Who says they can't maneuver? They didn't in the trench because there was no room. But as long as they were pointing at the port, there's no reason they couldn't jink back and forth or even corkscrew around the cone and still keep pointing the TC at the port.

Really? Because none of the targeting computers in any of the games work that way. The moment you move your reticle off of your target, you lose your target lock. So no, generally speaking, you CAN'T jink back and forth or corkscrew and maintain your lock, unless your target is also doing those things and you're doing it to keep them lined up in your sights. Which an exhaust port is obviously not doing.

Who says they can't maneuver? They didn't in the trench because there was no room. But as long as they were pointing at the port, there's no reason they couldn't jink back and forth or even corkscrew around the cone and still keep pointing the TC at the port.

Really? Because none of the targeting computers in any of the games work that way. The moment you move your reticle off of your target, you lose your target lock. So no, generally speaking, you CAN'T jink back and forth or corkscrew and maintain your lock, unless your target is also doing those things and you're doing it to keep them lined up in your sights. Which an exhaust port is obviously not doing.

These aren't airplanes, they can move side to side and up and down without deviating from their trajectory. While you couldn't in the games, plenty of fiction described that capability. And honestly planes can do this too to some extent now, it's harder with atmosphere of course. They also just had to be in front of you, not under your reticule. But since you bring the games up, target locks only take a few seconds. Plenty of time to maneuver in close first, the switch deflectors to double front for the target lock portion.

But since you bring the games up, target locks only take a few seconds. Plenty of time to maneuver in close first, the switch deflectors to double front for the target lock portion.

It would be if the targeting computer they use for the exhaust port was the same one they use to target ships with. But it's plainly evident that it isn't.

The best troops are in invasion/assault units.

That is typically true of RL military. The best units are the ones you send in first, and the guys who are acceptable but not outstanding are left behind to guard the fort.

In the run-up to Desert Storm, my father was tasked with leading a squad of Marine and Naval aviation mechanics in defense of an airfield against a group of US Army Rangers in a wargame/exercise. Rangers are about as good as it gets until you're talking SEAL Team 6/DEVGRU or SFOD-D ("Delta Force"). Apart from the basic infantry combat training that all Marines receive as part of their "Every Marine a rifleman" credo (Marines assigned an infantry MOS receive more in depth combat training - with regular refresher training), the av guys didn't have any combat training.

The Rangers did not fare well.

Now, to be entirely fair, it seems that Marines called upon to serve as COs of OPFOR in military exercises and wargames often operate in somewhat unconventional manners - at least compared to how they're expected to behave: He had his av guys borrow the NODs from the aircraft they serviced and the Rangers weren't expecting to encounter an enemy so equipped.

The point being that, in defense and garrison, you do not need Delta Force to do your job competently, even if you are expecting Delta to come knocking.

These aren't airplanes, they can move side to side and up and down without deviating from their trajectory. While you couldn't in the games, plenty of fiction described that capability.

Like strafing in a FPS? Logically a ship in the vacuum of space should be able to do that. But I've never seen it in game, film, or TV show so...*shrug*

They do this in Battlestar Galactica.

More or less. Again, firing laterally isn't a very accurate or effective way of engaging the enemy. Popping a 180 and engaging a target directly "behind" you? Much easier.

They do this in Battlestar Galactica.

More or less. Again, firing laterally isn't a very accurate or effective way of engaging the enemy. Popping a 180 and engaging a target directly "behind" you? Much easier.

It's also really stupid. It looks really cool and seems genius, however the primary issue is how long it takes to pull that 180 and to line up the shot. In that timespan, your pursuer could just as well hit you with their guns.

So you have to be really fast, or they have to be really incompetent. Like those A-Wing Pilots.

Much more practical is a gun that you can face backwards to eliminate pursuers- which in a 3D environment with no real up or down, like space, is much more practical.

Which is something The First Order seems to've learned.

Came to discuss Rebels.

Left with disapointment over people arguing about movies made in the 80s not being acurate

^still better than discussing Rebels

Came to discuss Rebels.

Left with disapointment over people arguing about movies made in the 80s not being acurate

Right? It's been horrendously off topic for PAGES and it's really p**sing me off.

^still better than discussing Rebels

BRUSH YOUR TEETH.

^still better than discussing Rebels

Our subject comes to a thread about Rebels. He then goes on to express how he does not like Rebels. Why do you suppose our subject chose such a course of action?

On topic, I will be interested to see if/when our friendly crew of the Ghost will come back to Lothal. I am glad they have hinted at moving on next season. Mix it up a bit.

Hey I hear there's this new show set a few years before ANH, and some of the OT cast is doing voices for it. Sounds really cool. Some people don't think it does justice to SW though, and think it's juvenile and only fit for Saturday mornings. And appearantly some of the designs are being used from production art from the movies. Awesome stuff. I think I heard Boba Fett will show up sometime too. That will turn some of those other grumpy fans around to liking the show!

