The everything wedge shaped reasoning falls apart the second that Ton-falks, Lancer Frigates, Gozanti's, Carracks, Nebulon B's and B2s etc come about though. Not every Imperial Warship is wedge shaped.
Except the part where all the things you just listed are lame(except the Gozanti's which ARE wedge shaped).
Yes, not every Imperial warship is wedge shaped. Just every well designed Imperial warship.
From Survivor's Quest - when Luke & Mara are looking at a spherical ship:
"Doesn't look like a warship," Mara commented from beside him. "They usually have at least one low-silhouette, high firepower plane available to present to an approaching enemy. That thing's going to be a perfect target no matter what direction it comes at you from."
"You forget the Death Star," Luke reminded her. "It was shaped more or less like that."
"And its design stunk, too," Mara retorted. "It just happened to be big enough and mean enough to get away with it."
"Mostly," Luke couldn't resist saying.
That's not a warship anyway, that's a planetary mining ship!
Poor Romulans, first their ship is too Federation looking, then they start using Klingon ships, then the newly designed bird of prey is given to the Klingons in ST 3 because someone thought they would be better bad guys. Then finally the Romulans get their own cool looking ships in TNG. (you know, with that new larger budget and all)
After all that they get kicked in the balls twice with ST 10 (Nemesis) and 11 Star Trek the Star Trek by JJ) with Picard Jr. Taking over their empire and their home world blowing up because Spock wasn't fast enough on his space unicycle.
And that is enough of ST on this forum, hopefully for a while.
In all seriousness though, the new canon does seem to be keeping more tightly to the Empire's wedge design + hard lines motif than the somewhat aesthetically jarring designs the old EU came up with. Even the Gozanti isn't rocking the boat that much, and the new EU is using Arquitens and Venators when it needs variety, which are also aethestically Star Destroyers.
As for the rebels, Old Republic motifs: they seem to (given we haven't hit Mon Cals and organic looking ships) go with designs in the vein of the CR90: less aggressive and slightly wackier shapes with more curvature but not Mon Cal organic. They've had the CR90, the Pelta (which is basically CR90 on steroids) and more recently something that looks a lot like an old Republic vertical hammerhead ship.
Yeah. It's neat, and it's really really cool to see some true variety in Rebel starships. It's much needed, since for the longest time all they really had from the films was the CR-90, GR-75, and Nebulon-B.
That's not a warship anyway, that's a planetary mining ship!
No, it's a mall.
That's a subjective argument.
Well obviously. What isn't?
I was always a fan of Mon Calamari ships have a very distinctive look to them and I feel like Sorosuub would too after seeing their two Canon creations.(The Yt-1300 yacht and V-35 Courier) With a whole galaxy of strange cultures I think the possibility of cool designs are endless, thought hopefully they keep on track with the respective look of Star Wars and don't go the way of the K-wing or Hapes ships. (I always hated those)
That's not a warship anyway, that's a planetary mining ship!
No, it's a mall.
No, it's obviously a space laser tag destination..!
In all seriousness though, the new canon does seem to be keeping more tightly to the Empire's wedge design + hard lines motif than the somewhat aesthetically jarring designs the old EU came up with. Even the Gozanti isn't rocking the boat that much, and the new EU is using Arquitens and Venators when it needs variety, which are also aethestically Star Destroyers.
As for the rebels, Old Republic motifs: they seem to (given we haven't hit Mon Cals and organic looking ships) go with designs in the vein of the CR90: less aggressive and slightly wackier shapes with more curvature but not Mon Cal organic. They've had the CR90, the Pelta (which is basically CR90 on steroids) and more recently something that looks a lot like an old Republic vertical hammerhead ship.
With all the CR90 variants, I hope they bring back the FarStar. It would fit in perfectly with the Rebel Fleet. I would love to see some Venators and Acclamators show up on Rebels, a Victory class would be icing on the cake.
In all seriousness though, the new canon does seem to be keeping more tightly to the Empire's wedge design + hard lines motif than the somewhat aesthetically jarring designs the old EU came up with. Even the Gozanti isn't rocking the boat that much, and the new EU is using Arquitens and Venators when it needs variety, which are also aethestically Star Destroyers.
As for the rebels, Old Republic motifs: they seem to (given we haven't hit Mon Cals and organic looking ships) go with designs in the vein of the CR90: less aggressive and slightly wackier shapes with more curvature but not Mon Cal organic. They've had the CR90, the Pelta (which is basically CR90 on steroids) and more recently something that looks a lot like an old Republic vertical hammerhead ship.
With all the CR90 variants, I hope they bring back the FarStar. It would fit in perfectly with the Rebel Fleet. I would love to see some Venators and Acclamators show up on Rebels, a Victory class would be icing on the cake.
The thing is, the FarStar could actually HOLD A-Wings. So I'm 100% all for this.
That's a subjective argument.
Well obviously. What isn't?
Anything with a factual basis. Such as "The Quasar Fire class bulk cruiser was used by the Rebel Alliance" and "In Oldcanon, and even noted in newer sources such as Armada, the Nebulon B frigate was an Imperial vessel often appropriated and used by the Rebel Alliance".
Anything with a factual basis. Such as "The Quasar Fire class bulk cruiser was used by the Rebel Alliance" and "In Oldcanon, and even noted in newer sources such as Armada, the Nebulon B frigate was an Imperial vessel often appropriated and used by the Rebel Alliance".
