TFU II is why I'm glad TFU isn't canon anymore.

Wait ... you're serious?

I still wish that most of the Force Unleashed stuff was canon; even in the second game didn't improve on the first gameplay-wise and lowered the bar plot-wise: sins of the son and that sort of thing.

The environments were breathtaking, they had a variety of enemies, there were even a few cool moments in the second game as well (namely the horror show on the frigate).

I dunno, I can't just throw out the whole series with the second's bathwater story.

(Edit. No offense by the way. Having John Jonah Jameson laugh at one can be a harrowing experience. )

You know i've played - and created- some pretty heavily RP based X-wing Vs. TIE Games.

adding lines of radio chatter is what you DO when making missions.

Battlefront II doesn't cut it though. Also, I liked the TFU troopers, and scenarios/areas. But the actual game itself...meh.

I'd rather be a badass normal every time than a ninja space wizard with a glowstick.

I know right? I remember one session where the guy I played with rp'd his cockpit damage and weapons malfunction as him being reduced to rolling down the window and firing at me with his sidearm!

And yeah, I'm a little biased when it comes to TFU. You see, I had just come off of a string of games with mickey-mouse stormtroopers and goody two-shoes Jedi when I found it; the game was like playing through an art gallery of very good grimmish Star Wars interpretations that just happened to have gameplay .

With the change of pace, after the very first Heavy Trooper the game could do little wrong for me. I may think differently if I played it again. (which I might just to see that world again. )

Just wait though, 1313 may not be all dead.

Anyway, back to Rebels.

I am glad I am going to finish A New Dawn before the next, Hera centric, episode.

I would say we are way off topic, but TFU is actually pretty close to Rebels in subject matter and timeline. Way to keep things topical!

Does 501st endorse TFU as source material for costumes?

!#$^ TFU. Fun game, sure. Horrible story.

I would say we are way off topic, but TFU is actually pretty close to Rebels in subject matter and timeline. Way to keep things topical!

Does 501st endorse TFU as source material for costumes?

Yes, the Flagship Eclipse detachment is entirely for EU characters; they even have Starkiller in their visual guide.

http://www.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CRL

In fact, many of the detachments just seem to have TFU variants in their costuming guides, so I'd answer a general yes you your question.

Anyway, back to Rebels.

I am glad I am going to finish A New Dawn before the next, Hera centric, episode.

A New Dawn is six years prior yes? Sound like a good place for character background.

Could you give us a brief (spoiler-labeled) synopsys?

!#$^ TFU. Fun game, sure. Horrible story.

I thought the story was fine. Even good.

Though it conflicts directly with the one Rebels is trying to tell about the formation of the Rebel Alliance.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Galen and Juno showed up in Rebels though. They could make Galen an Inquisitor.

It's also funny to me that Juno Eclipse and Hera Syndulla are both characters involved in Rebel Alliance origin stories, and both named after the same goddess.

Before TFU the Rebellion was formed by a group of senators allying with guerrilla bands. Afterwards it was formed as part of a plot by Palpatine gone out of control the rebel leaders knew about the Death Star and the Empire knew exactly who the rebel leaders were but let Bail continue doing as he wished despite that fact. How does this make sense?

Before TFU the Rebellion was formed by a group of senators allying with guerrilla bands. Afterwards it was formed as part of a plot by Palpatine gone out of control the rebel leaders knew about the Death Star and the Empire knew exactly who the rebel leaders were but let Bail continue doing as he wished despite that fact. How does this make sense?

Everything has transpired exactly as I have foreseen...except creating the Rebel Alliance...oops!

Unless we are to believe that Sheev planned everything and needed the rebellion as some kind of excuse to crack down on the populace and eventually lure out Luke who he totally knew about. Also I suppose crushing the Rebellion that was never oppose to grow too large in one final battle would show that resistance is futile.

Hmmm, nope still doesn't work. He would have snuffed out any organized resistance as soon as it was possible if he knew exactly who the leaders were.

