Creating flowing air by directly moving the molecules in the air should be one of the easiest manipulations of matter using the force. Already flowing fluids such as air and water should be easy as well, just changing direction. Moving solid objects by overcoming their inertia is probably harder to do, but even noobs like Luke in ESB can do it with concentration. And if noobs can move a lightsabre across the room then they could easily stir up a breeze. And if masters can move starships and huge rocks then they could summon powerful winds and deflect streams of fire or simple clouds of deadly gas.

i.e. Force push is not a giant set of invisible hands. It's changing the relationship between objects, specifically their relative motion.

It is literally magic

A wizard ACTUALLY did it.

You're a wizard Ani!

It is literally magic

A wizard ACTUALLY did it.

SPACE wizard.

^still not as good as the wizard of speed and time.

Let me put the force this way, guys.

You can't apply logic and physics to it. You can apply knowledge of such things, but you cannot practically apply such things. The Force is what you will it to be. You will flames away? That can happen. You will that a sandstorm happen? It can happen. Using the force properly is to understand that there's more than meets the eye- that not all is as it appears or seems, that there's an energy flowing throughout all life that binds it together, that everything is one, despite appearing as separate entities.

That's The Force.

Fiiiiiiiiiine.

Creating flowing air by directly moving the molecules in the air should be one of the easiest manipulations of matter using the force. Already flowing fluids such as air and water should be easy as well, just changing direction. Moving solid objects by overcoming their inertia is probably harder to do, but even noobs like Luke in ESB can do it with concentration. And if noobs can move a lightsabre across the room then they could easily stir up a breeze. And if masters can move starships and huge rocks then they could summon powerful winds and deflect streams of fire or simple clouds of deadly gas.

i.e. Force push is not a giant set of invisible hands. It's changing the relationship between objects, specifically their relative motion.

Moving air molecules is the same thing as moving the molecules in, say, a table or a Stormtrooper. There are just less molecules in air, and spread farther apart, so depending on how the force push works, it'll either be harder to do or a LOT easier.

Anyway, since the floodgates of Rebels ships have been opened by FFG, any takers on some of the new ships we've seen this season coming out in plastic form? Perhaps a title for that B-Wing prototype, or the "totally not a baby Falcon" from the last ep?

The amount of crude matter, matters not.

lifting a rock, an x-wing, a star destroyer. All the same thing, as long as your mind wills it.

The difference between light and dark side is not just how the force is used, but how it's channeled.

I could be at peace with myself, willing a rock to rise, or i could draw in to my inner turmoil and throw the rock.

Moving molecules of air creates wind.

Moving molecules in a solid object creates heat.

Moving an entire solid object creates a mess of it breaks a window. Especially in a spaceship.

We need some stubby TIEs to go with the Gozanti. After all the Empire in Rebels is using Kenner toys, right?

The amount of crude matter, matters not.

lifting a rock, an x-wing, a star destroyer. All the same thing, as long as your mind wills it.

Moving molecules of air creates wind.

Moving molecules in a solid object creates heat.

Moving an entire solid object creates a mess of it breaks a window. Especially in a spaceship.

We need some stubby TIEs to go with the Gozanti. After all the Empire in Rebels is using Kenner toys, right?

Nah, they're using McQuarrie toys.

It's crazy how much modern Star Wars stuff is still harkening back to McQuarrie's early work.

Wow that doesn't look like a T-70... But yeah, I see stubby mcstubbytie.

I've wondered before if that Xwing in the cocept art was a prototype built from Z-95s or just a variant of the t-65. Now I know it's either a T-70 variant or the prototype T-70...T-69 perhaps? (Yeah, baby!)

The action fleet X-wing that came with the smaller model of the x-wing in the concept art is one of my favorite Star Wars toys, er, I mean collectable.

Force push is not a giant set of invisible hands. It's changing the relationship between objects, specifically their relative motion.

Is it just me or is the ability to "Force Push" living things a new thing developed in the Clone Wars CG series and Rebels?

In the films (I - VI), the only things that were "Force Pushed" were "non-living/organic" matter, i.e. crates, pillars, light sabres and droids ... Jedi and Sith did not ever push each other or their (non-droid) opponents.

This also seemed to be the case in the Clone Wars Cel animated series.

Using force push against other force-push-users is asking for something to happen like in the Obi/Ani throw down in ROTS...a deadlock situation. Also force push is such a cheap parlor trick. It can be avoided completely with precognition/danger sense/Jedi reflexes/whatever they want to call it.

Or living things are 'slippery' in the force. I'm sure some hack 'nu canon' writer will make up some similar explanation.

Force push is not a giant set of invisible hands. It's changing the relationship between objects, specifically their relative motion.

Is it just me or is the ability to "Force Push" living things a new thing developed in the Clone Wars CG series and Rebels?

In the films (I - VI), the only things that were "Force Pushed" were "non-living/organic" matter, i.e. crates, pillars, light sabres and droids ... Jedi and Sith did not ever push each other or their (non-droid) opponents.

This also seemed to be the case in the Clone Wars Cel animated series.