I think it's called Droids or something.

Oh wait.

I think I'm a little late to the party. What show are talking about again? Rebels? Never heard of it.

I don't know if I am lookin forward to the appearance of Boba Fett, though. I mean, while he was looking fairly badass in ESB and the start of ROTJ, after that he always became the cosmic chewtoy in any incarnation. He was thrown into the sarlac pit, punched up good by (pre-Jedi) Kyle Katarn, lost his father in AoTC and as a young try-hard thwarted and betrayed over and over again in the Clone Wars (going so far to put him into a box as replacement for the target).

He has a too lacking track record to be considered a badass - compared to other Bounty hunters like Cad Bane or Embo.

And I don't see him changing it if he happens to antagonize the Rebels in the coming season...

He has a too lacking track record to be considered a badass - compared to other Bounty hunters like Cad Bane or Embo.

And I don't see him changing it if he happens to antagonize the Rebels in the coming season...

Dunno why. The show is made by the same people that made Can and Embo. I have faith they can make Boba cool finally, now that they can use him when he's not a kid.

Heck, we might even see Boba taking out Bane and Embo to become the galaxies most feared bounty hunter.

It would be great if we saw a Cygnus XG-1 Star Wing Assault Gunboat, or an Imperial ARC170/Vwing in Rebels...

Kyle Katarn & Operation Skyhook would be wicked cool too.

Kyle Katarn & Operation Skyhook would be wicked cool too.

I don't think Operation Skyhook is going to be canon anymore, since Rogue One is going to be a whole movie about the stealing of the Death Star plans.

So unless one of these guys is Kyle...

Or it was written so that Skyhook had different parts...

Or it was written so that Skyhook had different parts...

I mean, the movie could be ALL about Skyhook for all we know. I'm just saying, it's not going to be in Rebels if they're doing a separate movie about it.

Although you could easily see characters from Rogue One show up in Rebels.

Or it was written so that Skyhook had different parts...

I mean, the movie could be ALL about Skyhook for all we know. I'm just saying, it's not going to be in Rebels if they're doing a separate movie about it.

Although you could easily see characters from Rogue One show up in Rebels.

Actually you totally can.

The only reason you couldn't would be if skyhook only had one moving part. (established false and having many parts in legends canon).

For all you know, the team in Rogue One are doing one bit, Kyle Katarn of iff doing another bit, and Kanan, Ezra, Zeb, Sabine (or whoever has survived till that point) are getting a third bit of death star plan goodness somewhere else.

Open your mind man! Infinite possibilities exist!

I just hope something shows us the space battle that was mentioned as taking place at the time the plans were stolen in A New Hope's open text.

I would hope they don't break the stealing of the Death Star plans into 20 different parts, like it already is in Legends.

As much as I like Kyle as a character, and loved the JK series, and as much as I'd like to see him become a Canon character. I agree with Sithborg, and don't to see a thing where every major and minor character in Star Wars becomes involved with stealing those plans.

Disney and Marvel have done nice tie ins with Marvel's Agents of Shields and the various movies, especially Winter Soldier. I could see some references or slight interplay between Rebels and Rogue One.

Or it was written so that Skyhook had different parts...

I mean, the movie could be ALL about Skyhook for all we know. I'm just saying, it's not going to be in Rebels if they're doing a separate movie about it.

Although you could easily see characters from Rogue One show up in Rebels.

Actually you totally can.

The only reason you couldn't would be if skyhook only had one moving part. (established false and having many parts in legends canon).

For all you know, the team in Rogue One are doing one bit, Kyle Katarn of iff doing another bit, and Kanan, Ezra, Zeb, Sabine (or whoever has survived till that point) are getting a third bit of death star plan goodness somewhere else.

Open your mind man! Infinite possibilities exist!

Needless confusion leading to a convoluted mess.

Listen to the radio drama, the plans had just been stolen with barely enough time to beam them to the Tantive IV. There was no time to smash all these different parts together for one batch of code to be beamed. I doubt the team that stole the plans had any time to even more than glance at the plans, much less manipulate them in any way to coordinate multiple copies. The EU ignored a very strong piece of canon and spread the plans all over creation. It was one set of plans that was stolen, that's it.

Rookie One also blew up the first Death Star, but that sure isn't canon. Why defend the butchering of Skyhook?

I suppose, still, Katarn gotta do something cool!

Even if it's not the plans, but the location of the plans.

**** it, it could even be this talking mushroom dude telling him that he's sorry Katarn, but the plans are in another fortress.

I suppose, still, Katarn gotta do something cool!

Even if it's not the plans, but the location of the plans.

**** it, it could even be this talking mushroom dude telling him that he's sorry Katarn, but the plans are in another fortress.

That's what the Darktroopers are for...