I wouldn't really count the Gozanti and TIEs as part of the fleet that the Phoenix cell has. Star Wars, in defiance of all logic concerning insurgencies, seems to ignore the idea that a rebellion would primarily use material stolen from the group its rebelling against and instead insists that the two sides be visually distinct. So even though it makes total sense that the rebellion would be lousy with TIEs and Gozantis and stormtrooper armor for their soldiers and primarily use stolen tech, instead you get each side using radically different equipment (except for the occasional, one-off infiltration story. Which means that there was never any chance that the phoenix cell would actually USE their stolen ships on any sort of regular basis.

Well, I think they don't use that stuff because it draws extra attention.

Flying civilian vessels, you can try to fake actually being civilians.

If you're flying around in stolen Imperial vessels without current clearance codes, it's a hell of a lot harder to try and explain that you aren't rebels.

Also, after what they did with the stolen TIE, I'm confident that the writers are holding on to that stuff. Ezra has already been shown to collect military hardware, so the notion that they might be building up a collection of garishly painted TIEs, and a ship to carry them, amuses me.

Alright.Let's talk about the Quasar fire.

It's a Rebel ship.
It's always been a rebel ship.

It's a Rebel Escort carrier. There are multiple sources for this, including videogames such as Star Wars Supremacy/Rebellion - which is now 20 years old (or near enough).

Contrasting, the IMPERIAL Ton Falk class escort carrier does not look imperial. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ton-Falk-class_escort_carrier

Now, if we want. We could talk about the Rebel Frigate, you know, the Imperial EF76 Nebulon-B class escort frigate. That one.

There are two camps here, the "It's a Rebel Frigate" camp, and the "It's a civil war, and WEG actually made a lot of sense when doing this, so it's really an imperial ship" camp.

All who know me know I fall into the latter, largely due to my age - WEG lore + The X-wing series of games guys.

My final line for this is this: Let's be excited that Disney threw us a bone, the Quasar fire is a beloved craft, and rather than pettily argue that it shouldn't be Rebel (Which, sorry is a retarded bloody argument). Let's just be excited that it's in Rebels, and who knows maybe armada at some point. Or X-wing. Get to it Mel :-)

Further notes: Ton Falk class carriers were used by the Rebels

CR90 Corvettes were used by the Imperial navy, as were the CR92 Assassin class corvettes.

DP20s however seemed to be only Rebel and pirate used.

The fact is, Pirates and rebels didn't have the production capabilities of the Empire, of course they didn't the clues are in the names people. So alternate means of appropriating vessels were necessary. This is not just oldcanon, this is flat out common sense. It's not been thoroughly decanonized either, the galaxy is a huge **** place and the Empire has older ships around.

Just because Kallus' force has a large amount of ARGH KITTENS! and Gozers doesn't mean that's ubiquitous to the greater empire. Ton Falk, EF76s and CR90 Corvettes could well still make up a large portion of Imperial convoy protection. You just don't see them, and in Rebels you won't see them because aesthetics and visuals would likely confuse kids, and adults who don't have a doctorate in Star Wars.

Back to the quasar fire. This was not a ship constructed for the Rebels, this too is a ship appropriated for Rebel use - just not constructed for the Imperial Navy. It's realistically probable that The Rebel Alliance has some misappropriated ARGH KITTENS! Or Ex Old republic ARGH KITTENS!

The Rebels had only certain ships that were really theirs, produced specifically for them.

X-wings, B-wings, A-wings, Assault frigates (converted from old Dreadnaught class...) a Modified Strike Cruiser and Mon Cals.

Y-wings were available to more or less everyone, though in oldcanon there was evidence that Koensayr did manufacture specifically to the Rebels - pirates had these, and being old Repiblic - the Empire had some too. This was also seen in oldcanon where a sector overlord, Ghorin's forces contained Y-wings.

I know I'm a bit late to this party, and I do apologize for seemingly writing a dissertion on the subject, but well... these are my feelings on the matter, take them as you will.

Why are so many eyes covered in this cartoon? Is it very expensive to animate eyes?

Anonymity/facelessness

Why is that desirable?