Is that plasma thrower even close to being canon? I mean, I know it's A cannon, but...

Yeah, everything in the past before Disney took over still happens in the Disney Wars universe, its just the fine details that may change for characters. Really don't see how the fine details for a speciality trooper can be contradicited unless, LFL hires a authors whos goals is to try as hard as they can to contradict everything.

Say what you like about the second game, but the starship levels made it worth it for me.

(You're totally right about the Incinerator Trooper vs the Flametrooper btw; the Incinerator is nice, but ultimately just a Stormtrooper with red plates and a fancy gun.)

Not so. Incenerator troopers carry shielding strong enough to block a couple blows from light sabres, they can use the plasma rifle/ plasmathrower we mentioned before, or they can use flamethrowers or chemical sprayers that spray reactive chemicals. They also use mortar launchers that lob thermobaric canisters.

Magma Stormtroopers / Lavatroopers are cool too. The use heavy blaster weapons and the SS-Mobile-tech flamethrower. Their armour was desinged to withstand 1,900 degress centigrade.

Can Flametroopers do any of these things =p

TFU II is why I'm glad TFU isn't canon anymore.

Wait ... you're serious?

I still wish that most of the Force Unleashed stuff was canon; even in the second game didn't improve on the first gameplay-wise and lowered the bar plot-wise: sins of the son and that sort of thing.

The environments were breathtaking, they had a variety of enemies, there were even a few cool moments in the second game as well (namely the horror show on the frigate).

I dunno, I can't just throw out the whole series with the second's bathwater story.

(Edit. No offense by the way. Having John Jonah Jameson laugh at one can be a harrowing experience. )

Its not gone, did you play the challenge missions or read the novel and comic? The Force Unleashed series was designed the same way as Shadows of the Empire. You wont get the whole story from one medium. The comics for SOTE and TFU2 were all from Boba Fetts perspective. The callenge missions gave you story content from Vaders perspective. Most people I talk to know nothing about the videos you get for getting bronze in the Challenges.

SWTFU2 was awesome because alot of it ties in with SW Dark Empire. Most of the force using entities Sidious created that you see in Dark Empire are more than likely created using Star Killers dna.

!#$^ TFU. Fun game, sure. Horrible story.

I thought the story was fine. Even good.

Though it conflicts directly with the one Rebels is trying to tell about the formation of the Rebel Alliance.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Galen and Juno showed up in Rebels though. They could make Galen an Inquisitor.

It's also funny to me that Juno Eclipse and Hera Syndulla are both characters involved in Rebel Alliance origin stories, and both named after the same goddess.

I haven't seen any conflicts in story at all SWTFU vs Rebels.

Before TFU the Rebellion was formed by a group of senators allying with guerrilla bands. Afterwards it was formed as part of a plot by Palpatine gone out of control the rebel leaders knew about the Death Star and the Empire knew exactly who the rebel leaders were but let Bail continue doing as he wished despite that fact. How does this make sense?

In the end its still the same, the Rebel Allicance is forumed by groups of senators that were preforming rebelous actions against the Empire. They knew about the Death Star, that doesn't mean they knew it could destroy. planets, stars, universes, multiverses. There plenty of giant Imperial space stations, why would anyone at that point in time assume it has such a destructive weapon? They technically didn't let Bail go, he fled are remained in hidding un on till his death.

Before TFU the Rebellion was formed by a group of senators allying with guerrilla bands. Afterwards it was formed as part of a plot by Palpatine gone out of control the rebel leaders knew about the Death Star and the Empire knew exactly who the rebel leaders were but let Bail continue doing as he wished despite that fact. How does this make sense?

Everything has transpired exactly as I have foreseen...except creating the Rebel Alliance...oops!

Unless we are to believe that Sheev planned everything and needed the rebellion as some kind of excuse to crack down on the populace and eventually lure out Luke who he totally knew about. Also I suppose crushing the Rebellion that was never oppose to grow too large in one final battle would show that resistance is futile.

