given way. None of the crew must die or turn to the dark side. That doesn't mean none of them won't die, I expect that Asoka will be killed by Vader at some point. But none of their fates are sealed the same way Anakin's was.

Agreed, with the obvious exception of Ahsoka.

I can't see how she can possibly survive. I just can't.

I'd love to see Rex' reaction to Vader, and Vader's reaction to Rex.

I can't see how she can possibly survive. I just can't.

She could walk away from everything. Fight Vader and have it be a draw or perhaps he is conflicted and she manages to escape.

At which point she gives up all hope for the future, because if her master can't withstand the dark side what chance does she have? So she chucks it all and becomes a hermit somewhere.

I'm not saying that will happen I think Vader will kill her putting even further down the path of the dark side. I think she will die to save the crew as well.

But I don't think it's required that she dies, she doesn't even need to be removed from the story. She could realize she'll never be a match for Anakin/Vader and still work with the Rebel's but avoid anything to do with him from now on.

The thing is, I don't think Vader would allow her to live.

The thing is, I don't think Vader would allow her to live.

Maybe, maybe not... He let Luke live, and he was a lot closer to snipps then he was Luke, even though Luke was his son, it's not like he actually ever knew him.

How far down the path of the dark side is he at this point? Is he like a new convert who's on fire or is has he seen enough he sometimes questions his choice. What impact would seeing his former padawan have on him? Would he see her as another failure on his part or as one of the few good things he did?

When he sensed her in the Siege of Lothal that seemed to have shaken him, and that was IMO anyway why Phoenix was able to escape.

I think it's unlikely she'll survive, I think she'll die heroically to save the crew and perhaps more, and because that's the story they want to tell. But I like to think the people behind Rebels are creative enough that they don't feel they are forced to do something a given way because of one line in ESB.

Well, all she has to do is backflip onto a 5ft hill and then she gains invincibility. I hear Anakin has that kind of vulnerability.

Kidding aside though, we're kind of in uncharted waters here. Ahsoka isn't bound by the jedi code. I don't think I've seen any hint that she finds it her duty to try and save him. She might not even be bound by the strict divisions of light and dark. Maybe she'll use force lightning, that would be awesome. There's still a secret mission in her past (post TCW) that will be explored soon.

Didn't Filoni mention at the beginning of this season/sometime last season that at this point in time Vader was surely darkside/evil?

Ultimately time will tell. Maybe I'll be surprised but I don't think Ahsoka will survive.

I wonder what will become of Ezra. They basically said he will fall to the dark side... There are some speculations he will be the main villain in episode Vlll (played by Benicio del Torro).

Yeesh, so Ezra gets even uglier? What is WRONG with these people?

Naw, but seriously, I don't think they said that. All Jedi go through these crisis of faith moments, in part because it's good TV. Ezra's not emotionally unstable enough to slide into sithdom, which seems to be the prerequisite (for that matter, neither is Kanan). If you'll notice, Anakin had major anger issues to the point of being the SW equivalent of the Hulk. The more you pissed him off, the more powerful he got. Ezra.... not so much. He tends to cool down rapidly, and is generally a nice, stable kid.

Who looks like a goat.

E and K are both at risk for just plain martyrdom, K more than E. E is much, much better at saving his own butt. If I were a writer and wanted to turn the series on its ear, I'd have K sacrifice himself for the greater good, and Hera after him. That'll shake the kids up enough to move them into adulthood.

Ahsoka? Yeah, she's history. Don't get too attached to her. Vader's going to try to turn her, then when he can't, he'll punch her ticket. It'll probably buy the Gang time to escape Certain Doom.

What I want to know is, where is Ventress? She's the real wild card, being a Sith burned by the Sith. If she shows up and does something awesome I'll be a happy camper. Ditto Cad Bane.

Ventress died in the book Dark Disciple fighting for her love, Quinlan Voss. An amazing book that nearly left me in tears.

edit: Voss did survive the end of the book. Who knows, might see him again.

I wonder, maybe ezra will choose neither the light or the dark..... following a similar path to ahsoka.

Ahsoka clearly follows the Light Side path. She simply doesn't follow the Jedi path.

The thing is, I don't think Vader would allow her to live.

Maybe, maybe not... He let Luke live, and he was a lot closer to snipps then he was Luke, even though Luke was his son, it's not like he actually ever knew him.

How far down the path of the dark side is he at this point? Is he like a new convert who's on fire or is has he seen enough he sometimes questions his choice. What impact would seeing his former padawan have on him? Would he see her as another failure on his part or as one of the few good things he did?

When he sensed her in the Siege of Lothal that seemed to have shaken him, and that was IMO anyway why Phoenix was able to escape.

