I feel like I need to catch up since about half the season 2 cast looks to be Clone Wars leftovers.

Yes, ashoka and rex, and then another clone in that first picture appears to be like, the clone that dave filloni liked. i think thats it. i cant remember the clones name tho.

Rex, Wolffe, Gregor. All had quite some interesting arcs going on then.

I am more than disappointed with the season 2 movie, it pisses me off alot actually. They never should have had Darth Vader fight the main characters unless the writters had Vader kill them. Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent. In Return of the Jedi and The Force Unleashed we at least know Vader was being screwed with by Sidious because Sidious was using the Force to cloud Vaders mind, making him not fight at his full capabilities. In SWTFU2 Vader lost on purpose so he would be taken captive to the main Rebel Alliance fleet, he than would have butchered the Alliance Command. Just in case Clone 11XX actully did turn to the Darkside and try and kill Vader instead of capturing him, Vader had Boba Fett and the Dark Clone standing by ready to kill Clone 11XX if things didnt go to plan.

Unless they show a good reason why Vader didnt kill the two Jedi main characters of the show, like the examples above, he ends up looking as stupid as the movie monsters you see that miss their prey because they are moving to slow to catch them. The T.R.I.P T-800 in Terminator 4 as well as the T-1000 at the end of T2 suffer from very simulair issues I am talking about involving Darth Vader.

Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent.

Clearly you weren't paying attention when you watched it because Vader was far, far from incompetent in that show. In fact this was the most powerful Vader I've seen. The only reason they survived was because Vader let them, that much is made very clear after the fact. He let them escape so he could track them back to the rebel fleet. Which he then single handed destroyed as a fighting force.

At no point in the whole show was Vader ever actually at risk of losing the fight, he had them outclassed so much it was like watching a 5th grader take on a heavy weight boxer.

I am more than disappointed with the season 2 movie, it pisses me off alot actually. They never should have had Darth Vader fight the main characters unless the writters had Vader kill them. Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent. In Return of the Jedi and The Force Unleashed we at least know Vader was being screwed with by Sidious because Sidious was using the Force to cloud Vaders mind, making him not fight at his full capabilities. In SWTFU2 Vader lost on purpose so he would be taken captive to the main Rebel Alliance fleet, he than would have butchered the Alliance Command. Just in case Clone 11XX actully did turn to the Darkside and try and kill Vader instead of capturing him, Vader had Boba Fett and the Dark Clone standing by ready to kill Clone 11XX if things didnt go to plan.

Unless they show a good reason why Vader didnt kill the two Jedi main characters of the show, like the examples above, he ends up looking as stupid as the movie monsters you see that miss their prey because they are moving to slow to catch them. The T.R.I.P T-800 in Terminator 4 as well as the T-1000 at the end of T2 suffer from very simulair issues I am talking about involving Darth Vader.

When in RoTJ is it ever said that Palpatine was messing with Vader? I don't recall ever hearing / seeing anything like that

When in RoTJ is it ever said that Palpatine was messing with Vader? I don't recall ever hearing / seeing anything like that

The very idea goes completely against Sith philosophy really. The Sith have always been about survival of the fittest, and might makes right. If Luke wasn't powerful enough to kill Vader on his own, then he clearly wouldn't be worthy of being the Emperors apprentice.

But considering the source...

Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent.

Clearly you weren't paying attention when you watched it because Vader was far, far from incompetent in that show. In fact this was the most powerful Vader I've seen. The only reason they survived was because Vader let them, that much is made very clear after the fact. He let them escape so he could track them back to the rebel fleet. Which he then single handed destroyed as a fighting force.At no point in the whole show was Vader ever actually at risk of losing the fight, he had them outclassed so much it was like watching a 5th grader take on a heavy weight boxer.

Agree completely. Vader in that episode was about the biggest badass I have ever seen on film. In every respect. Hand to hand combat, piloting skill, command of underlings, Machiavellian machinations.

Alright. Palpatine and a couple non-SW characters probable have him beat in the political scheming arena, but he's still up there.

Agree completely. Vader in that episode was about the biggest badass I have ever seen on film. In every respect. Hand to hand combat, piloting skill, command of underlings, Machiavellian machinations.

Yeah to be honest that was one of the few times I think I saw a Vader that actually lived up to the hype. There was never a single moment when he was fighting Kanan and Ezra that, you ever thought 'hmm maybe they might win'. He was clearly playing with them the whole fight, and they knew they were screwed.