Hmmm, nope still doesn't work. He would have snuffed out any organized resistance as soon as it was possible if he knew exactly who the leaders were.

There many reasons WHY he wanted the Rebel Alliance to be formed. He wanted all of, or most of, the Rebel forces that were making hit and runs on IMP forces to unifiy and become more dangerious. Remember at this time the Imperial senate still dictates what goes on in the empire, or at the least, has a hand in what is done in the empire. By having the Rebel Alliance forum, he can present to the Imperial Senate legit reasons for building up the Imperial war machine. He "could" use his force powers to make the senate do as he wished BUT he is trying to maintain an Empire that through willing choice, the members will want to, or agree with, changes made in their gov infrastructure.

His two major goals was, live forever, make an Empire that will outlast him. He wanted to live forever but his 2nd primary goal didn't depend on him surviving. The people runing that Empire needed to whilingly believe they are morally correct and have emotional attachments too the Empire. Slaving everyone with his force powers would not work, because if he died his empire would desolve, everyone in it would snap out of the state they were in and just leave, most of them at least.

The Imperial Senate wont always see eye to eye with the Emperor, which is good for him, because he had it already planned to eventully phase them out. By draging their feet in the face of a growing threat, like the Rebel Alliance, the true Imperial citizens will have littile problem with having the Imperial Senate sweeped away AND they will be ok with having the Imperial war machine expanded.

By ROTJ the Empire has around 600 mil captial ships... They have a 1 mil just going by sectors named in SW, 100,000 of those are Star Destroyers, not counting Battleships and Super Star Destroyers.

TFU II is why I'm glad TFU isn't canon anymore.

Wait ... you're serious?

I still wish that most of the Force Unleashed stuff was canon; even in the second game didn't improve on the first gameplay-wise and lowered the bar plot-wise: sins of the son and that sort of thing.

The environments were breathtaking, they had a variety of enemies, there were even a few cool moments in the second game as well (namely the horror show on the frigate).

I dunno, I can't just throw out the whole series with the second's bathwater story.

(Edit. No offense by the way. Having John Jonah Jameson laugh at one can be a harrowing experience. )

Yep. See the above arguments. In addition, I should say that TFU was okay, but TFU II ruined it bro.

After reading all the differentiating opinions about TFU 1 and 2, I went back and watched the YouTube cutscene movies, because let's face it, I'm not replaying both games. And I am going to have to agree with those who say #2 made it suck. I understand Starkiller wants to save his love and all that fake romance stuff but if he actually helped Rahm Kota, and not just let the story develop in its own in the background. I mean Kota takes Kamino in a sentence in the background of Starkillers dialogue. It would have been a lot better to have him participate in the rebellion as more of a ambassador warrior type instead of a horny clone.

EDIT: Since this is a Rebels topic, I'm going to contribute to that discussion as well...how cool is it that we're seeing the new history of the Bwing this week? And we get to find out more about Hera, soon to be an XWing powerhouse (fingers crossed the whole crew are bosses)

I haven't seen any conflicts in story at all SWTFU vs Rebels.

Well, for one thing, TFU establishes that the firehawk that is the symbol of the Rebel Alliance is the Marek family crest.

Rebels seems to be foreshadowing that the symbol will originate from Sabine Wrens graffiti tag.

I thought it was called a Starbird, similar to the Jedi Starbird.

I thought it was called a Starbird, similar to the Jedi Starbird.

Well it WAS a lot of things. But none of those things is canon anymore. The new implication is that Wren created it herself. And that the fact that she tends to leave it everywhere when they do rebellion stuff is going to lead to it eventually becoming the symbol of the Alliance.

That symbol just seems too widespread among the Massassi pilots to have started as graffiti. More than likely it was a symbol of Alderaan, as that planet had sponsored that cell and most likely directly supplied equipment from surplus sector based armed forces.

The Jedi Starbird IS canon, however, and may have influenced Wren. I do like her Starbird/Phoenix design.