I suppose. But I also never argued that those things weren't true.
My argument was that it wasn't, you know...good.
The goodness of the WEG sources can be argued for pretty much ever. I did point out that there were two solid camps behind this. The older generation who loved the fact that SW even got an EU, and the newer one that likes the aesthetics to all match.
I just don't see why Everything Imperial has to be wedge shape and TIE's, and everything rebel has to be organic/phallic.
To me there's nothing that screams Empire more than Maarek Stele flying a GUNBOAT out of a Dreadnaught.
I'd agree with that. But that's from the WEG and TIE Fighter era.
Modern, younger members would be all WTF...
To those of us who played X-wing, that frigate was our first optional boss fight.
You know, TOD1 mission 1. kill the freighters etc, then a frigate shows up and you are told to go home. but you stay, kill all the ties, then kill the frigate.
And in mission 2 you are only supposed to recon... not murder the entire Imperial taskforce.
Edited by DariusAPBI just don't see why Everything Imperial has to be wedge shape and TIE's, and everything rebel has to be organic/phallic.
Well, mainly because everything Imperial is made for a single military force, and is created by, like, the same two manufacturers.
Rebels and Scum make more sense to be more varied because they fly whatever they can get their hands on. There's no unified design aesthetic. No common manufacturer.
To those of us who played X-wing, that frigate was our first optional boss fight.
You know, TOD1 mission 1. kill the freighters etc, then a frigate shows up and you are told to go home. but you stay, kill all the ties, then kill the frigate.
And in mission 2 you are only supposed to recon... not murder the entire Imperial taskforce.
The first time I ever did that was actually in Wing Commander. Where you're supposed to scout out an enemy fleet and run away and I just destroyed the entire fleet instead.
The Flight Officer yelled at me afterwards...
On the surface that's fine. Until you remember the background of stardestroyers being anti capital ship - able to bare maximum firepower on a target (hence the wedge).
Lancers, anti fighter support, needs a shape that fires everywhere (ISD's weak from the rear) So, cylindrical, quad guns everywhere.
Ton Falk just is a huge box full of TIEs. It's designed to be a huge box full of TIEs.
Admittedly this falls apart at the more absurd designs (Nebulon B frigate is an example of an absurd design) But for a lot makes sense.
Besides, a fleet made entirely of triangles gets boring, at least the gozer has character.
Ton Falk just is a huge box full of TIEs. It's designed to be a huge box full of TIEs.
Which is a thing I desperately want. I just want it to fit in aesthetically with the rest of the Imperial fleet.
Which was why I was really excited when I saw that image.
"Oh ****, look at that! It's a bunch of fighter garages with the thinnest pretense of a star destroyer stuck to the top! It's beautiful! Look at those TIEs flying to it! Oh...and the Ghost. Wait...there's the Rebel corvette and transports flying in formation with it. Wait...is this a Rebel ship?!" And then came the wiki article showing that it was an old EU ship that was, in fact, Rebel.
A rollercoaster ride of emotions!
I just wish the writers of Rebels had taken the opportunity to swap. Give the Quesar Fire to the Empire, and the Ton Falk to the Rebels.
Edited by DarthEnderXI suppose I can't argue with that reaction, and the appreciation of aesthetics. Just... well I guess I am too familiar with Imperial escort carriers looking like boxes.
Too familiar with dealing with Imperial frigates too.
Too familiar with Imperial strike cruisers, Dreadnaught class medium cruisers, and lancer frigates. In an old online RPG I captained a lancer frigate for the Empire.... 17 years ago now.
Edited by DariusAPBI don't care if it's Imp or Reb, it was ugly 20 years ago and it's ugly today
Actually Rebels gave it a make over, it's a lot prettier than I remember it.
Wait. Are you saying it's ugly ugly, or Star Wars ugly?
Normal, or dark bar after a few beers?
I suppose I can't argue with that reaction, and the appreciation of aesthetics. Just... well I guess I am too familiar with Imperial escort carriers looking like boxes.
Too familiar with dealing with Imperial frigates too.
Too familiar with Imperial strike cruisers, Dreadnaught class medium cruisers, and lancer frigates. In an old online RPG I captained a lancer frigate for the Empire.... 17 years ago now.
I get that, but keep in mind that, while it was realistic at the time, rememember that other Imperial options didn't even EXIST when those games were made.
Ship classes like the Raider, the Arquitens, the Acclamator, hadn't been created yet.
Instead, they were adapting what was available from the movies and novels at the time. Which at the time meant a lot of Imperial forces using the same outdated ships that the Rebels were using.
I fully believe if those games were being made today instead of back then, that the Empire would be using all of these other SD shaped ships instead.
I don't care if it's Imp or Reb, it was ugly 20 years ago and it's ugly today
Yeah, but carriers are always ugly. Its hard to make a ship with a half a dozen garages on it look cool.
Not sure I can buy that dude for three big reasons:
Firstly back at time the source material had many different star destroyer types.
Secondly said star destroyers were super low poly - when conserving polygons in a game actually mattered.
Thirdly: Lucasarts was NOT afraid to make new ships up on the fly. Not a stretch for them to make 15 variable triangles of variable sizes for different things.