He works well for bouncing interactions off of.

Could we get back to the far more important matter of what kind of fun situations we can put seventh sister in? See, I think we need to get her and Sabine alone in a room together. I can see that going all kinds of well. Or failing that see if she can tempt Hera away from Kanan. That would be a better story arc and twist.

Honestly you could drop Zeb and nothing about the show would change for the worse.

Honestly you could drop Zeb and nothing about the show would change for the worse.

Taking Steven Blum out of anything is a hate crime.

Could we get back to the far more important matter of what kind of fun situations we can put seventh sister in? See, I think we need to get her and Sabine alone in a room together. I can see that going all kinds of well. Or failing that see if she can tempt Hera away from Kanan. That would be a better story arc and twist.

What, the same thing that would happen if The Inquisitor and Ezra were alone in a room together?

We already know what happened to his sister, thanks to a handful of books that have been released.

****in' books!

****in' books! How do they work?

I always figured the spinning sabers were to sell all the sitting inventory from Episode III

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Grievous-Spinning-Lightsaber/dp/B0039X6XZG

I love Rebels but call my cynical on that one -

I hate the spinning Lightsabres all the Inquisitors are using. It suck, and I will continue on why, but its very irritating that every one of the Inquisitors so far have been give the mechanical spinning sabres.

I hate them because they rely to much on the mechanical spinning gimmick. Unless the hilt is made out of something special some one could just shoot the part spinning in the middle, the hilt, and that would destroy the sabres. Also if the sabre blade hits something that can't be cut by the blade, in theory the machine will then spin that handle held part real fast breaking the persons wrist holding the thing.

That is basically what happens in the final battle between Kanan and the Grand Inquisitor.

And the Inquisitors clearly don't break their wrists every time they clash lightsabers, so it seems like the spinning mechanism stops when it encounters too much resistance.

Double-sided lightsabers don't make sense from a practical perspective, but that has more to do with limiting the wielder's range of motion than any sort of spinning. And no one cares anyway because they look cool.

So much to say, I'll start with a good point.

"And the Inquisitors clearly don't break their wrists every time they clash lightsabers, so it seems like the spinning mechanism stops when it encounters too much resistance. ": Yes.

Some of the arguments I've seen here are borderline nutty; "His gun couldn't work because the lore says it uses chemical explosions to push the bullet; clearly it would explode in his hand as soon as he used it.", that sort of thing, so it's nice when people assume that the machines are designed to work.

Why make it spin? I've heard that a lightsaber's cutting power is based on the speed of the cut at the time of impact; make a machine spin it for you , and every impact is ensured to cut, deeply . Depending on the method there are many possible uses, and it would certainly make deflecting stabs easier across the board.

And for the range of motion argument; lightsabers aren't swords. Range of motion for a sword comes down to weight, length, edge alignment and the environment. Most swords also have the unspoken carry factor; that is to say how easily is the weapon kept on your person. You won't be walking around a palace talking to people with a spear, zweihander, or LMG strapped to your back; you can only socialise with so large a weapon on your person.

Back to range of motion, the physical attributes of the weapon dictate how it is used and the defenses on would take against it, and since we tend to look at lightsabers as swords, let's think in terms of them.

A single-edged blade can be sharper than the double-edged equivalent, yet require more time and space to line up a second strike than a sword that has a backswing.

A cutting sword can make large sweeps, but tends to be easily deflected by armor that a straighter sword could stab through. (Chainmail no like stabs.)

A curved blade drains a little power from the stab and places it in the cut, a larger guard protects the hands while limiting how close the sword can be drawn-in to one's person, a sidesword is small and fashionable and can be take into places where a messer or pata can not; all of the attributes determine how the weapon is used.

And finally, no matter the style these weapons simply are usually not comparable to a standard battlefield kit. (I don't care how many folds are in your katana or how many monks blessed your broadsword; you are not cutting through a set of plate mail.)

So let's look at the lightsaber like a sword (here comes my sales pitch! );

Omni-direction striking surface means the "blade" is always lined up for a cut.

The "blade" is so "sharp" that now you can cut through plate mail, as well as most modern armor types and blast doors.

There is no guard. Your wrist and fingers are fair game. (How many people have lost their hands in this saga?)

The blade retracts completely into a 9-12" baton when not in use, and both blade baton come in a myriad of styles materials and colors. Always fashionable, can be carried in your purse or pocket, deployable in about a second. You can take this anywhere.

