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Vader WANTED them alive. It's like you were not even paying attention.

Exactly. Except for Hera barely being able to trick the star destroyer crew into making a blunder, everything, absolutely every single detail, in that episode progressed according to vader's plan. I honestly don't think I have ever seen a character depicted as a bigger badass than Vader in that episode. It is clear that he is in total control for the entire hour and it is only the shock at discovering that Ahsoka is alive that gives the heroes a chance to escape, and even then it was by the skin of their teeth.

As much as I love Empire and AT-AT's the Battle of Hoth as depicted by the movie was a huge missed opportunity for the Stormtroopers and indeed Vader. Would have been the chance to show them as the deadly force they are supposed to be. instead we see Big stompy walkers rather than stormies carry the day.

Echo base falls really quickly once the Stormtroopers enter the base proper and I am happy to imagine that is as a result of the fact they outclass their rebel opponents. Much as they do storming the breach on the Tantive at the start of the saga. That is how I have the Stromtroopers in my mind. Unflinching assault and terror troops. It's a shame we don't see them or Vader actually do anything of note in the film portrayal of the battle.

As others have pointed out, the main 'Stormtroopers school of shooting' scenes are actually part of larger plans that should be attributed to Vader. I think Vader would have been pissed if the heroes had failed to escape the first Death Star, after all at this point his main goal is the location of the Rebel base and the death of Obi wan. He is as yet unaware of Luke and in the big picture Han and Chewie are irrelevant whilst Leia escaping is an acceptable trade off. In fact necessary to increase the chance the fleeing Falcon will even head to the Rebel base. Stormtroopers appear incompetent but are in fact following orders.

By Cloud City of course the focus is on Luke. The Stormtroopers are dispersed across the city and without Lando's surprising (to the Empire and Vader who believe they have firm grip of him) intervention the operation would have been a success. Luke is indeed dropped into the freezing chamber and the rest of the heroes captured. Chewie and friends managing to escape is thestormtroopers first real failure in the OT in my opinion but has mitigating circumstances. Luke surprises Vader with his natural aptitude and ability. This should be forgivable as Luke was barely trained by anyone's standards. Never the less Vader is much too strong for Luke and it is only a desperate/suicidal throw of the dice that sees Luke escape.

Jedi sees the Strormtroopers succeed in capturing the rebel strike force on Endor despite no Vader or other antihero around to help. Ok then Ewoks happen... I'm not even going to try and justify that in universe but if they had been escaped/rescued wookie slaves instead, it would have made a whole lot more sense. Stupid ewoks.

Siege of Lothal progresses exactly to Vaders plans. We see him rely on his own piloting ability to have the rebels in serious trouble and it's only a combination of arrogance (why no overwhelming force brought to bear? - probably thinks he doesn't need it) and flunky incompetence that sees the rebels escape but barely.

Now remember these are programs and films where most people root for the good guys and a certain amount of plot armour is needed to prevent very short films etc... I don't think it's handled too badly. I do hope rebels stays clear of Vader as a direct antagonist for a while now. He only needs to show back up when it's time for someone to leave the series for good or to put the good guys in serious peril. I really don't want to see multiple 'dammit they escaped at the last second' moments with the dark lord involved as that would weaken what I think has been good work with him so far.

Don't let their appearance fool you, Ewoks are vicious bastards.

Remember, they were going to /cook and eat/ the Endor party, and there's evidence that they're cannibalistic on top of that. They're also clever enough to manage some decent engineering feats.

He should of stuck with wookies over ewoks but alas no.

return is still my favourite the space battle, Luke's fight against Vader, jabbas palace those can't be ruined by ewoks.

@Wilhelm Screamer: your sig might have too many ships in that list, even for epic. CR A-wings are still 15 points. Clean it up man! There's no need to buy that many!

Oh. Wait. I get it now.

Don't let their appearance fool you, Ewoks are vicious bastards.

