I still love that we got
the real and only
Billy Dee Williams and James Earl Jones for Lando and Vader. They're the original characters!
(Seriously, who cares what colors we are? We're all going to be robots in the future anyway.
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(Though will we be Apple-white robots, or Microsoft-black robots?
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(OMG, what if we're chrome? Or brass with red-wood inlay!? No-one is safe.
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What I want to know is where that construction project has gone and how this will will tie in with Rogue One?
Love all the character stuff too ☺
I half wonder if maybe Kallus won't start wondering about Geonosis, starting asking too many of the "wrong" questions, and end up showing up in Rogue One as an Imperial defector that leaks the Death Star plans to the Rebels.
Listed in no particular order, and far from a complete list:
- Whales that swim in the vacuum of space.
- Darth Vader, the second in command of the entire empire bothering to show up in person to take care of a small band of rag-tag resistance fighters who have been making trouble in one measly system.
- WHY DOES C3PO AND R2-D2 HAVE TO SHOW UP EVERY GORRAM WHERE!? (sorry, pet peeve)
- Apparantly the Empire cannot track a single ship that flies up from one town on a planet and then lands on another part of the planet. Apparantly, all you have to do to get away from the Empire, is to fly a bit farther away on the same planet you're on. In a spaceship. While they have Star Destroyers in orbit. And TIE Fighters patrolling. And all kinds of communication towers available.
But nope, just go straight up to the clouds, take a left, fly a bit and then go down and land, and you'll be perfectly fine. No wonder the Empire can't stop the Rebel Alliance.
There's more, but I really can't be bothered. Since you seem to think there's nothing childish about the show in the first place, I doubt anything I say will change that.
Well, as noted:
- As noted by others, we've already had that in the OT, right from the second movie.
- Given "the Rebellion" has been established as not a singular entity you could wipe out in one attack, but a myriad of individual cells (which makes more sense, anyway - that's how rebellions actually work ), it makes the OT just as silly with Vader personally chasing down one other Rebel cell with just as much fervor. But that's basically his only job - 'chase down Rebel cells that have Jedi in them'.
- Presuming some core of Lucas's original plan remains (and even as of 'The Force Awakens', I can't see anything that would conflict with it), the reason R2-D2 shows up everywhere is that he is the one telling the story . IE., the entirety of the 'Star Wars' saga (at least, all the 'Episodes'), from beginning to end, was witnessed by R2-D2...literally the only character there for everything, and who never had his memory wiped. But he's basically just a glorified computer, so doesn't exactly volunteer information in an endless stream. One day, somebody does ask him what he knows about this whole 'Clone Wars' and 'Jedi' and 'Sith' stuff, and...well, this is the story as he knows it.
- Also as noted by others, it's established as a point of dialog right from the pilot that the Ghost scrambles its signature so that it doesn't read as the same ship. Still, once it starts REALLY fighting the Empire, they don't stay fooled for long (a second-season episode has Kallus immediately identifying the ship as the Ghost on a bridge officer simply noting a Correllian VCX-100 entering the system).
1: And the others were wrong. The Exogorth didn't swim through space. At least they were never shown doing that in any official material. They simply lived on large asteroids.
2: Not really. In Ep IV he's chasing down the ship carrying the stolen death star plans. That's the kind of mission you send your very best on. In Ep V he's not chasing down a small rebel cell, he's attacking one of the main rebel bases and then he's chasing his son. In Ep VI he's actually not chasing anyone. He just happens to be at the death star.
3: That makes no sense since he wasn't around for all of the events in Rebels, only a small part.
4: Are you trying to tell me that when the Empire is tracking a ship with rebels, they'll just stop tracking it if the signal changes? That's the dumbest I've heard in a while. I'm not talking about when they jump away in hyperspace and later return to the planet. I'm talking about litterally flying up a bit from the planet (not even leaving orbit) and then fly a bit away from where they were on the planet, and then land again. And you're saying the Empire would stop tracking that if the identification signal changed?
Right...
1) It's no more or less ridiculous to say "these space whales can survive and even move through space" than it is to say "These space wizards actually have mystical powers connecting them to all living things, oh, and laser swords that somehow mysteriously terminate a mere meter from the generator instead of going on forever." Why is one so much harder for you to accept than the other? Star Wars is fiction with more mythology than science in it, has been since the beginning.
2) Darth Vader is a troubleshooter for Emperor Palpatine, his go-to man to hunt down Jedi that survived the purge as well as whatever other odd jobs came up. Guess what Kanan and his padawan are? His involvement seems pretty clear-cut to me. The authority Vader derives is because it's the EMPEROR who sends him out, not because he himself is high-ranking.
3) Because... they're R2-D2 and C-3P0? Yeah, R2 only has the one episode, but this is a side story to the main Rebellion after all, not the major one. Star Wars has always been about mixing the familiar with the new, and the two droids are highly familiar. Frankly, it kind of annoys me too.