Blade is about 36" on average with longer and shorter styles available; the baton is the only thing with any weight, but due to weird interactions with the air it will feel like you are waving around a rather large flag when you swing. Buyer beware.

So, all the way back to range of motion: this thing has a practically infinite range of motion. The only way you could give it more striking capability is by putting more blades on it. (Speak of the devil.)

You don't kill a guy in full plate buy swing a sword at him. You use a thin dirk from behind, between the plates.

Or magic. And there's definately magic in SW, cause a saw an Ewok movie where a witch turned into a bird!

MAGIC!

We already know what happened to his sister, thanks to a handful of books that have been released.

****in' books!

****in' books! How do they work?

I always figured the spinning sabers were to sell all the sitting inventory from Episode III

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Grievous-Spinning-Lightsaber/dp/B0039X6XZG

I love Rebels but call my cynical on that one -

I hate the spinning Lightsabres all the Inquisitors are using. It suck, and I will continue on why, but its very irritating that every one of the Inquisitors so far have been give the mechanical spinning sabres.

I hate them because they rely to much on the mechanical spinning gimmick. Unless the hilt is made out of something special some one could just shoot the part spinning in the middle, the hilt, and that would destroy the sabres. Also if the sabre blade hits something that can't be cut by the blade, in theory the machine will then spin that handle held part real fast breaking the persons wrist holding the thing.

That is basically what happens in the final battle between Kanan and the Grand Inquisitor.

And the Inquisitors clearly don't break their wrists every time they clash lightsabers, so it seems like the spinning mechanism stops when it encounters too much resistance.

Double-sided lightsabers don't make sense from a practical perspective, but that has more to do with limiting the wielder's range of motion than any sort of spinning. And no one cares anyway because they look cool.

So much to say, I'll start with a good point.

"And the Inquisitors clearly don't break their wrists every time they clash lightsabers, so it seems like the spinning mechanism stops when it encounters too much resistance. ": Yes.

Some of the arguments I've seen here are borderline nutty; "His gun couldn't work because the lore says it uses chemical explosions to push the bullet; clearly it would explode in his hand as soon as he used it.", that sort of thing, so it's nice when people assume that the machines are designed to work.

Why make it spin? I've heard that a lightsaber's cutting power is based on the speed of the cut at the time of impact; make a machine spin it for you , and every impact is ensured to cut, deeply . Depending on the method there are many possible uses, and it would certainly make deflecting stabs easier across the board.

And for the range of motion argument; lightsabers aren't swords. Range of motion for a sword comes down to weight, length, edge alignment and the environment. Most swords also have the unspoken carry factor; that is to say how easily is the weapon kept on your person. You won't be walking around a palace talking to people with a spear, zweihander, or LMG strapped to your back; you can only socialise with so large a weapon on your person.

Back to range of motion, the physical attributes of the weapon dictate how it is used and the defenses on would take against it, and since we tend to look at lightsabers as swords, let's think in terms of them.

A single-edged blade can be sharper than the double-edged equivalent, yet require more time and space to line up a second strike than a sword that has a backswing.

A cutting sword can make large sweeps, but tends to be easily deflected by armor that a straighter sword could stab through. (Chainmail no like stabs.)

A curved blade drains a little power from the stab and places it in the cut, a larger guard protects the hands while limiting how close the sword can be drawn-in to one's person, a sidesword is small and fashionable and can be take into places where a messer or pata can not; all of the attributes determine how the weapon is used.

And finally, no matter the style these weapons simply are usually not comparable to a standard battlefield kit. (I don't care how many folds are in your katana or how many monks blessed your broadsword; you are not cutting through a set of plate mail.)

So let's look at the lightsaber like a sword (here comes my sales pitch! );

Omni-direction striking surface means the "blade" is always lined up for a cut.

The "blade" is so "sharp" that now you can cut through plate mail, as well as most modern armor types and blast doors.

There is no guard. Your wrist and fingers are fair game. (How many people have lost their hands in this saga?)

The blade retracts completely into a 9-12" baton when not in use, and both blade baton come in a myriad of styles materials and colors. Always fashionable, can be carried in your purse or pocket, deployable in about a second. You can take this anywhere.

Blade is about 36" on average with longer and shorter styles available; the baton is the only thing with any weight, but due to weird interactions with the air it will feel like you are waving around a rather large flag when you swing. Buyer beware.

