Given how shoddy the walker and TIE crews were I'm not surprised Kalus wanted to take care of things personally. If he had ordered his ships to fire turbolasers to cut off escape routes and here the rebels I'm sure his gunners would have created trenches to hinder imperial pursuit or even just blown up the rebels all together.

(Dark helmet: I said shoot across her nose, not up it!)

There needs to be a meme of Kallus facepalming. Poor guy has the worst luck.

He should just tell his guys to fire warning shots, and revel in the increase in accuracy.

I keep wanting him to quote Gross Pointe Blanc when the Rebels escape "Dumb F**king Luck!". I actually kinda hope he goes "aight inquisitors, i'm tired of this BS, I'm going Rebal now". (While flipping gang signs).

Agent Kallus is so unlucky, last time he went to a cantina for a pickup it was one of those cantinas.

Without playing the Wall o'Text game:

BKL: "Did you also see the other comments made by the people working at lfl that shows "canon" means something diffrent to them than it does to the fanbase?"

No, citation, please?

Everything I have seen - literally, EVERYTHING - contradicts what you are saying. The official line is that they wiped out everything except the movies, TCW and a few other bits and pieces specifically mentioned and everything else is to be considered make-believe, like a story around a fireplace.

And if by "comments made" there are quotes like "if I had my way" or "I like to think that" then they are not valid.

This is a very binary point being made - there is canon and there are legends. This isn't about opinion or what we would like to see, it's only about what is.

And BKL - for what it's worth, you can believe whatever you like and its cool. If you use this stuff for the basis of an RPG or LARP or whatever, that's your business. If you want to consider the Christmas Special canon, have at it. Star Wars is meant to be enjoyed and you obviously are fanatical, don't feel the need to prove yourself right if the evidence isn't there, just enjoy being a Stat Wars nut - just like the rest of us

I dont hace access to a computer, but what i said is in link next to to the quote i took about canon. Most of the stuff i see that says legends never happend comes from interviewers who add their own opions to their conversations with authors.

Saying the tie advanced one shots things just because its piloted by darth vader doesnt work, isnt valid unless your saying he customised his weapons, making them better than normal x1 weapons.

It absolutely works. Because it accounts for the fact that how much damage a weapon does relies heavily on the pilots accuracy. Because even if the weapons are the same, a shot that hits a wingtip is going to be a lot less damaging than a shot that hits between armor plates and hits the reactor. Or, you know, torpedoes hitting the outside of the Death Star instead of the exhaust port.It's far easier to explain the lethality of Vader as supernatural accuracy than the Advanced having special lasers.It's not like Luke had special torpedoes that could one-shot a Death Star. He was just more accurate with them.

Hey guess what, if someone wants to actully counter the presented evidence they have to counter every individual point presented.

Nope. We've already established you're always wrong. So the fact that he's arguing with you makes him right automatically. No evidence required.

Wait your saying is diffrent now as apposed to just saying, its darth vader. Could be true what your saying, ether way the v1 and x1 have heavyer hitting cannons than regular ties, and the interceptor is shown doing even more damge than the v1 and x1.

Also after endor regular ties are fitted with one shot kill laser cannons, which is seen in sw lost star. Care to take a guess why they didnt put them on tie interceptors?

Your comment that i am automaticly wrong is garbage, any website that takes these debates seriously would have publicly shamed you or blocked for doing what your doing.

the interceptor is shown doing even more damge than the v1 and x1.

Wait...

any website that takes these debates seriously would have publicly shamed you or blocked for doing what your doing.

Computational power is the leveling field for hyperdrives. So, a powerful, expensive computer is needed to calculate these jumps and Moore's Law has presumably run up against hard physical limits.

Going back to the controversy over Wave II, A-Wings are fairly big and beefy - plenty of room for a hyperdrive. In terms of mass and volume they're about the same as an X-Wing, which is long and thin but not bulky. There are size discrepancies but the rather large version with a roomy cockpit is what we see in Rebels - so you can be pretty sure that's the canon size. That also tallies with the cockpit size we see in RoTJ. The N-1 is way smaller.

If you look at the cross-section below, this is way smaller than what you see onscreen in RoTJ. (Where do the pilot's legs even go?)

She definitely has a lot more room in there than the cross-section, but it looks less roomy than Phoenix Squadron's A-Wings. But hey, movies.

If you look at the cross-section book you will also notice they use a picture of the larger a-wing. There probably three diffrent versions of a-wing at the least.

Is it bad that I read all the above previous BKL post in the robot chicken geeks voice? It is isn't it.

Shame on me.

"In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post- Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels . The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s."

