I just don't see why Everything Imperial has to be wedge shape and TIE's, and everything rebel has to be organic/phallic.

Because Star Wars is primarily visual stories, movies and TV shows, with a distinctive, somewhat exaggerated, design aesthetic. Under those circumstances you want the audience to easily and immediately be able to distinguish between the different groups. Especially in space scenes when there isn't going to be a character narrating the exposition you need for the audience to instantaneously identify THIS ship belongs to that group and THAT ship belongs to the other group, so you use shape, color and so on to give each group a distinct visual appearance, even if "logically" it would make perfect sense for both sides to be using the same equipment.

I remember listening to some commentary on "the Mummy" once and the director mentioning how, in one scene, they had 3 different groups and they had a difficult time figuring out how to convey to the audience that the group sitting silently on a hill watching the battle were not part of the same group that was in the battle because they were both on horseback and wearing black robes. Same thing.

I get that, which is why I don't expect to see Imperial frigates and CR90s in rebels. But if you were to look at some of the ships, just being wedge shaped isn't enough. It's the military grey, the lighting - all that stuff.

Firstly back at time the source material had many different star destroyer types.

Yeah, but they were all still, you know, Star Destroyers. What the Empire was lacking at the time, was smaller ships. Corvettes, frigates, light cruisers, etc.

Since then, the lore has been filled in with SD-style ships in all those different size categories.

My point being, if X-Wing were being made today, you'd be flying against Raiders and Arquitens instead of Imperial Corvettes and Imperial Nebulons.

Firstly back at time the source material had many different star destroyer types.

Yeah, but they were all still, you know, Star Destroyers. What the Empire was lacking at the time, was smaller ships. Corvettes, frigates, light cruisers, etc.

Since then, the lore has been filled in with SD-style ships in all those different size categories.

Firstly back at time the source material had many different star destroyer types.

Yeah, but they were all still, you know, Star Destroyers. What the Empire was lacking at the time, was smaller ships. Corvettes, frigates, light cruisers, etc.

Since then, the lore has been filled in with SD-style ships in all those different size categories.

Lucasarts could have easily done this, they chose not to. That led to us having some real gems from the 90s-2000s.

DX9s, XG-1s, the Escort shuttle, the scout ship, the BFF-1 freighter.. the XQ Platforms (now canon - thanks rebels!)

Lucasarts could have easily done this, they chose not to. That led to us having some real gems from the 90s-2000s.

DX9s, XG-1s, the Escort shuttle, the scout ship, the BFF-1 freighter.. the XQ Platforms (now canon - thanks rebels!)

I disagree that that's the same thing, at least, with the DX9, BFF-1 and XQ.

They HAD to create those ships, because ships of those types didn't even exist in Star Wars at the time. There were no Imperial troop transports. No large bulk freighters.

With the Corvette and the Frigate, they didn't NEED to create something new. They needed ships of that size, but the lore already made it clear that Rebel stuff was mostly old Empire stuff. So the lore already gave them an excuse to just use those ships again.

And the XG-1 and Escort Shuttle are pretty much Lucasarts DID choose to do this. They needed a ship to fill a role, so they took an already existing iconic Imperial ship(the Lambda-shuttle), and tweaked the size/design slightly.

True, the lore already existed. It wasn't an excuse though, it was defined. The X-wing series was modeled on the books afterall, and there was a big deal about an impossible mission regarding a frigate minijumping in system (that appeared in the first TOD).

With the BFF-1 I'm fairly certain the biggest decider was polycount. The DX9 too - kinda.

Like I said. triangles are easy to work with - look at the first Elite game, they could have made entire fleets of dagger/triangle corvettes, frigates, destroyers, dreadnoughts and pizza delivery ships.

They deliberately chose not to, because slightly odd looking ships was Star War's schtick.

It would have been easier for them to work with your wedge-fleet. Than go in universe. That's something that should really be appreciated.

Now, modern times, would the Acclamator , Venator and ARGH KITTENS! be used more... probably, but it's a different star wars than back then. Does that negate the Quasar fire's being imperial looking/rebel looking? No. The lighting, painting etc is way off. The lack of a top command bridge etc. The fact it's wedge shaped just isn't enough to label it Imperial to me.

The lighting, painting etc is way off.

I don't think that's really relevant, because those are easily changed.

The difference between a Republic Arquitens and an Imperial Arquitens is basically just the paint job.

