We haven't seen Mon Mothma or Ackbar yet.

Or Leia.

Leia might not be involved.

If I were Bail, I would be keeping her as far from the rebellion as possible. I would bet that when she does get involved, it will be against her father's wishes - or perhaps after Bail is killed. (We don't know how he dies or when he dies or if he dies, only that he's never seen on screen in the originals, but is around during the prequels. But it's a common reason why people get involved in politics in the real world: They had a relative who was assassinated for their views, so they take up their mantle.) Or maybe she doesn't get involved until immediately prior to A New Hope , Bail giving her the Death Star plans and telling her that there's no one else he can trust to go to Tatooine and recruit Jedi Master General Obi-Wan Kenobi.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/bail-organa

According to SW.com he was on the planet was it was roasted

Yeah, he was clearly alive when the movie started. And then not, later. It's pretty obvious he died on Alderaan.

So Leia was already working for the Alliance while he was still alive.

I want to see how Bail, and eventually Leia, decide to join, if not be part of the founding of, the Alliance.

I'm assuming it WON'T just happen like it did in Force Unleashed again.

/sigh

Alright. Retorts in bold.

TIEs shot down 1 X-wing and took out Vader. That's a net negative.

The Falcon flew in a straight line against 4 ties that did do a little damage to the falcon, which had no trouble flying to Yavinand participating in the battle. So not much. The ties also mostly missed a basically stationary Falcon. In all versions they would open up shooting and only land maybe 1 hit per burst. Maybe. It basically looked like the rebels episode with fewer straif runs

Hoth has been covered in 1 book so far (Lost Stars) and it's covered from both sides. It didn't go well for the Empire. They got nothing. The rebels escaped with minimal losses. The Empire accomplished no goal that the rebels weren't ceding from the start. Rebels goal was to escape with minimal losses and they accomplished that to a tee. The Empire wanted to crush the rebellion and capture command staff. They accomplished 0 goals. The rebels won this engagement tactically and it's only a win in the most mindless way possible, in the end we have Hoth and they don't. The Rebels never tried to keep it.

Endor. It was a disaster for the Empire. They lost a death star and a super star destroyer. Nothing the rebels lost was remotely in that category. On the ground the teddy bears did capture rebel leadership (well, they let themselves be captured), but it was 1 squad and the rebels they captured were almost alone. That was an entire legion of their best troops with armor. The only reading of that is incompetence.

Keep in mind, Leia was a Senator in ANH. So, while she is involved with the Alliance, she isn't doing a lot of on planet missions.

Yeah, he was clearly alive when the movie started. And then not, later. It's pretty obvious he died on Alderaan.

So Leia was already working for the Alliance while he was still alive.

I want to see how Bail, and eventually Leia, decide to join, if not be part of the founding of, the Alliance.

I'm assuming it WON'T just happen like it did in Force Unleashed again.

Leia is still a young teenager when Rebels starts. I figure she won't become active in the rebellion for another two or thre yeas at the earliest. (In Legends Alderaanians were considered adults at 17 which would be season 3 of rebels if they go 1 season equals one year and she would be 18 in season 4.)

And yeah if Starkiller shows up in anything like the role he had in Legends I will scream. Ahoska as a network coordinator and Kanan and Ezra as heroic soldiers I don't mind but I want the core rebellion leaderships to be Force Sensitive free or as close as we can get until Leia comes along. I hate the idea that TFU personified. Namely that in Star Wars non-Force Sensitives can't do anything significant without a Force Sensitive holding their hands and guiding them.

In ANH, if I recall correctly, the tie/ln's shot down 1 X-wing, Vader got the rest. Well, they also took out Vader via incompetence, or maybe Vader would have got them all.

As far as missing the walker, they were about as bad at hitting it as they were at hitting the Falcon as it fled the 1st death star, and there were no Jedi outside blocking shots.

At Hoth they beat a rebel force in full retreat after they blundered in to close to tip them off. Then failed to stop any transports protected by a measly 2 X-wings. All mooks by the way. Then they lost how many star destroyers flying into rocks? Rebels won at Hoth. They lost nothing of importance, escaped, and took out star destroyers. The whole event was a total disaster for the Empire.

At Endor the lost an entire legion of their best troops to a squad of rebels and some care bears. Only one bear died on screen. There may have been injuries, but you only see one death. The space battle above they faired no better. They massively out gunned and out numbered the rebels, lost both a second death star and a super star destroyer to snub fighters and only the death star was able to take out 2 cap ships? Man, that's a **** joke. Even with the shields down they should have crushed the rebels.

The Empire has been completely incompetent since day 1. They never really won an engagement against the rebels in the movies.

Gold Squadron lost all but one fighter, Gold 7. Red Squadron lost all but two fightes, Blue Squadron lost all but 2 fighters. Green Squadron was completely lost. Black Squadron, which is obvously at Squadron numbers, lost all but two pilots. Vader didn't kill 30 plus fighters... Ether way Black Squadron has the highest kill death ratio.