Where did Han get that flight helmet in ANH? It's the same design that the rebels used! Did he get it from the same surplus stock? It must have been a pretty common design, explaining why the rebels used them almost exclusively until all the cells gathered at Sullust and we see a large variety of designs in flight gear, even a Y-wing pilot wearing a unique design.

And when are we gonna see more Z-95s in the animation?! We haven't seen any since the me of TCW and that was a weird clone variant. Let's see some cool scum variants! It shouldn't be too hard to render, there's plenty of designs to follow.

Just please don't show Han flying one, that would be too silly for Kanan and gang to meet both Lando and Han.

Han flies a Z-95 in Han Solo at Stars End. In fact, it's probably the first ever mention of it.

Yeah I know, I just don't want him to do that on rebels

TFU II is why I'm glad TFU isn't canon anymore.

Wait ... you're serious?

I still wish that most of the Force Unleashed stuff was canon; even in the second game didn't improve on the first gameplay-wise and lowered the bar plot-wise: sins of the son and that sort of thing.

The environments were breathtaking, they had a variety of enemies, there were even a few cool moments in the second game as well (namely the horror show on the frigate).

I dunno, I can't just throw out the whole series with the second's bathwater story.

(Edit. No offense by the way. Having John Jonah Jameson laugh at one can be a harrowing experience. )

Yep. See the above arguments. In addition, I should say that TFU was okay, but TFU II ruined it bro.

But the troopers, an-and the lightning, and the space and... and... doh.... ok...

and the cloning project, and the lame vader, and the Nebulon-B force lightning powered gun that can one shot a star destroyer, and the random boba fett inclusion

Boba Fett, where?

The spirit of George was strong with that game.

Is that plasma thrower even close to being canon? I mean, I know it's A cannon, but...

Yeah, everything in the past before Disney took over still happens in the Disney Wars universe, its just the fine details that may change for characters. Really don't see how the fine details for a speciality trooper can be contradicited unless, LFL hires a authors whos goals is to try as hard as they can to contradict everything.

Say what you like about the second game, but the starship levels made it worth it for me.

(You're totally right about the Incinerator Trooper vs the Flametrooper btw; the Incinerator is nice, but ultimately just a Stormtrooper with red plates and a fancy gun.)

Not so. Incenerator troopers carry shielding strong enough to block a couple blows from light sabres, they can use the plasma rifle/ plasmathrower we mentioned before, or they can use flamethrowers or chemical sprayers that spray reactive chemicals. They also use mortar launchers that lob thermobaric canisters.

Magma Stormtroopers / Lavatroopers are cool too. The use heavy blaster weapons and the SS-Mobile-tech flamethrower. Their armour was desinged to withstand 1,900 degress centigrade.

Can Flametroopers do any of these things =p

TFU II is why I'm glad TFU isn't canon anymore.

Wait ... you're serious?

I still wish that most of the Force Unleashed stuff was canon; even in the second game didn't improve on the first gameplay-wise and lowered the bar plot-wise: sins of the son and that sort of thing.

The environments were breathtaking, they had a variety of enemies, there were even a few cool moments in the second game as well (namely the horror show on the frigate).

I dunno, I can't just throw out the whole series with the second's bathwater story.

(Edit. No offense by the way. Having John Jonah Jameson laugh at one can be a harrowing experience. )

Its not gone, did you play the challenge missions or read the novel and comic? The Force Unleashed series was designed the same way as Shadows of the Empire. You wont get the whole story from one medium. The comics for SOTE and TFU2 were all from Boba Fetts perspective. The callenge missions gave you story content from Vaders perspective. Most people I talk to know nothing about the videos you get for getting bronze in the Challenges.

SWTFU2 was awesome because alot of it ties in with SW Dark Empire. Most of the force using entities Sidious created that you see in Dark Empire are more than likely created using Star Killers dna.

!#$^ TFU. Fun game, sure. Horrible story.