Likewise, BECAUSE of the Quasar Fire's wedge shape, all it would take is an Imperial paint job and it would work perfectly as an Imperial ship.

The lighting, painting etc is way off.

I don't think that's really relevant, because those are easily changed.

The difference between a Republic Arquitens and an Imperial Arquitens is basically just the paint job.

Likewise, BECAUSE of the Quasar Fire's wedge shape, all it would take is an Imperial paint job and it would work perfectly as an Imperial ship.

It'd need to square off the front command dome, and then move it to the substructure at the very least.

I'd argue it'd need to make the bays more armoured looking.

Ton Falk just is a huge box full of TIEs. It's designed to be a huge box full of TIEs.

Which is a thing I desperately want. I just want it to fit in aesthetically with the rest of the Imperial fleet.

Which was why I was really excited when I saw that image.

"Oh ****, look at that! It's a bunch of fighter garages with the thinnest pretense of a star destroyer stuck to the top! It's beautiful! Look at those TIEs flying to it! Oh...and the Ghost. Wait...there's the Rebel corvette and transports flying in formation with it. Wait...is this a Rebel ship?!" And then came the wiki article showing that it was an old EU ship that was, in fact, Rebel.

A rollercoaster ride of emotions!

I just wish the writers of Rebels had taken the opportunity to swap. Give the Quesar Fire to the Empire, and the Ton Falk to the Rebels.

You do know that if they did that, there'd be a MASSIVE s***storm, right? Like... Just imagine.

"Oh my god they didn't just erase the canon they completely changed it!"

I mean that's what this thread would be full of right now instead.

Eh, not when you consider that the rebels tend to steal Imperial ships.

Seeing an imperial Quasar fire wouldn't daunt me that much, just meant the other was stolen.

Rebel built Ton Falk would be a bit irritating though.

Imperials are stealing rebel ships now? But that's just CRAAAAAAAZY!

Imperials are stealing rebel ships now? But that's just CRAAAAAAAZY!

But good guys don't STEAL!

With all this star destroyer talk, I would like to throw my hat in and note that the Venator class is the coolest star destroyer.

Can someone tell me the appeal of this show? Not a big fan of how it looks but I can live with it, at least everyone doesn't look stupid like in the Clone Wars cartoon.

It just seems too kiddy for me. A few minutes long dual between a prequel AT-AT and an Empire AT-AT ending with a Stormtrooper running away flailing his arms about isn't Star Wars, seems like typical non-Adventure Time/Regular Show modern Cartoon Network **** to me. Just because it has Star Wars on it doesn't make it good.

I just wish the TIE Fighter anime was more than just a 1 off short. It couldn't possibly fail.

And why is Darth Maul still alive? Didn't he get cut in half and blatantly fall to his death? AHEM, what prequels and who the **** is this devil guy?

Imperials are stealing rebel ships now? But that's just CRAAAAAAAZY!

But good guys don't STEAL!

Steal no Literate Yes. After all the first rule of guerilla Warfare is I shall not want because the enemy is my quartermaster.

Can someone tell me the appeal of this show? Not a big fan of how it looks but I can live with it, at least everyone doesn't look stupid like in the Clone Wars cartoon.

It just seems too kiddy for me. A few minutes long dual between a prequel AT-AT and an Empire AT-AT ending with a Stormtrooper running away flailing his arms about isn't Star Wars, seems like typical non-Adventure Time/Regular Show modern Cartoon Network **** to me. Just because it has Star Wars on it doesn't make it good.

I just wish the TIE Fighter anime was more than just a 1 off short. It couldn't possibly fail.

And why is Darth Maul still alive? Didn't he get cut in half and blatantly fall to his death? AHEM, what prequels and who the **** is this devil guy?

Maul was established as having survived his wound long ago.

I think you need to rewatch the source material if Rebels bothers you.

side note: adventure time has not even been remotely decent since season 2

Disney already did a show on the Swamp Fox.

You do know that if they did that, there'd be a MASSIVE s***storm, right? Like... Just imagine.

"Oh my god they didn't just erase the canon they completely changed it!"

I mean that's what this thread would be full of right now instead.

Yeah, but *I'd* be happy. And that's what really matters.

It kills me, but I completely agree. I used to love that show so much. It used to be fun and funny all the time. But it just isn't anymore, like, ever.

It's just surreal and weird for the sake of being weird all the time now. Like every episode is someone's college art project or something. It's way too up it's own meta-narrative's butt, which hasn't been interesting in ages.

The recent Marceline arc was the first time it's been good in a long time.