So, all the way back to range of motion: this thing has a practically infinite range of motion. The only way you could give it more striking capability is by putting more blades on it. (Speak of the devil.)

So there scenes were these Inquisitors have their Lightsabres spinning, and they have the blades clash an enemies blade? Excluding the two Rebel Movies and scenes from episodes people felt the need to upload because they thought they were "cool," I haven't seen much of the show, but in all the stuff I have seen I have never seen what you are describing.

Well even if it has a safty sorta like what you see with bone saws, I still don't like it that every Inquisitor has this lightsabre. Few should melee weapons at all. Lots of Inquisitors I have seen rely on Inquisitorial Dark Troopers (Dark Trooper that have weapons and fight just like Grey Knights from Warhammer 40k,) to do their fighting for them. I would be ok with the main characters that are force users beating these guys, as opposed to pawning Vader probably over and over again, because these guys are purposely limited in their training in what they can do in the force, they are super deadly but they are missing key force techniques, if they happen to learn said techniques on their own they will probably be killed by the Grand Inquisitor or Vader. This also applies to any Inquisitors that may learn more for techniques than they were purposely limited to learning.

You like swords... Real fighters use Morning Stars or Lances

You don't kill a guy in full plate buy swing a sword at him. You use a thin dirk from behind, between the plates.

Or magic. And there's definately magic in SW, cause a saw an Ewok movie where a witch turned into a bird!

MAGIC!

Thats nothing compared to what here more powerful relatives have done in the CW show. They made air into a metal blade that can block jedi lightsabres, they also made air into chalices full of refreshments.

So there scenes were these Inquisitors have their Lightsabres spinning, and they have the blades clash an enemies blade? Excluding the two Rebel Movies and scenes from episodes people felt the need to upload because they thought they were "cool," I haven't seen much of the show, but in all the stuff I have seen I have never seen what you are describing.

I don't mind them. They're kind of a symbol of the Inquisitorius. I imagine the lightsabers are for use against Jedi only. They'd need them when taking down lightsaber-wielding Jedi, and the spinning gives them an advantage in combat, as the only Jedi that fought Darth Maul (who was the only person to publicly use a double-bladed saber for a long time at that point) were either dead or in hiding.

I'd rather they use vibroblades made of phrik or cortosis, but Lucas put the kibosh on that idea when he made them switch to the darksaber. If I never see that horrible idea again, it'll be too soon.

You don't kill a guy in full plate buy swing a sword at him. You use a thin dirk from behind, between the plates.

Or magic. And there's definately magic in SW, cause a saw an Ewok movie where a witch turned into a bird!

MAGIC!

Yes but.....

Hmm. You got me.

Can't beat magic.

So there scenes were these Inquisitors have their Lightsabres spinning, and they have the blades clash an enemies blade? Excluding the two Rebel Movies and scenes from episodes people felt the need to upload because they thought they were "cool," I haven't seen much of the show, but in all the stuff I have seen I have never seen what you are describing.

You like swords... Real fighters use Morning Stars or Lances

ERMAGERD WURCH MUR RRBLES NUR . (Erts gurd fur yu.)

And remember, swords are sidearms.

It'd be silly if a soldier chose a pistol as his main rather than an automatic rifle, just as it's be silly if a fighter opted for a sword over a spear on the battlefield.

But as the term sidearm implies, you can carry a sword or pistol around with you all the time; I'd like to see you try the same with a lance or rocket launcher under your arm.

Why yes, I am both pleased to see you, and that is a lance/rocket launcher(depending on setting).

It doubles as a magic wand.

You don't kill a guy in full plate buy swing a sword at him. You use a thin dirk from behind, between the plates.

Or magic. And there's definately magic in SW, cause a saw an Ewok movie where a witch turned into a bird!

MAGIC!

Or you knock them down and then put your weight into the tip of your sword in a joint... or an eye slit. Hitting him with the sword might not kill him, but it can hurt him and disorient him.

@Kelvin:

A sword with a single edge cannot be made any sharper than a sword with two edges. And frankly, past a certain point, the sharpness of a blade becomes redundant. A sharper blade is dulled and damaged more easily (dulling is not the biggest enemy: chipping the edge is). What a single-edged sword is is stronger for a given length and weight. The length of the guard is made to be proportional to the rest of the sword, in order to protect the hands, as in the case of a sword smashing pummel and guard into a shield.