I thought the story was fine. Even good.

Though it conflicts directly with the one Rebels is trying to tell about the formation of the Rebel Alliance.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Galen and Juno showed up in Rebels though. They could make Galen an Inquisitor.

It's also funny to me that Juno Eclipse and Hera Syndulla are both characters involved in Rebel Alliance origin stories, and both named after the same goddess.

I haven't seen any conflicts in story at all SWTFU vs Rebels.

Before TFU the Rebellion was formed by a group of senators allying with guerrilla bands. Afterwards it was formed as part of a plot by Palpatine gone out of control the rebel leaders knew about the Death Star and the Empire knew exactly who the rebel leaders were but let Bail continue doing as he wished despite that fact. How does this make sense?

In the end its still the same, the Rebel Allicance is forumed by groups of senators that were preforming rebelous actions against the Empire. They knew about the Death Star, that doesn't mean they knew it could destroy. planets, stars, universes, multiverses. There plenty of giant Imperial space stations, why would anyone at that point in time assume it has such a destructive weapon? They technically didn't let Bail go, he fled are remained in hidding un on till his death.

Before TFU the Rebellion was formed by a group of senators allying with guerrilla bands. Afterwards it was formed as part of a plot by Palpatine gone out of control the rebel leaders knew about the Death Star and the Empire knew exactly who the rebel leaders were but let Bail continue doing as he wished despite that fact. How does this make sense?

Everything has transpired exactly as I have foreseen...except creating the Rebel Alliance...oops!

Unless we are to believe that Sheev planned everything and needed the rebellion as some kind of excuse to crack down on the populace and eventually lure out Luke who he totally knew about. Also I suppose crushing the Rebellion that was never oppose to grow too large in one final battle would show that resistance is futile.

Hmmm, nope still doesn't work. He would have snuffed out any organized resistance as soon as it was possible if he knew exactly who the leaders were.

There many reasons WHY he wanted the Rebel Alliance to be formed. He wanted all of, or most of, the Rebel forces that were making hit and runs on IMP forces to unifiy and become more dangerious. Remember at this time the Imperial senate still dictates what goes on in the empire, or at the least, has a hand in what is done in the empire. By having the Rebel Alliance forum, he can present to the Imperial Senate legit reasons for building up the Imperial war machine. He "could" use his force powers to make the senate do as he wished BUT he is trying to maintain an Empire that through willing choice, the members will want to, or agree with, changes made in their gov infrastructure.

His two major goals was, live forever, make an Empire that will outlast him. He wanted to live forever but his 2nd primary goal didn't depend on him surviving. The people runing that Empire needed to whilingly believe they are morally correct and have emotional attachments too the Empire. Slaving everyone with his force powers would not work, because if he died his empire would desolve, everyone in it would snap out of the state they were in and just leave, most of them at least.

The Imperial Senate wont always see eye to eye with the Emperor, which is good for him, because he had it already planned to eventully phase them out. By draging their feet in the face of a growing threat, like the Rebel Alliance, the true Imperial citizens will have littile problem with having the Imperial Senate sweeped away AND they will be ok with having the Imperial war machine expanded.

By ROTJ the Empire has around 600 mil captial ships... They have a 1 mil just going by sectors named in SW, 100,000 of those are Star Destroyers, not counting Battleships and Super Star Destroyers.

Ok where did you get your numbers? 25 star destroyers per sector and 1,000 sectors is 25,000 Star Destroyers not 100,000. 1,600 additional warships per sector brings to around 1.6 million smaller warships.

The whole thing about Palpatine wanting an organized resistance as an excuse to crack down doesn't fit with what we see in TFU. First if he wanted the rebellion as an excuse to crack down he wouldn't have targeted the leadership when he did. Instead he would have waited until they had done some noticeable damage then struck. Second he would have dissolved the Senate and brought the Death Star I online with the demonstration of its power before acting to crush the rebellion's leadership.

Don't try to extract logic from BKL posts, you won't find any~