4) And what kind of traffic does Lothal have on an average basis for the Ghost to hide in, as an important planet in the Outer Rim that the Empire was constructing materiel factories on? We do know that when the Empire locked down the planet the Ghost was useless to them; also, later on the signature hiding also becomes useless to them - otherwise why try a blockade run against the whatever planet the B-Wing was needed for? Presumably the Empire cracked it once they knew it was being used against them.
But here's the thing: None of these 'problems' are bad. None of them are fatal flaws which undercut the entire reality of the show and CANNOT be explained in some way or another - it's not like watching He-Man and wondering, "Why doesn't he just cut Skeletor in half with his big sword?" or Sailor Moon and wondering, "Why doesn't anyone recognize this girl when she's somehow wearing even LESS than she was before?"
Unless, of course, one has decided to dislike the show, and is scrambling for excuses to justify that dislike. If you dislike it solely based on what it adds to canon, you must have HATED the Extended Universe, holy crap was there some truly dumb things in there.
I could keep on refuting this, but like I said, those were just a few examples.
I'm not going to go through an entire laundry-list of things that are wrong with the show (IMHO), because it would only be met with another laundry-list of reasons you don't agree.
I think it's a childish show and I think it's detremental to the Star Wars canon as a whole that this kids show with kids sentiments and logic (sometimes to the point of me thinking that it's actually written by kids) is actually considered 100% canon.
Anything that happens in the show is real and fact in the larger world of Star Wars.
Now, I know you don't think the same, and I won't be able to change your mind on that, but that's how I feel and I'm certainly not alone in it.
Personally, I don't care if you agree or not, I'm just trying to get you to understand why I don't like the show and why I don't think it's a good thing that it's considered 100% canon.
The EU wasn't considered canon (at all, according to Lucas), so I didn't care if some puffy floating pink mist was farting about in the galaxy. Because it didn't affect the movies one bit.
And I'd be equally fine with this if it wasn't considered canon. Like I said earlier, it's as bad as if the Ewok movies and Droids cartoon was considered canon.
Let's just leave it at that, ok?
Edited by OddballE8Back to the last episode, I did like them showing Kallus as more than just an evil guy. As a honorable warrior and all that. And I think it would be cool to see him in Rogue One or another of the live action movies. But I don't think it will happen. And that brings me to what used to casually bother me, but recently has been bugging me more, and that is why isn't Kallus black? The actor who voices him is a black actor from England. Why make Kallus white at all? I don't understand. If they had just modeled the character off the actor they could have used said actor to portray Kallus in live action. Is there no black Imperials? Or is there just racist artists? Or is there just some benign reason I am missing?
Kanan is played by THE Lt. Christopher Blair from Wing Commander? Well that's just perfect casting I say!Yeah.... here. Enjoy... I think.
Kanan Jarrus = Freddie Prinze Jr.
It really is. I love how things come full circle.
Edited by Spaceman91Back to the last episode, I did like them showing Kallus as more than just an evil guy. As a honorable warrior and all that. And I think it would be cool to see him in Rogue One or another of the live action movies. But I don't think it will happen. And that brings me to what used to casually bother me, but recently has been bugging me more, and that is why isn't Kallus black? The actor who voices him is a black actor from England. Why make Kallus white at all? I don't understand. If they had just modeled the character off the actor they could have used said actor to portray Kallus in live action. Is there no black Imperials? Or is there just racist artists? Or is there just some benign reason I am missing?
Yeah.... here. Enjoy... I think.
Poor Chopper doesn't even get a voice actor.
What I want to know is where that construction project has gone and how this will will tie in with Rogue One?
Love all the character stuff too ☺
I half wonder if maybe Kallus won't start wondering about Geonosis, starting asking too many of the "wrong" questions, and end up showing up in Rogue One as an Imperial defector that leaks the Death Star plans to the Rebels.
Ohhhh.....! I like that! That would be really cool. Just watched the latest episode yesterday with my son. We both loved it. We both were wondering if maybe Kallus will change sides.
Kallus was designed first, and then they found a voice actor.Back to the last episode, I did like them showing Kallus as more than just an evil guy. As a honorable warrior and all that. And I think it would be cool to see him in Rogue One or another of the live action movies. But I don't think it will happen. And that brings me to what used to casually bother me, but recently has been bugging me more, and that is why isn't Kallus black? The actor who voices him is a black actor from England. Why make Kallus white at all? I don't understand. If they had just modeled the character off the actor they could have used said actor to portray Kallus in live action. Is there no black Imperials? Or is there just racist artists? Or is there just some benign reason I am missing?
Ok that makes sense. If that is the case, then good on Disney for giving the best candidate the job.