As for Endor your ignoring the parts of the battle that happend off screen. The Rebels % wise lost more fighters, they may have actully lost more fighter numbers wise as well. By the way the fighters involved are about equal size since Mon Cal curisers carry over 100 fighers apeace and the DS2 didn't have a full compliment of fighers if any at all, it used the local SD wings for fighter defence.

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Leia is still a young teenager when Rebels starts.

Sure but...so is half the cast of Rebels.

I expect Leia to be a part of the show after Asohka makes her...exit.

I watched Rebels again today, there were a couple shots, just before Gregor fired the Launcher, that connected with the platform that the Phantom was sitting on. Also, Kanan deflects a shot as he jumps down from the Phantom's roof.

I can, i'll have time to tomorrow but the X-wing being shot down and the 4 TIE's seriously smoking the falcon are ANH.

The Rebels getting roflstomped at hoth, in old canon is automatic pretty much. In new, will need to look.

Actually the TIEs splashed 2 X-Wings over DS1, one on the initial pass and one of Red 1's wingmen (by Backstabber I think) in the trench.

Leia is still a young teenager when Rerbels starts.

Sure but...so is half the cast of Rebels.

Ezra is half the cast? Kanan and Ahoska are both in their very late twenties or early thirties. Hera seems to be in her twenties or the equivalent though I don't think we know her exact age. , Zeb is almost certainly an adult by his people's standards though we on't know how they age so his exact age is unknown. Sabine is probably late teens or early twenties by now since she was through the Imperial Academy or at least part of it before leaving and joining the Ghost crew.

Sabine is 2 years older than Ezra.

We already saw how young they recruit cadets into the Imperial Academy on Lothal. It's possible Sabine was in an academy for years and still be a teen.

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Well, unless Star Wars actually has time dilation effects from all the FTL travel. Then it would be logical that Leia would be younger than Luke, since she's done a lot more interplanetary travel than him.

Of course, that would make it a first for Star Wars to actually make use of real-world physics....

Sabine is 2 years older than Ezra.

Not sure I would count 17 as a young teenager because its more then halfway through the teen period.

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Well, unless Star Wars actually has time dilation effects from all the FTL travel. Then it would be logical that Leia would be younger than Luke, since she's done a lot more interplanetary travel than him.

Of course, that would make it a first for Star Wars to actually make use of real-world physics....

I take it these sources were all pre-Return of the Jedi?

Not sure I would count 17 as a young teenager because its more then halfway through the teen period.

Not sure I'd bother trying to differentiate different divisions of teenager.

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Well, unless Star Wars actually has time dilation effects from all the FTL travel. Then it would be logical that Leia would be younger than Luke, since she's done a lot more interplanetary travel than him.

Of course, that would make it a first for Star Wars to actually make use of real-world physics....

Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL within the limits of your local space-time.

Things like the hyperdrive or Alcubierre drive either move space around you, or move you through a different space ; since the ship isn't technically moving close to C within it's own realspace-bubble/hyperspace-dimension, your time relative to the galaxy at large remains more or less the same.

(Stupid, big, shiny, relativistic space. )

Sabine is 2 years older than Ezra.

Not sure I would count 17 as a young teenager because its more then halfway through the teen period.

Funny, to me the phrase "young teenager" is redundant!

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Well, unless Star Wars actually has time dilation effects from all the FTL travel. Then it would be logical that Leia would be younger than Luke, since she's done a lot more interplanetary travel than him.

Of course, that would make it a first for Star Wars to actually make use of real-world physics....

Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL within the limits of your local space-time.

Things like the hyperdrive or Alcubierre drive either move space around you, or move you through a different space ; since the ship isn't technically moving close to C within it's own realspace-bubble/hyperspace-dimension, your time relative to the galaxy at large remains more or less the same.

(Stupid, big, shiny, relativistic space. )

Time dilation occurs at any speed, actually. Just how much it affects you is a matter of the difference in speed to the reference clock. It's been measured on plane trips, and the entire GPS system has to account for it due to the speed of the satellites.

That said, I really only thought of that due to having just finished reading "The Forever War"

Sabine is 2 years older than Ezra.

Not sure I would count 17 as a young teenager because its more then halfway through the teen period.

Funny, to me the phrase "young teenager" is redundant!

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Well, unless Star Wars actually has time dilation effects from all the FTL travel. Then it would be logical that Leia would be younger than Luke, since she's done a lot more interplanetary travel than him.

Of course, that would make it a first for Star Wars to actually make use of real-world physics....

Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL within the limits of your local space-time.

Things like the hyperdrive or Alcubierre drive either move space around you, or move you through a different space ; since the ship isn't technically moving close to C within it's own realspace-bubble/hyperspace-dimension, your time relative to the galaxy at large remains more or less the same.

(Stupid, big, shiny, relativistic space. )

Time dilation occurs at any speed, actually. Just how much it affects you is a matter of the difference in speed to the reference clock. It's been measured on plane trips, and the entire GPS system has to account for it due to the speed of the satellites.

That said, I really only thought of that due to having just finished reading "The Forever War"

Yes, you're right there; and I know that time dilation is constant and doesn't just kick in at 88 mph.