Remember, they were going to /cook and eat/ the Endor party, and there's evidence that they're cannibalistic on top of that. They're also clever enough to manage some decent engineering feats.

I just realized what they ate at the teddy bear party after DS2 was destroyed.....

THE EMPIRES GROUND FORCES.

FFG would never try to appeal to younger audiences with this cartoon crap.

Oh wait....

LOVE the Ghost concept, hope it plays well.

Decided to give Rebels a final chance. "Siege of Lothal" or smth.

Here comes Vader, single-highhandedly owning a squadron of A-wing and a corvette. No that is a Sith Lord we deserved, then, suddenly when faced against the main heroes he fails to hit ship the size of a barn.

Let's do a recap, first He destroys with pin-point accuracy nimble A-wings and than fails against ship that spins, slowly I may add.

So yeah. It's just sad

Exactly! He's so much better at killing main characters in the movies. There isn't a single time he murders an entire squad of x-wings single handedly and then inexplicably can't hit a main character in a ship moving in a straight line for an unbelievably extended period of time only to be stopped from killing him at the last moment when some imperial "ace" does the most boneheaded maneuver possible and crashes into his ship. Never happens.

Well, maybe in a prequel or something, but certainly not one of the holy trilogy.

The original trilogy is so dark it's littered with the corpses of main characters. Like 'old mentor cliche' who never always dies in epic tales, they certainly wouldn't use that same cliche TWICE. Or 'heroes surrogate parents cliche' who never die to motivate hero to go explore the world. Don't forget 'childhood friend cliche' who almost never dies in any climactic battle so our hero can feel loss.

Best satire post ever.

Yeah but let's look at it this way luke loses a hand, Han gets frozen in carbinite, Leia gets enslaved, Ben Kenobi gets cut in two, Leia gets a gut shot.

You may not lose the main cast but they don't get away from encounters unscathed do they.

None main characters get slaughtered in the opening of hope and the deathstar run, same with hoth, the rebel ground forces fail hard in Jedi and plenty die in space.

Then you have rebels season two opening fight the rebels lose no one while slaughtering the empires forces it's so one sided the a-wings don't even get scratched.

The empire is not completely ineffectual in the OT quite the opposite you buy them as a threat but in rebels it's just sad how much like the keystone cops they act.

My 10 yr old son told me he likes the episodes with the politics in it better than some of the war episodes.

Then you have a bad son and it's probably your fault.

I have a bad son because he's not a hater and actually enjoys something? I believe you are wrong.

I have a bad son because he's not a hater and actually enjoys something? I believe you are wrong.

That's what all parents believe about their bad kids.

Decided to give Rebels a final chance. "Siege of Lothal" or smth.

Here comes Vader, single-highhandedly owning a squadron of A-wing and a corvette. No that is a Sith Lord we deserved, then, suddenly when faced against the main heroes he fails to hit ship the size of a barn.

Let's do a recap, first He destroys with pin-point accuracy nimble A-wings and than fails against ship that spins, slowly I may add.

So yeah. It's just sad

Exactly! He's so much better at killing main characters in the movies. There isn't a single time he murders an entire squad of x-wings single handedly and then inexplicably can't hit a main character in a ship moving in a straight line for an unbelievably extended period of time only to be stopped from killing him at the last moment when some imperial "ace" does the most boneheaded maneuver possible and crashes into his ship. Never happens.

Well, maybe in a prequel or something, but certainly not one of the holy trilogy.

The original trilogy is so dark it's littered with the corpses of main characters. Like 'old mentor cliche' who never always dies in epic tales, they certainly wouldn't use that same cliche TWICE. Or 'heroes surrogate parents cliche' who never die to motivate hero to go explore the world. Don't forget 'childhood friend cliche' who almost never dies in any climactic battle so our hero can feel loss.

I don't think you've ever actually watched any star wars movies ever.

The more I read these forums the more I'm sure this is true.