From Starwars.com Actual source: http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

I can't comment on lost stars regarding super-duper lasers, but you are very wrong to assume A: they are not put on interceptors and B: That the reason they wouldn't be put on interceptors is because the weapons are already up to snuff. Not wrong because it's an illogical assumption, but wrong because it is an assumption when other viable possibilities exist. For example, maybe the power plant of the little interceptor that could just can't power 4 extra beefy boomsticks?

I've not read that much of the nu-canon yet, nor do I expect to do so for some time (lack of free time I can divert to reading).

I'm starting to read this in the robot chicken voice too, and I've forgotten what the original point of contention was. I do think plotpoints like "extra dakka" on TIE's is kind of lame, but that's fine. I maintain that the reasons B and Y wings are one shotted Is pretty obviously dramatic effect - easily explained by good shot or their shields are down. The mechanics of the X-wing series of games and XWM unfortunately just cannot be applied to the movies.

Bit that actually matters in bold.

the interceptor is shown doing even more damge than the v1 and x1.

Oh yeah. They showed it in all those instances where the Interceptor and the v1 appeared at the same time!Wait...

any website that takes these debates seriously would have publicly shamed you or blocked for doing what your doing.

No it wouldn't, because any website that takes these debates seriously would have banned you long before I even joined the site.

Just look at the targets they have been shown fighting, interceptors take on much more heavy defended targets and down them fast. The x1 is already packing heavy cannons and the interceptor has even bigger versions of the cannons the x1 carries.

Also as i pointed out after endor regular tie fighters were being fitt3d with one shot kill laser cannons.

I would never be banned since i dont go out of my way to make a debate extremely personal the first seconed i meet someone i dont know, who doesnt like what i wrote.

People you follow however do.

The mechanics of the X-wing series of games and XWM unfortunately just cannot be applied to the movies.

They are also not canon, period. Even in the days of the various canon tiers, the game's story line was considered semi-canon, but the mechanics never was.

So any argument about what you could or couldn't do in Tie-Fighter/X-Wing/XvT or X-Wing Alliance applied to a debate on canon, is a losing argument. Since that was never considered canon in the first place.

The size of the gun doesn't matter. If it did, everyone would be using ARCS.

Games were always C canon, but yeah the mechanics weren't perfect to star wars. The games were great, but not perfectly accurate to Star Wars.

I tell you.

Interceptor fans are like F-16 fans. Don't ever try to convince them there's a better fighter around- you'll never hear the end of it.

Is it bad that I read all the above previous BKL post in the robot chicken geeks voice? It is isn't it.

Shame on me.

Is it bad that I read all the above previous BKL post in the robot chicken geeks voice? It is isn't it.

Shame on me.

"In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post- Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels . The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s."

From Starwars.com Actual source: http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

I can't comment on lost stars regarding super-duper lasers, but you are very wrong to assume A: they are not put on interceptors and B: That the reason they wouldn't be put on interceptors is because the weapons are already up to snuff. Not wrong because it's an illogical assumption, but wrong because it is an assumption when other viable possibilities exist. For example, maybe the power plant of the little interceptor that could just can't power 4 extra beefy boomsticks?

I've not read that much of the nu-canon yet, nor do I expect to do so for some time (lack of free time I can divert to reading).

I'm starting to read this in the robot chicken voice too, and I've forgotten what the original point of contention was. I do think plotpoints like "extra dakka" on TIE's is kind of lame, but that's fine. I maintain that the reasons B and Y wings are one shotted Is pretty obviously dramatic effect - easily explained by good shot or their shields are down. The mechanics of the X-wing series of games and XWM unfortunately just cannot be applied to the movies.

Bit that actually matters in bold.

The key phrase in that quote is "wont be discarded" if you can look at the link i left next to my quote about canon. Also i will point out that sw games still havent been put into the legends category.

I didnt say they had to have four of these cannons. They have three diffrent mass-produced tie interceptors, one with just two cannons, the version with 4 9.3 heavy cannons, and a version that replaces all the 9.3s with blaster cannons and puts two chooped down 9.3s in the chin mounts.

Ether way we see them do more damage per beam than other ties, i think the laser cannons put on ties after rotj came from possibly better designes based on the 9.3.

Literally all of that is irrelevant. All of it. 100%

Won't be discarded means -can be re-used in new canon later, it DOES NOT MEAN STILL CANON ! GAWD, WHY DO YOU NOT GET THIS??? HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND, I MEAN IT'S NOT TIME DILATION THEORY OR ANYTHING.

Seriously though, time dilation, blue shifting etc. Really messed with my head when first studying it.

The rest of it doesn't matter because of the above.

The size of the gun doesn't matter. If it did, everyone would be using ARCS.

Games were always C canon, but yeah the mechanics weren't perfect to star wars. The games were great, but not perfectly accurate to Star Wars.

The size of the weapon sorta matters when we are talking about a specific line of weapons, mainly the sfs laser cannon line.