When I say "Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL within the limits of your local space-time.", what I mean is "S ignificant time dilation only occurs when you are moving at or above 10% C within the limits of your local space-time."

So; while hyperdriving places won't change your frame of reference much, in-system flight at high speed might.

FWs ships still use high-powered realspace drives to get up to collapsar speeds, that's what causes time dilation in Forever War.

"Twelve years before, when I was ten years old, they had discovered the collapsar jump. Just fling an object at a collapsar with sufficient speed, and it pops out in some other part of the galaxy. It didn't take long to figure out the formula that predicted where it would come out: it travels along the same "line" (actually an Einstein geodesic) it would have followed if the collapsar hadn't been in the way - until it reaches another collapsar field, whereupon it reappears, repelled with the same speed at which it approached the original collapsar. Travel time between the two collapsars ... exactly zero."

- The Forever War , by Joe Haldeman .

It's the equivalent of getting up to 88 mph in order to time-jump; except rather than 88 mph we have a fraction of C that is required instead.

Here's some fun tables for time-dilation stuff at "low" speeds. http://www.emc2-explained.info/Time-Dilation-at-Low-Speeds/#.VjmcRvmrTIU

(I'm not sure whether to strangle you for missing the point, or to just be glad that a few people on the internet still read. )

Sabine is 2 years older than Ezra.

Not sure I would count 17 as a young teenager because its more then halfway through the teen period.

Funny, to me the phrase "young teenager" is redundant!

Leia was a senator at 16 per the oldest EU sources, iirc, but then that's all out the window now. Back then she was also younger than Luke by a couple years which is hard to do when they are twins.

Well, unless Star Wars actually has time dilation effects from all the FTL travel. Then it would be logical that Leia would be younger than Luke, since she's done a lot more interplanetary travel than him.

Of course, that would make it a first for Star Wars to actually make use of real-world physics....

Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL within the limits of your local space-time.

Things like the hyperdrive or Alcubierre drive either move space around you, or move you through a different space ; since the ship isn't technically moving close to C within it's own realspace-bubble/hyperspace-dimension, your time relative to the galaxy at large remains more or less the same.

(Stupid, big, shiny, relativistic space. )

Time dilation occurs at any speed, actually. Just how much it affects you is a matter of the difference in speed to the reference clock. It's been measured on plane trips, and the entire GPS system has to account for it due to the speed of the satellites.

That said, I really only thought of that due to having just finished reading "The Forever War"

Yes, you're right there; and I know that time dilation is constant and doesn't just kick in at 88 mph.

When I say "Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL within the limits of your local space-time.", what I mean is "S ignificant time dilation only occurs when you are moving at or above 10% C within the limits of your local space-time."

So; while hyperdriving places won't change your frame of reference much, in-system flight at high speed might.

FWs ships still use high-powered realspace drives to get up to collapsar speeds, that's what causes time dilation in Forever War.

"Twelve years before, when I was ten years old, they had discovered the collapsar jump. Just fling an object at a collapsar with sufficient speed, and it pops out in some other part of the galaxy. It didn't take long to figure out the formula that predicted where it would come out: it travels along the same "line" (actually an Einstein geodesic) it would have followed if the collapsar hadn't been in the way - until it reaches another collapsar field, whereupon it reappears, repelled with the same speed at which it approached the original collapsar. Travel time between the two collapsars ... exactly zero."

- The Forever War , by Joe Haldeman .

It's the equivalent of getting up to 88 mph in order to time-jump; except rather than 88 mph we have a fraction of C that is required instead.

Here's some fun tables for time-dilation stuff at "low" speeds. http://www.emc2-explained.info/Time-Dilation-at-Low-Speeds/#.VjmcRvmrTIU

(I'm not sure whether to strangle you for missing the point, or to just be glad that a few people on the internet still read. )

Eh, I wasn't intending to take it all quite as seriously as you apparently are, or else I would have also pointed out that I've never seen it established for just how fast the ships are supposed to be traveling in hyperspace...

Plus, I couldn't help but nitpick when you stated "Time dilation only occurs when you are moving close to FTL...". The inaccuracy there made me feel compelled to post when I just should have let it go. I just couldn't resist

As for being glad that a few people on the internet still read - eh, I'm old (at least by internet standards). I've been on the internet since before the WWW existed. I'm not sure I count.

So after tonight we are very close to having the Lady Luck canonized.

Some baddie flies off in a ship that looks identical to it. Might not be the same ship, but it's easily the same class of vessel. Also this particular baddie is an acquaintance of Lando. I forget the guy's name, but he's ugly and Lando "sold" Hera to him in season 1.

Hondo was GOAT tier in this episode

Please tell me that Hondo still has his Corona class Armed Frigate from The Clone Wars. That was by far my favorite ship class introduced in the series. And is there even a slim hope remaining of the Rebels recruiting Hondo as a Privateer some day?

So after tonight we are very close to having the Lady Luck canonized.

The SoroSuub 3000 has already been in Clone Wars a few times.