Yeah but let's look at it this way luke loses a hand, Han gets frozen in carbinite, Leia gets enslaved, Ben Kenobi gets cut in two, Leia gets a gut shot.

You may not lose the main cast but they don't get away from encounters unscathed do they.

None main characters get slaughtered in the opening of hope and the deathstar run, same with hoth, the rebel ground forces fail hard in Jedi and plenty die in space.

Then you have rebels season two opening fight the rebels lose no one while slaughtering the empires forces it's so one sided the a-wings don't even get scratched.

The empire is not completely ineffectual in the OT quite the opposite you buy them as a threat but in rebels it's just sad how much like the keystone cops they act.

Good guy Purple Heart count down OT:

R2 shot by jawas

3PO looses arm and gets dent in his head during Sand people attack.

Luke gets concussion in same attack

Luke is almost drowned and eaten in trash compactor (this will be a trend)

R2 shot again by Darth Vader (badly damaged)

Luke gets his X-wing shot twice, no pilot injury though.

Luke is almost eaten by Wampa, badly scarred

R2 eaten and spit out by dagobah dragon-snake

Han tortured, beaten and frozen in carbonite

Luke dismembered.

(Leia tortured off screen in the first two movies)

Oh and 3po shot to pieces.

Luke almost eaten by Rancor

Chewie hit by blaster fire

3po almost loses eye to a monkey-lizard

Luke shot (his robot hand)

Han, Chewie and Luke almost eaten by Ewoks after almost being earn by Sarlaac

Leia shot

R2 shot (yet again)

Luke electrocuted/tortured

Just off the top of my head.

The Galaxy is a dangerous place. Even without Stormtroopers shooting acurately

Decided to give Rebels a final chance. "Siege of Lothal" or smth.

Here comes Vader, single-highhandedly owning a squadron of A-wing and a corvette. No that is a Sith Lord we deserved, then, suddenly when faced against the main heroes he fails to hit ship the size of a barn.

Let's do a recap, first He destroys with pin-point accuracy nimble A-wings and than fails against ship that spins, slowly I may add.

So yeah. It's just sad

Exactly! He's so much better at killing main characters in the movies. There isn't a single time he murders an entire squad of x-wings single handedly and then inexplicably can't hit a main character in a ship moving in a straight line for an unbelievably extended period of time only to be stopped from killing him at the last moment when some imperial "ace" does the most boneheaded maneuver possible and crashes into his ship. Never happens.

Well, maybe in a prequel or something, but certainly not one of the holy trilogy.

The original trilogy is so dark it's littered with the corpses of main characters. Like 'old mentor cliche' who never always dies in epic tales, they certainly wouldn't use that same cliche TWICE. Or 'heroes surrogate parents cliche' who never die to motivate hero to go explore the world. Don't forget 'childhood friend cliche' who almost never dies in any climactic battle so our hero can feel loss.

What Vader does, or goes through, in the OT is nothing like this TV show. He kills main characters he wants too kill, he lets one live that are of no threat to him or the Empire, alone at least, and he can't kill Luke because of his emotional attachment to him since he is his son and last living connection he has to his dead Wife.

The reason Luke didn't die in the DS trench run was because his craft put out enough ecm signals to keep Vader from getting a true electronic lock-on with his cannons. The force was also on his side, with Ben very likely, through the force, interfering with Vaders targeting computer and possible force attunement. He "could" have tried and fire the cannon without computer assetaints but then he still has the issue with ECM countermeasures interfering with the Beam.

DS-61-2 wasn't a "Bone Head" he reacted to being attacked from behind, he was just in a bad situation since his enemy had him in his sights and was above him. He had very few places too go.

As for you "cliche" jab, take in mind when these movies were made the things written in them weren't really cliches since they weren't done / written as often as those elements are now in other stories.

Vader WANTED them alive. It's like you were not even paying attention.