My B-wing fetish has been thoroughly satisfied with this episode.

Incomming new B-Wing title: Prototype Blade Wing - Increase attack value by 4. After you fire, you can no longer move.

I think it is pretty interesting the phantom is

The crew won't always have to take the obviously big target when venturing forth

I think it is pretty interesting the phantom is

hyperspace mobile now

The crew won't always have to take the obviously big target when venturing forth

It's always had a hyperdrive. "Into Darkness", with Hera and Sabine travelling to that base with the light sensitive monsters, is evidence of this. though, it was neat that the Imperials named dropped the VCX.

Good episode. Hera is indeed, the best. And some nice nods to the EU in there.

I think it is pretty interesting the phantom is

hyperspace mobile now

The crew won't always have to take the obviously big target when venturing forth

It's always had a hyperdrive. "Into Darkness", with Hera and Sabine travelling to that base with the light sensitive monsters, is evidence of this. though, it was neat that the Imperials named dropped the VCX.

Good episode. Hera is indeed, the best. And some nice nods to the EU in there.

It explicitly did not have a hyperdrive.

That's why they fell out of hyperspace in a later episode (the one right after empire day). It's why they were able to fool the empire in that episode.

Yeah, dropping out of hyperspace doesn't mean it doesn't have a hyperdrive. They chose not to engage it. And since it seems unlikely that Hera would request a drop off for a potential secret meeting with Fulcrum, the Phantom needed a hyperdrive to get there.

You don't kill a guy in full plate buy swing a sword at him. You use a thin dirk from behind, between the plates.

Or magic. And there's definately magic in SW, cause a saw an Ewok movie where a witch turned into a bird!

MAGIC!

Or you knock them down and then put your weight into the tip of your sword in a joint... or an eye slit. Hitting him with the sword might not kill him, but it can hurt him and disorient him.

@Kelvin:

A sword with a single edge cannot be made any sharper than a sword with two edges. And frankly, past a certain point, the sharpness of a blade becomes redundant. A sharper blade is dulled and damaged more easily (dulling is not the biggest enemy: chipping the edge is). What a single-edged sword is is stronger for a given length and weight. The length of the guard is made to be proportional to the rest of the sword, in order to protect the hands, as in the case of a sword smashing pummel and guard into a shield.

A sword with a single edge cannot be made any sharper than a sword with two edges.

Phrasing. What I meant was that in swords of the same width, a double-edged sword will have to split its with between the two edges; whereas the single edged can dedicate it's entire width to one, allowing for a narrower grind compared to the same width with two.

And frankly, past a certain point, the sharpness of a blade becomes redundant.

Yes.

A sharper blade is dulled and damaged more easily (dulling is not the biggest enemy: chipping the edge is).

Also yes.

What a single-edged sword is is stronger for a given length and weight.

No, no I don't think so. The strength is in the steel type and the fuller, not the edge grind.

The length of the guard is made to be proportional to the rest of the sword, in order to protect the hands,

Maybe sometimes? If so, how do Tsubas reconcile with European Crossguards, and where do Bell and Basket hilts fit in?

as in the case of a sword smashing pummel and guard into a shield.

Pommel; and never do this. Ever. I've done it, and now I'm telling you, don't do this.

And Grimmy, don't try killing guys in plate with dirks: they're a lot more agile than they're given credit for. Punches, tackles and kicks will not even phase them, if you do knock them over they will probably roll away and scramble back up with little to no injury (personal experience), and if they get a hold of you it's probably over.

I'd get a poleaxe, or a spear; or better yet, your own set of plate.

Edit: Sorry for taking up so much forum space talking about semi-Star-Warsy things. Going to start PM-ing more often to keep this out of the main topic.

All I need now in rebels is an episode with Wedge in it and all my desires have been met...

That would probably be a late game thing, because wedge would need an x-wing

That would probably be a late game thing, because wedge would need an x-wing

I wouldn't mind seeing a young wedge in a Z-95 myself

Or Wedge might drive an A-wing.

Sheeeeeeeeeeit!

I can't tell if that's supposed to be the Ion Cannon, or an entirely new weapon.

Either way, they basically turned the B-Wing into a tiny Death Star. It 2-shotted a light cruiser.

On a side-note. That S&V Gozanti has been showing up in quite a few episodes lately.

it was neat that the Imperials named dropped the VCX.

Or Wedge might drive an A-wing.