It's a logical extension of what we've seen the Force do. The Force binds all things together, living and non-living. The Force can be used to affect living things in various ways (choking them for example). So why wouldn't the Force be able to push living things?

One of the unfortunate aspects of Star Wars outside the movies is when the various abilities of the Force get compartmentalized like attacks in a RPG: Force Choke, Force Push, Force Lightning, etc, making the Force feel like a Pokemon game. The Force is greater than that. Its limitations are only those the user perceives.

Even non-force sensative people can use the force instinctively, and perhaps push back a bit. Certainly that's the case with mental force powers. At any rate Jedi are slinging all sorts of thjngs and people all over these days.

The difference between light and dark side is not just how the force is used, but how it's channeled.

I could be at peace with myself, willing a rock to rise, or i could draw in to my inner turmoil and throw the rock.

You know, the funny part is I'd almost be guaranteed to be a Dark Side user. In all honesty I'm always filled with insecurity, paranoia, fear, and a good amount of reserved anger. All in spite of the fact I tend to make most of my friends laugh and have a good time. S'weird.

Moving molecules of air creates wind.

Moving molecules in a solid object creates heat.

Moving an entire solid object creates a mess of it breaks a window. Especially in a spaceship.

We need some stubby TIEs to go with the Gozanti. After all the Empire in Rebels is using Kenner toys, right?

Nah, they're using McQuarrie toys.

It's crazy how much modern Star Wars stuff is still harkening back to McQuarrie's early work.

And I'm so happy it is.

Force push is not a giant set of invisible hands. It's changing the relationship between objects, specifically their relative motion.

Is it just me or is the ability to "Force Push" living things a new thing developed in the Clone Wars CG series and Rebels?

In the films (I - VI), the only things that were "Force Pushed" were "non-living/organic" matter, i.e. crates, pillars, light sabres and droids ... Jedi and Sith did not ever push each other or their (non-droid) opponents.

This also seemed to be the case in the Clone Wars Cel animated series.

Actually, Maul pushed Kenobi down the shaft in Episode I, Dooku pushed Anakin after cutting off his arm in Episode II, and Yoda pushed Sidious in Episode III. Oh, and Obi-Wan pushed Grievous, but Grievous isn't Force sensitive, so that's kind of beside the point. And as someone above mentioned, Obi-Wan and Anakin pushed each other.

In the Darth Bane trilogy, they provide a very solid explanation for why Force attacks against other Force sensitives are so rare. (Though, of course, the Darth Bane trilogy is not canon any more, so we'll have to wait for the concept to be re-introduced, as I'm sure it will be.) All Force sensitives are taught to defend themselves with the Force. Yoda actually mentions that the Force is to be used for defense in Episode V. The Darth Bane trilogy just actually explained what that meant.

One of the first Force abilities that Force sensitives are trained in is how to create a defensive "shield" of energy around themselves in combat, majorly dampening any Force-based attacks against them. This holds true to both Jedi and Sith. The more powerful the Jedi is, the more powerful their Force shields are, and this is taking into account both skill level with the Force and innate potential. So, for example, Obi-Wan in Phantom Menace would've had a relatively weak Force shield compared to his shield from A New Hope, because in A New Hope, he's had decades of additional experience, while his potential has stayed the same. Meanwhile, a character like Luke from Return of the Jedi, while having far less experience, would still probably have a stronger Force shield than even Obi-Wan from A New Hope, simply because his potential is that massive.

In order to break through these Force shields, a Force user would either have do deliver a majorly concentrated attack to punch through it, requiring a great level of skill, or they would have to simply smash through it with an overwhelming amount of power.

Of course, all of this is currently "Legends," though I'm almost positive it will be brought back into the folds of the current continuity, just as the various lightsaber forms have been. After all, it's a retcon that is integral to explaining how the Force works for defense and combat.

The biggest question about the force must be:

Why don't the Jedi always move at lightening speed like in TPM? Is it too draining? Does it leave them vulnerable to some forms of attack? Does it announce their presence in the force moreso than other powers? Was it just a one time thing and everyone just forgot about it? Bad writing for George again?

The biggest question about the force must be:

Why don't the Jedi always move at lightening speed like in TPM? Is it too draining? Does it leave them vulnerable to some forms of attack? Does it announce their presence in the force moreso than other powers? Was it just a one time thing and everyone just forgot about it? Bad writing for George again?

All of the above?

The biggest question about the force must be:

Why don't the Jedi always move at lightening speed like in TPM? Is it too draining? Does it leave them vulnerable to some forms of attack? Does it announce their presence in the force moreso than other powers? Was it just a one time thing and everyone just forgot about it? Bad writing for George again?

All of the above?

I'll take Bad Writing For George for $200.

I think certain uses of the force are more draining on the user than others. Something semi passive like deflecting blaster bolts you could do for quite awhile.

But running full speed would be much more limited I'd think. Plus it's one thing to get a burst of speed to run away as opposed to fighting like that.

Best example would be yoda in action. The force allows him to be much more spry and agile for his age, but he can't do it constantly, and it's very exhausting. Seeing as he immediately went for his cane after his duel with dooku.