Which is one of the reasons why Derp Vader is incompetent. They made it clear in ep 3, all Jedi were to be hunted down, keeping important Proto Alliance member alive is one thing, keeping Force using ones alive is stupid, as Mace Windu once said "He is to dangerous to keep alive," thus are Jedi and anti-sith Force users to dangerous to keep alive when the Sith are the ones ruining the Galaxy. Derp Vader is incompetent for flying to close to an area where he could end up being effected by friendly fire, which is what happened in the Rebels season 2 movie. He flew near where his enemies were going to be tractor beamed and got caught himself.

This situation is much different than what happened in the trench run, in the trench run he couldn't get a true electronic lock-on Luke. Firing without computer assisted targeting wouldn't help ether since the ECM countermeasures on a X-Wing can still screw with the beams fired from enemies at them.

-snipped for dross-

Never make this post again.

Yeah they made Vader Incompetent as all hell in that story. If they wanted to make him looking good they should have had him quickly kill any main character he encountered. If they wanted an epic fight scene that shows off the growing power of the Darkside within the Empire, but have the heros still live because of believeable reasons, they should of had them fight an Imperial Shadow Guard.

Hell Vader should be called "Derp Vader" from here on out.

IMP Officer: What are your orders Lord Vader?

(Vader makes a dramatic pose)

Derp Vader: MEOW!

(The SD bridge crew looks to each other in terror, some even droping their equipment)

Derp Vader: MEOW MEOW, MEEEEEEOOOW!

IMP Officer: (Oh Dear he will DESTROY US ALL!) Yes... Vader...? @_@

Derp Vader: Meow Meowmeow meow MEROAR!

(Takes helmet off)

Derpy Vader: Sorryz my helmet voice box IS a littile Broken hehe. I wanted the lemon twist surprise muffin behind that oficer over by that tech. Dont worry I will get it myself XD.

IMP Officer: Oh you just wanted a muffin? ha ha haha @_@

(The Imp tech lifts into the air while screaming, a loud crunching sound is heard., the crew is terrified agian)

Derp Vader: Sorryz, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG?!

(Derp Vader walks over to the muffin and devours it, crumbs flying everwhere.)

Derp Vader: NUM NUM NUM NUM NUM XD

Decided to give Rebels a final chance. "Siege of Lothal" or smth.

Here comes Vader, single-highhandedly owning a squadron of A-wing and a corvette. No that is a Sith Lord we deserved, then, suddenly when faced against the main heroes he fails to hit ship the size of a barn.

Let's do a recap, first He destroys with pin-point accuracy nimble A-wings and than fails against ship that spins, slowly I may add.

So yeah. It's just sad

Yeah I gave the show a second chance and watched the siege it just confirmed my original opinion it's a show for very young kids and there's nothing there for me.

Watching Vader take out those rebels just makes the rest of the empire look so utterly pathetic there's no way you can consider them a viable threat to anyone let alone an entire galaxy.

If it makes any diffrence it says in a book that the IMP NAVAL Pilots have lost their edge because of lack of fighting. Same is more than likely true for Army and Stormy forces. If you want a refrence I will send it to you in a PM. As it is though I dont enjoy watching these Squadrons, Wings, Battalions from these stories, more so because I / we know there more elite / ready IMP forces out their like, Alpha Squadron, 181st, 128th, Avenger Squadron, 501st, and everyone who is part of Death Squadron & DS2.

-snipped for dross-

Never make this post again.

Yeah they made Vader Incompetent as all hell in that story. If they wanted to make him looking good they should have had him quickly kill any main character he encountered. If they wanted an epic fight scene that shows off the growing power of the Darkside within the Empire, but have the heros still live because of believeable reasons, they should of had them fight an Imperial Shadow Guard.

Hell Vader should be called "Derp Vader" from here on out.

IMP Officer: What are your orders Lord Vader?

(Vader makes a dramatic pose)

Derp Vader: MEOW!

(The SD bridge crew looks to each other in terror, some even droping their equipment)

Derp Vader: MEOW MEOW, MEEEEEEOOOW!