Can someone tell me the appeal of this show? Not a big fan of how it looks but I can live with it, at least everyone doesn't look stupid like in the Clone Wars cartoon.

It just seems too kiddy for me. A few minutes long dual between a prequel AT-AT and an Empire AT-AT ending with a Stormtrooper running away flailing his arms about isn't Star Wars, seems like typical non-Adventure Time/Regular Show modern Cartoon Network **** to me. Just because it has Star Wars on it doesn't make it good.

I just wish the TIE Fighter anime was more than just a 1 off short. It couldn't possibly fail.

And why is Darth Maul still alive? Didn't he get cut in half and blatantly fall to his death? AHEM, what prequels and who the **** is this devil guy?

Maul was established as having survived his wound long ago.

I think you need to rewatch the source material if Rebels bothers you.

Or stop being garbage in general

side note: adventure time has not even been remotely decent since season 2

See that's what gets me. Rebels is hardly different from the original films in most respects. I don't know what people think the source material really is, but... I dunno man. It's pretty campy and it's fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of cheese.

God it is just BRIMMING with cheese... and I love it.

You do know that if they did that, there'd be a MASSIVE s***storm, right? Like... Just imagine.

"Oh my god they didn't just erase the canon they completely changed it!"

I mean that's what this thread would be full of right now instead.

Yeah, but *I'd* be happy. And that's what really matters.

:/

Can someone tell me the appeal of this show? Not a big fan of how it looks but I can live with it, at least everyone doesn't look stupid like in the Clone Wars cartoon.

It just seems too kiddy for me. A few minutes long dual between a prequel AT-AT and an Empire AT-AT ending with a Stormtrooper running away flailing his arms about isn't Star Wars, seems like typical non-Adventure Time/Regular Show modern Cartoon Network **** to me. Just because it has Star Wars on it doesn't make it good.

I just wish the TIE Fighter anime was more than just a 1 off short. It couldn't possibly fail.

And why is Darth Maul still alive? Didn't he get cut in half and blatantly fall to his death? AHEM, what prequels and who the **** is this devil guy?

Maul survived. Lucas realized he made a terrible mistake by killing him. Apparently it panned out pretty well- I haven't watched all of The Clone Wars. If you have the "what prequels?" attitude about it then I ain't sure what to tell ya man.

I mean... Sure the stormtrooper running away was silly but- what, you can't laugh..? C'mon man, lighten up. If you can stand those wretched, god forsaken, awful excuses for interesting aliens referred to as Ewoks then good lord you can stand a frantic Stormtrooper, I'd hope.

Seriously dude, screw Ewoks- literally worse than Jar-Jar, entirely because Jar-Jar's entire race isn't a bunch of cutesy hooligans. Ewoks are. They are also vicious. And worship C-3PO.

As for the show's appearance, pause any shot of it and compare it to Ralph McQuarrie's art.

It's **** near identical. That's one of the show's greatest appeals- to me, anyway. It's an amazing homage to an incredible, inventive artist who defined what Star Wars looked like from day one.

Maul survived. Lucas realized he made a terrible mistake by killing him. Apparently it panned out pretty well- I haven't watched all of The Clone Wars.

It's starts out terrible and gets progressively better.

He has, like, 4 separate appearances, and in each one, he's a much better character.

I mean, it's great that he designed all that stuff, but there is presumably a reason why the stuff they actually put in the movies is subtly different than what he actually drew. And I personally PREFER the way the movies decided to go instead.

So when stuff shows up in the show and it just has these weird proportions, I don't consider that a point in the show's favor.

The show starts back up tomorrow right? The 20th? Really excited. Not that they can put enough in an episode to satisfy the craving but they get close.

I think we've all gotten sidetracked from the most important thing.

New TIE.

Can someone tell me the appeal of this show? Not a big fan of how it looks but I can live with it, at least everyone doesn't look stupid like in the Clone Wars cartoon.

It just seems too kiddy for me. A few minutes long dual between a prequel AT-AT and an Empire AT-AT ending with a Stormtrooper running away flailing his arms about isn't Star Wars, seems like typical non-Adventure Time/Regular Show modern Cartoon Network **** to me. Just because it has Star Wars on it doesn't make it good.

I just wish the TIE Fighter anime was more than just a 1 off short. It couldn't possibly fail.

And why is Darth Maul still alive? Didn't he get cut in half and blatantly fall to his death? AHEM, what prequels and who the **** is this devil guy?