... but the idea that it's R2 being the passive observer of the story (and possibly the one telling the story too) actually makes a lot of **** sense. 3P0 being his domestic robot partner means that he's gotta be involved too.
I have heard this as well, R2-D2 is the person telling the tale: "A Long time ago...." However, I cannot find where this is written? Wookepidia, Wikipedia, Starwars.com
Does anyone know where it states this about R2?
I've heard to the contrary - that it's actually a species known as the Whill. (Of which Yoda is suspected to belong to).
I've heard to the contrary - that it's actually a species known as the Whill. (Of which Yoda is suspected to belong to).
Cool... do you have the source?
I thought it was some quote from Lucas.
I've actually been quite pleased with how restrained they've been on the cameos. I suppose it helps that its more fun for them to draw on the Clone Wars for these kinds of things. Nothing in the show has been as painfully forced as Poe's mother's celebrity tour in Shattered Empire, fwiw.
I will say season 1 had more moments I needed to excuse it for being a kids show. Season 2 has largely been freer in scope, which has removed a lot of need to make silly excuses for things. Probably the most painful moment was the B-Wing super weapon. Outside that, I can't say there's been much of anything I cringed to see added to the world, and I've been surprised just how much the crew of the Ghost has grown on me as valued additions to the mythos.
That said, I'm dreading whenever they decide to address Kannan and Hera, because the writing for them has been absolutely stellar, and anything less than "they're simply married" is going to be dreadful.
Yet, you can't find a more unreliable source.
Well that settles the question about what class of Noble Warriors inspired The Jedi, huh?
He sounds like the Grand Inquisitor..... and he has the ear disks to.
Well that settles the question about what class of Noble Warriors inspired The Jedi, huh?
He sounds like the Grand Inquisitor..... and he has the ear disks to.
He's voiced by Jason Isaacs, his movements and poses are very similar to the Grand Inquisitor's, and his Temple Guard outfit is basically a palette swap of the Grand Inquisitor's. Preeeetty sure this is a Force vision that Kanan is having, and it's of the Grand Inquisitor's time as a Temple Guard.
Well that settles the question about what class of Noble Warriors inspired The Jedi, huh?
He sounds like the Grand Inquisitor..... and he has the ear disks to.
He's voiced by Jason Isaacs, his movements and poses are very similar to the Grand Inquisitor's, and his Temple Guard outfit is basically a palette swap of the Grand Inquisitor's. Preeeetty sure this is a Force vision that Kanan is having, and it's of the Grand Inquisitor's time as a Temple Guard.
I like where this is going....
His prediction is nearly true though.... We kinda know Ezra is going to turn to the dark side since the spoiled Maul becoming his master back in January...
Speaking of which they really need to stop spoiling the entire season in one huge teaser.
We don't yet know the full story on Maul.
What I want to know is where that construction project has gone and how this will will tie in with Rogue One?
Love all the character stuff too ☺
I half wonder if maybe Kallus won't start wondering about Geonosis, starting asking too many of the "wrong" questions, and end up showing up in Rogue One as an Imperial defector that leaks the Death Star plans to the Rebels.
Ohhhh.....! I like that! That would be really cool. Just watched the latest episode yesterday with my son. We both loved it. We both were wondering if maybe Kallus will change sides.
In a way, the ground work for this is set up. In the book A New Dawn, Captain Rae Soloane helped out Hera & Kanan by turning on an Imperial agent who went rouge. The rouge agent was doing wrong, from her point of view, and helped the heroes defeat "it". I can see Kallus doing just that, seeing the injustice the Death Star brings and he allows the plans to be stolen.
Well, remember he said he didn't see the point. Doesn't exactly scream totally against the practice.
Well that settles the question about what class of Noble Warriors inspired The Jedi, huh?
His prediction is nearly true though.... We kinda know Ezra is going to turn to the dark side since the spoiled Maul becoming his master back in January...
Speaking of which they really need to stop spoiling the entire season in one huge teaser.
He simply said, "Call me... Old Master..."
That doesn't mean "lol you can call me your old master".
I have heard this as well, R2-D2 is the person telling the tale: "A Long time ago...." However, I cannot find where this is written? Wookepidia, Wikipedia, Starwars.com
Does anyone know where it states this about R2?
I've heard this as well, though purely as a fan theory. It actually makes a lot of sense, and helps explain a lot of the crap from the prequels. After all, he got seriously messed up on a regular basis during Episodes 4-6, up to and including taking a pair of heavy anti-ship lasers TO THE FACE, so I'm certain his memories are more than a little fragmented in spots. Add to that the fact that he would have had to piece together bits he wasn't present for from secondary sources and a fair bit of editorializing(clearly, he thought Jar-Jar was an *******), and we've got the conclusion that overall events happened the way he described, but a lot of the weirder details may simply be figments from the mind of a really old laser-addled droid.