The size of the gun doesn't matter. If it did, everyone would be using ARCS.

Games were always C canon, but yeah the mechanics weren't perfect to star wars. The games were great, but not perfectly accurate to Star Wars.

The size of the weapon sorta matters when we are talking about a specific line of weapons, mainly the sfs laser cannon line.

Why? It's still non quantifiable. Besides of which surely the weapons capacitor and charge would contribute more than the barrel.

Literally all of that is irrelevant. All of it. 100%

Won't be discarded means -can be re-used in new canon later, it DOES NOT MEAN STILL CANON ! GAWD, WHY DO YOU NOT GET THIS??? HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND, I MEAN IT'S NOT TIME DILATION THEORY OR ANYTHING.

Seriously though, time dilation, blue shifting etc. Really messed with my head when first studying it.

The rest of it doesn't matter because of the above.

But thats one reason why its still canon, secondary canon, which is canon without insurance. If you look at the link i posted youll see they dont want legends to be treated like it never happend. You see simular posts like this when writers are being interviewed about the sw stories the wrote, excluding the aftermath author.

Really messed with my head when first studying it.

Trying to argue Canon with BKL is worse... Chaos theory is more easily understood then his ideas of canon.

Also any arguments about rebels that run contrary to what we see on the screen is simple nonsense, Rebels is canon, and so anything you see on the screen is canon. Any source that disagrees with it is quite simply wrong.

If on the other hand it's not about Rebels, then please take it to a different thread so we can keep this one sorta on topic.

Why? It's still non quantifiable. Besides of which surely the weapons capacitor and charge would contribute more than the barrel.

They would, even though its called a cannon and its shown having a length at least half that of the interceptor solar panel, the majority of it shouldn't be just a barrel or opitcal cavity.

The size alone isnt doesnt dtermine the power of the weapon, but it adds to the argument that the 9.3 is really powerful when grouped along with scenes showing them obliterating things with their weapons. And in comparison up till after rotj you see ties with much smaller cannons and they dont cause the same level of damage most the time. The x1 b3ing the only one that does do the same level of damage some times.

Just another chacteristic to point out, interceptors cannons are never shown firing as fast as other tie weapons, and their beams/ bolts tend to be longer.

This regrettably means:

TIE's do not have targeting computers.

Stormtroopers are bloody useless.

TIE Pilots are equally useless. (AHA, NOT ANYMORE - THANKS B-WING EPISODE!!!)

TIE Pilots carry E-11s as side arms (actually AWESOEM!!!11eleven)

XQ platforms are firmly canon. (also awesome!)

Random space Aladdins have the force. - This is bad because of the sheer amount of jedi/force users that cropped up in the EU(set in the Empire era) It was tired the first time, i hope they don't overtire it again.

TIE Fighters explode really prettily now.

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Just another chacteristic to point out, interceptors cannons are never shown firing as fast as other tie weapons, and their beams/ bolts tend to be longer.

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Battlefront 2. As canon as other sources you have posted. TIE Fighter (and the xwing series in general). As canon as other sources you have posted, including TIE Fighters bloody game guide. In TIE Fighter, there is a laser fire rate which is really adjusted by if you single, dual or quad fire. Interceptors fire rapidly when single fire cycling, and still fast enough at quad. I've used quadlaser to mess up A-wings many, many many times. I was probably doing this before you were born.

As someone who will be cosplaying a TIE Pilot (with an E-11, BWAHAHA) next Halcon, Rebels has actually done me some solids...

Stormtroopers are bloody useless.

TIE Pilots are equally useless. (AHA, NOT ANYMORE - THANKS B-WING EPISODE!!!)

Well the two sorta go hand in hand... The B-Wing episode was one of the first ones with real mook on mook action. If you ever see nameless 'red shirt' rebel troops I fully expect to see Stormtroopers able to take a number of them out.

Stormtroopers are bloody useless.

TIE Pilots are equally useless. (AHA, NOT ANYMORE - THANKS B-WING EPISODE!!!)

Well the two sorta go hand in hand... The B-Wing episode was one of the first ones with real mook on mook action. If you ever see nameless 'red shirt' rebel troops I fully expect to see Stormtroopers able to take a number of them out.

You'll know when this happens. I won't be posting on this board, excepting that the one south park episode about the internet going down will be referenced. specifically the end.

I think it feels weird because the phantom having no hyperdrive was a plot point a few times before

Where was it a plot point that the phantom DIDN'T have a hyperdrive?

Kanan and Ezra would have needed one to eacape the clone base, even Hera and Sabine went there in the phantom.

Quarrie stated that he "upgraded" the hyperdrive - implying that there was one there already.

Off-topic, but I have no idea why this character, played by a woman, had her voice dubbed over by a man.