I wasn't a fan for most of the first season (felt it was a little too juvenile, prone to reliance on tropes, too much plot contrivance) but it really picked up towards the end of season 1 and the season 2 opener was truly awesome (parts were genuinely exciting) and I think this season has gone from strength the strength. The trailer for the latter half looks fantastic but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen all good content stuck into a trailer and reserve the right to a revise my opinion.

Sure, there are parts I would change if I were in charge but I would also have excluded Jar Jar stepping in doo-doo and the entirely of the Ewok's existence so even those parts don't irk me too badly as there have been equal or worse moments in Star Wars and the good stuff has been exceptional and (almost) on a par with a lot of stuff from the movies. I thought the whole "Vader-in-TIE-Advanced rules the skies" scene from the start of season 2 was edge-of-the-seat stuff. As a 22 minute time investment per week, it's actually pretty awesome. It's got enough Star Wars flavor to make the good parts great and is short enough that I don't feel like I ever wasted time watching an episode. As someone that gets on planes a lot for work, a few episodes of Rebels makes a flight from here to anywhere more enjoyable. That all said, I'm a fan of all the Star Wars movies because I love the setting, the ethos and the stories. I wouldn't rank the Prequels as "great cinema" but I would consider Star Wars a glorious cultural phenomenon and, like with bands or authors I like, I can love some works more than others but I'm a fan overall and will consume all output possible.

And Maul was brought back in TCW (with robotic legs). I don't recall exactly but I think the implication was that he got sucked down some kind of ventilation shaft like Luke did after his suicide attempt on Bespin and survived via the force, anger, and some handy-dandy cybernetic implants. His brother was also in the show and there was some great themes, scenes, and episodes with the two of them. I'm hoping that's not him as one of my issues with Rebels is that there are a lot of force users and Jedi in a show set (less than) 5 years before ANH, where part of the appeal and charm was that it was all myth and legend. I'm glad Ashoka is back as I like the character but I would have been equally - if not more - happy with the show had they focused on the crew of the Ghost without the need to even introduce force sensitive characters at all. Beyond a few "trust your feelings" bits, ANH was largely about people fighting a war that felt as grounded as anything "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" will ever feel, and I think having Kanan as "just" a space-cowboy would have been awesome (although understand the comparisons to Firefly).

As always, YMMV and if you don't dig the show with what you've already seen and aren't willing to put any more time into it, nothing here will convince you but if you get a chance to see the opener for Season 2 and don't enjoy it, it might just not be for you.

And lastly, for what it's worth, I avoided TCW for years because a) I got the 2008 show mixed up with the 2003 (which I hated) and b) the first few times i tried to watch it I got hung up on the look and animation. Once I learned to enjoy it for what it was worth, I really dug it. I keep thinking I need to go back and rewatch it again to see what I missed and just skip over the episodes I didn't like (any Droid episodes, for example).

Maul survived. Lucas realized he made a terrible mistake by killing him. Apparently it panned out pretty well- I haven't watched all of The Clone Wars.

It's starts out terrible and gets progressively better.

He has, like, 4 separate appearances, and in each one, he's a much better character.

He starts out as just, like, a gibbering lunatic attached to a metal crab. Becomes a growling monster with giant Grievous legs in his next appearance. Then eventually, he gets regular looking cybernetic legs, and gets his **** together and becomes a much more methodical, calculating character, and actually manages to accomplish some things besides just ranting about Obi-wan.

And, in those appearances, he gets into 2 of the better lightsaber fights of the series:

Didn't realize there was a 2003 Clone Wars Cartoon and a 2008 one. The 2003 one is the one I've seen bits of and I hate how every character looks.

When I get a chance I'll try and look into the first episode of season 2 of Rebels.

The thing about Ewoks is that Ewoks aren't main characters. They may be funny looking but they don't ruin the ******* movie. In a Galaxy full of thousands of sentient beings, I think it's fine that every once and a while there a silly one is allowed to exist. None of the Ewoks follow Leia around and step in poop and do CGI front flips or lick the ******* arc light between the engines of a pod racer. I think one of them steals a speeder bike and immediately crashes it but that's it.

They're just teddy bears that happen to live on a moon that generates a shield for a Death Star. That doesn't seem out of line for a Star Wars movie. And they think C-3PO is god. Well, C-3PO is God and Anthony Daniels is his prophet.

If instead of being Ewoks they were instead the type of alien that Ponda Baba is or Wookies, would that be fine?