I think the point he is making is that the empire is meant to be this huge, monolithic, oppressive force that crushes freedom and individuality (just like in the movies) and so the vast majority of its servants are meant to be faceless carbon copies, with only the notable villains as individuals.

For the heroes, I've actually noticed that the show puts forth an effort to distinguish them, even when it shouldn't. Not in the new trailer, Kanan removes his helmet when Leia shows up, even though it makes no sense for him to do so in that circumstance.

It's polite to remove your hat (helmet) in front of company. That can be the only reason I can think of he did it. Maybe it's just an English thing.

It's polite to remove your hat (helmet) in front of company. That can be the only reason I can think of he did it. Maybe it's just an English thing.

*Boba Fett tips his Mandalorian Helmet*

"M'lady!"

*sarcasm*

this show so terrible, slowly killing the original trilogy worse than the special editions, Ghost is millenium Falcon ripoff, blah blah blah blah...

*/end sarcasm*

Seriously Lackwit, if you think people are being to whiney about the show, then turn off your notifications or something. People are going to say what they want, even things you don't agree with. deal with it. I would hate for this thread to become breakfast themed....

Why are so many eyes covered in this cartoon? Is it very expensive to animate eyes?

Anonymity/facelessness

Why is that desirable?

Was your post a rhetorical complaint or are you really wondering if it is expensive or desirable?

Why are so many eyes covered in this cartoon? Is it very expensive to animate eyes?

Anonymity/facelessness

Why is that desirable?

It's just the style of animation. I'm not sure about it being desirable.... not sure what the Hell you really mean.

Was your post a rhetorical complaint or are you really wondering if it is expensive or desirable?

Nah, it is pretty much a cost saving measure. Individual models cost more to make.

.... not sure what the Hell you really mean.

I don't understand this attitude at all. There was nothing in my posts to suggest I tried some rhetorical trick against SW Rebels, a cartoon I really like even if I'm too old for it.

is this a Rom?

That looks nothing like a Space Knight!

oh...okay....i was think move of a rom bird of prey....from tos

is this a Rom?

That looks nothing like a Space Knight!

oh...okay....i was think move of a rom bird of prey....from tos

.... not sure what the Hell you really mean.

I don't understand this attitude at all. There was nothing in my posts to suggest I tried some rhetorical trick against SW Rebels, a cartoon I really like even if I'm too old for it.

I was being straight foward. I did not understand what you meant. Go back and reread yout posts, you are asking questions that sound rhetorical. I never thought you were trying to trick anyone.

I thought maybe you really think that animating eyeballs was expensive.

no one is too old for ANY star wars, btw.

how did you get attitude from my post?

is this a Rom?

That looks nothing like a Space Knight!

oh...okay....i was think move of a rom bird of prey....from tos

Yeah I got that. I was going for a far more obscure reference that maybe 2 people would get. Kind of an unofficial poll of the uber nerds on this forum. And to distract from some of the insanity, with different type of insanity.

The point I thought was obvious, making light that while the Romulan Bird of prey shared design features with Federation ships doesn't make it a Fed craft.

Just like Quasar fire being wedged shaped and vaguely monochrome doesn't make it Imperial.

how did you get attitude from my post?

Asking "what the Hell" I mean is not straightforward, friendly or polite, and in this case, not even slightly called for. I am really at a loss what to do with such a response, to my knowledge I did not approach you in any negative way. I honestly don't see what brought that on at all.

I'm so sorry for hurting your feelings.

The point I thought was obvious, making light that while the Romulan Bird of prey shared design features with Federation ships doesn't make it a Fed craft.

Just like Quasar fire being wedged shaped and vaguely monochrome doesn't make it Imperial.

I never said it was. I'm saying it SHOULD have been. And the person who designed a rebel carrier to look like a star destroyer didn't know anything about design aesthetics.

It was a mistake to do it, and since the Quasar Fire had been made non-canon, and the Rebels team had an opportunity to fix that mistake, or at least, just not remake it. But no.

Likewise, there's a reason why Romulan ships eventually STOPPED looking like Federation ships. Because the people making TNG gave more of a **** than the people that made TOS.