IMP Officer: (Oh Dear he will DESTROY US ALL!) Yes... Vader...? @_@

Derp Vader: Meow Meowmeow meow MEROAR!

(Takes helmet off)

Derpy Vader: Sorryz my helmet voice box IS a littile Broken hehe. I wanted the lemon twist surprise muffin behind that oficer over by that tech. Dont worry I will get it myself XD.

IMP Officer: Oh you just wanted a muffin? ha ha haha @_@

(The Imp tech lifts into the air while screaming, a loud crunching sound is heard., the crew is terrified agian)

Derp Vader: Sorryz, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG?!

(Derp Vader walks over to the muffin and devours it, crumbs flying everwhere.)

Derp Vader: NUM NUM NUM NUM NUM XD

Decided to give Rebels a final chance. "Siege of Lothal" or smth.

Here comes Vader, single-highhandedly owning a squadron of A-wing and a corvette. No that is a Sith Lord we deserved, then, suddenly when faced against the main heroes he fails to hit ship the size of a barn.

Let's do a recap, first He destroys with pin-point accuracy nimble A-wings and than fails against ship that spins, slowly I may add.

So yeah. It's just sad

Yeah I gave the show a second chance and watched the siege it just confirmed my original opinion it's a show for very young kids and there's nothing there for me.

Watching Vader take out those rebels just makes the rest of the empire look so utterly pathetic there's no way you can consider them a viable threat to anyone let alone an entire galaxy.

If it makes any diffrence it says in a book that the IMP NAVAL Pilots have lost their edge because of lack of fighting. Same is more than likely true for Army and Stormy forces. If you want a refrence I will send it to you in a PM. As it is though I dont enjoy watching these Squadrons, Wings, Battalions from these stories, more so because I / we know there more elite / ready IMP forces out their like, Alpha Squadron, 181st, 128th, Avenger Squadron, 501st, and everyone who is part of Death Squadron & DS2.

So if a member of isis walked up to a texas reservist who'd never seen combat and just tossed him a live grenade said reservist would just stand there with a dumb look on his face?

See i think he'd A) throw it as far away as possible 2) drop it and run like hell or throw it back at the terrorist.

You don't need to be a hardened veteran to avoid the stupid things these stormtroopers do.

Yeah pretty sure Vader had an actual target lock when he started firing on Luke in the trench. "I have you now" and all. And the graphics showing the target lock.

But you might have a case that Ben was interfering with Vader's shooting at least when he was targeting Luke.

At any rate being rammed by his own wingman does not make either Vader or his wingman look very good. Up to that point, sure they were badass as all get out, but one tramp freighter got the best of them. Sounds like 'a lack of vision' to focus only on the trench bombers.

Hmmmmmmmm, suspension of disbelief? I've seen LOTS of american action movies were the villain(s) played the villain ball waaaaaaaay harder than the main antagonists did in the OT.

I have a bad son because he's not a hater and actually enjoys something? I believe you are wrong.

That's what all parents believe about their bad kids.

You crossed a line. Don't bad mouth my parenting ability or my kid. You, sir, are reported.

And Black Knight Leader is thrown into the Pit of Ignoringness.

I am pretty tired of reading your continuous Troll-droppings.

Cheers.

Vader WANTED them alive. It's like you were not even paying attention.

People looking for reasons to b**ch tend to not pay attention.

And Black Knight Leader is thrown into the Pit of Ignoringness.

I am pretty tired of reading your continuous Troll-droppings.

Cheers.

Is there an ignore function here? I haven't been able to find it yet.

And Black Knight Leader is thrown into the Pit of Ignoringness.

I am pretty tired of reading your continuous Troll-droppings.

Cheers.

Is there an ignore function here? I haven't been able to find it yet.

Yes, but it isn't the most intuitive. You have to go to "edit my profile" and there will be a "Ignore preferences" tab. Then you have to manually put in the user's name that you want to ignore.

I much prefere the white bars at the top of this page to the walls of text.