I think it's unlikely she'll survive, I think she'll die heroically to save the crew and perhaps more, and because that's the story they want to tell. But I like to think the people behind Rebels are creative enough that they don't feel they are forced to do something a given way because of one line in ESB.

And Ahsoka isn't Luke. That's sort of the point. The only one who can bring back Anakin is Luke. Not Obi-wan. Not Ahsoka. People whine about more living Jedi being around diminishes Luke's importance. No, they don't. Because those Jedi can't do what Luke did, which is bring back Anakin.

I'm sure Vader will give her the same offer he gave Luke, just because she is a powerful potential apprentice. And I am down for her to attempt to bring out Anakin again. And fail. Because that just emphasizes how important Luke is. Ahsoka is up there with Obi-wan and Padme in terms of who is important to Anakin.

Or maybe she needed to find peace with her decision, and that was Yodas way of doing it.

Or it was the force acting as a mirror for her own mind.

So open to interpretation.

Which I honestly think is the best way to go; give fans a thing to discus, not a definite answer to every question

That is Filoni's approach. They're not going to explain wtf was up with Mortis for example.

I wonder, maybe ezra will choose neither the light or the dark..... following a similar path to ahsoka.

Ahsoka clearly follows the Light Side path. She simply doesn't follow the Jedi path.

I think it's clear that she's not dark side, even a little. That doesn't automatically make her light side path though. She's more akin to the Imperial Knights, who were considered 'Gray'. And, the Imperial Knights also used white/silver blades. The point being, there's a third option as opposed to being either light or dark (jedi or sith).

The point being, there's a third option as opposed to being either light or dark (jedi or sith).

Well, yeah, you can be light without being a Jedi and dark without being a Sith. Jedi are not the only followers of the Light Side in the galaxy.

Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi, but she still clearly follows the Light in her actions and beliefs.

How far down the path of the dark side is he at this point? Is he like a new convert who's on fire or is has he seen enough he sometimes questions his choice. What impact would seeing his former padawan have on him? Would he see her as another failure on his part or as one of the few good things he did?

Vader doesn't shake until he finds out who Luke is.

What you have to understand about Vader is on the surface he doesn't believe he is Anakin, he believes he was Anakin. He treats Anakin like a different person: hence when talking to Palpatine it's Anakin's apprentice, Anakin's son, not his. This is a coping mechanism.

When he encounters Ahsoka it reminds him of who he was and everything he's lost and he has an overwhelming drive to destroy it. Ahsoka isn't someone who means something to him who could redeem him, she's a reminder of Anakin. The only reason he doesn't want to kill her outright is because he believes she could lead them to Kenobi. Luke, however, isn't a figure from Vader's past. He's a chance to get what Vader lost back. This is why Vader tries to get him to join him and how he's so utterly broken at the end of Episode V when Luke rejects him and escapes.

People whine about more living Jedi being around diminishes Luke's importance. No, they don't. Because those Jedi can't do what Luke did, which is bring back Anakin

I agree completely, plus as I said in the Imperial Assault form, the idea that Luke is the only living Jedi is really kind of nonsense. There's no way the Empire could actually hunt down every Jedi in the Galaxy unless the Emperor can somehow detect them even though they don't actually use the force.

But since he couldn't find Obi-wan or Yoda, then clearly he can't. So there really has to be other Jedi left out there.

Wasn't mortis explained at least a little in the Aboleth arc?

Also Obi-Wan didn't seem to be using the force much, and Yoda in oldcanon hid in a dark side infused area.

The less said about Fate of the Jedi, the better. I will always love Denning for Star by Star, but he sort of went off the rails once he pulled a Palpatine and took over the EU.

Just a wee bit, yes.

Also Obi-Wan didn't seem to be using the force much

In one of Star Wars comics, a one shot featuring Obi-Wan it talks about how he makes a point of not using the force so no one can find him.

Obi-wan also hid in a place

I wonder, maybe ezra will choose neither the light or the dark..... following a similar path to ahsoka.

Ahsoka clearly follows the Light Side path. She simply doesn't follow the Jedi path.

I think it's clear that she's not dark side, even a little. That doesn't automatically make her light side path though. She's more akin to the Imperial Knights, who were considered 'Gray'. And, the Imperial Knights also used white/silver blades. The point being, there's a third option as opposed to being either light or dark (jedi or sith).

In obi WANs case, it was also the fact tattooine was a painful memory for Vader. One he avoided almost unconsciously.

Wasn't mortis explained at least a little in the Aboleth arc?

Also Obi-Wan didn't seem to be using the force much, and Yoda in oldcanon hid in a dark side infused area.

They were getting there but that's old canon now.