But why should it have been? See my dissertion previously. It's by no means a mini stardestroyer. The Empire as humanocentric as it is, is by no means a single race. It's ships don't need to be dramatically different from any other human ships in the star wars universe. The Empire is utilitarian, military grey sure. But shapes... not everything has to be a TIE or wedge shaped.

The only REALLY alien ships we see in the movies are the Mon Cals. You clearly see them crewed by multiple Mon Cals.

Mon Cals all have different shapes, there are several different variants of MC80.

There are different Star Destroyers, some such as the Gladiator are not even wedge shaped!

is this a Rom?

That looks nothing like a Space Knight!

oh...okay....i was think move of a rom bird of prey....from tos

Yeah I got that. I was going for a far more obscure reference that maybe 2 people would get. Kind of an unofficial poll of the uber nerds on this forum. And to distract from some of the insanity, with different type of insanity.

But why should it have been?

For the same reason the Imperial, Victory, Interdictor, Executor, Raider, Arquitens, Vigil, Acclamator, Imperial Gozanti, Secutor, Praetor, Eclipse, etc. art.

That reason should be self-explanatory.

The Gladiator is still pretty wedge shaped. Someone just cut the nose off.

The point I thought was obvious, making light that while the Romulan Bird of prey shared design features with Federation ships doesn't make it a Fed craft.

Just like Quasar fire being wedged shaped and vaguely monochrome doesn't make it Imperial.

I never said it was. I'm saying it SHOULD have been. And the person who designed a rebel carrier to look like a star destroyer didn't know anything about design aesthetics.

Likewise, there's a reason why Romulan ships eventually STOPPED looking like Federation ships. Because the people making TNG gave more of a **** than the people that made TOS.

Let's clarify this, the Quaser-class so called Rebel carrier started it's life as a simple bulk freighter chugging it's cargo between systems of the Empire. Being wedge-shaped, while astheticly pleasing for imperials, was intended as a functionality used in transferring cargo. So I would say the author knew exactly what he intended when he wrote the description on the design ethics of a freighter some 20 plus years ago.

As to that ----- comment comparing designs of two different shows some 25 years apart. You really need to look at what a sci-fi show cost to produce in the 60's as opposed to the late 80's and early 90's. Shoestrings would be considered a luxury.

What production designers had to put out each week with just pieces of cardboard, assorted tubing and spare bits of spare model kits were far superior to the imagination in comparison to someone manipulating some graphics for a CGI.

Apologies if I came off too strong, but one should not be making judgements of people who wrote and designed sci-fi material, probably years before you could have appreciated, which fueled our dreams and imaginations of the future.

I'm not saying there aren't perfectly logical, realistic reasons why it should look like that. I'm saying there are artistic reasons why it shouldn't look like that. And given that the Star Wars setting gives almost zero ****s about realism, art should trump realism.

But why should it have been?

For the same reason the Imperial, Victory, Interdictor, Executor, Raider, Arquitens, Vigil, Acclamator, Imperial Gozanti, Secutor, Praetor, Eclipse, etc. art.

That reason should be self-explanatory.

There are different Star Destroyers, some such as the Gladiator are not even wedge shaped!

The Gladiator is still pretty wedge shaped. Someone just cut the nose off.

The everything wedge shaped reasoning falls apart the second that Ton-falks, Lancer Frigates, Gozanti's, Carracks, Nebulon B's and B2s etc come about though. Not every Imperial Warship is wedge shaped.

The everything wedge shaped reasoning falls apart the second that Ton-falks, Lancer Frigates, Gozanti's, Carracks, Nebulon B's and B2s etc come about though. Not every Imperial Warship is wedge shaped.

Except the part where all the things you just listed are lame(except the Gozanti's which ARE wedge shaped).

Yes, not every Imperial warship is wedge shaped. Just every well designed Imperial warship.

That's a subjective argument. It's like TIE's, you can only have so many TIE Derivatives before they get lame. The B and B2 are great, The lancer practical. Gozers are... not that wedge shaped. Just the wings are triangled off.

Not every rebel ship is freakily weird shaped.

Man how is this particular fight still going?