Kanan's one and only goal in that fight was to distract Vader long enough to let the crew get away before he was killed, and even that was questionable.

Then what Vader did in the Tie Advanced, was the first time I've ever seen him actually do something to earn the title 'best pilot in the galaxy'

Even then, it seems the only reason he left what was left of the rebel fleet, was because he felt Asoka and that seemed to have spooked him or something.

I am more than disappointed with the season 2 movie, it pisses me off alot actually. They never should have had Darth Vader fight the main characters unless the writters had Vader kill them. Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent. In Return of the Jedi and The Force Unleashed we at least know Vader was being screwed with by Sidious because Sidious was using the Force to cloud Vaders mind, making him not fight at his full capabilities. In SWTFU2 Vader lost on purpose so he would be taken captive to the main Rebel Alliance fleet, he than would have butchered the Alliance Command. Just in case Clone 11XX actully did turn to the Darkside and try and kill Vader instead of capturing him, Vader had Boba Fett and the Dark Clone standing by ready to kill Clone 11XX if things didnt go to plan.

Unless they show a good reason why Vader didnt kill the two Jedi main characters of the show, like the examples above, he ends up looking as stupid as the movie monsters you see that miss their prey because they are moving to slow to catch them. The T.R.I.P T-800 in Terminator 4 as well as the T-1000 at the end of T2 suffer from very simulair issues I am talking about involving Darth Vader.

When in RoTJ is it ever said that Palpatine was messing with Vader? I don't recall ever hearing / seeing anything like that

Its not talked about in the movie, I got this info from ether a SW Insider q&a and a source book. In SWTFU this ability I am talking about was used by Sidious on clone 1138. You read about it in the SWTFU novel. Its in the pages detailing his fight with Vader and Sidious. I know Luke was also effected by this ability although Vader was the real tiping point in being the cause of Luke falling to the Darkside. It would effect him till the events of the Dark Empire story arc were resolved. JFYI Dark Empire was refrenced in the Tarkin novel.

Speaking of which, we know from many sources, inculiding Dark Empire, that Sidious creates exploitable weaknesses in his weapons or tools that only knows about most the time. He does this so if he needs to dispose of them he can do it easily. Dispite doing this with Vader their is still a great risk Vader can and will kill him, Sidious. Vader was too bring ballance to the force. Nothing Sidious could do to change the future could stop Vader from killing Sidious. Sidious was desprite to have Vader killed after his usefulness was gone. In case you were wondering why Sidious would interfear with battle between Vader and a possible replacement, the above reason is why. Vader isnt just a threat to his master but to the Sith as a whole.

Even after Sidious came back more powerful than ever, Dark Empire, the damage Sidious was afraid Vader would do had been done. The Force was in ballance at that point and the Sith / Darkside was never as powerful as it was as a whole after Vader killed Sidious. In doing so Vader brought true a dream he had as a boy. He dreamed he would free the slaves, which he did. Lots of people who were froced too be IMPs were freed as well as lots slaves under the Empire.

Like I said the season 2 movie makes Vader look stupid if they wanted him too look good they should have had him kill the Jedi main characters he fought, or if the wanted the main characters to survive, they should have had them fight someone NOT DARTH VADER.

Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent.

Clearly you weren't paying attention when you watched it because Vader was far, far from incompetent in that show. In fact this was the most powerful Vader I've seen. The only reason they survived was because Vader let them, that much is made very clear after the fact. He let them escape so he could track them back to the rebel fleet. Which he then single handed destroyed as a fighting force.At no point in the whole show was Vader ever actually at risk of losing the fight, he had them outclassed so much it was like watching a 5th grader take on a heavy weight boxer.

Agree completely. Vader in that episode was about the biggest badass I have ever seen on film. In every respect. Hand to hand combat, piloting skill, command of underlings, Machiavellian machinations.

Alright. Palpatine and a couple non-SW characters probable have him beat in the political scheming arena, but he's still up there.

And the Main characters he battled with are still alive correct? Theirs no excuse for them surviving their encounter with Vader. They were not essential to keep alive to carry out his plan to find the proto Rebel Alliance fleet.

Speaking of the Proto Rebel Alliance fleet his conflict in space also makes him look incompetent. The fight looked "Ok" for awhile till he was caught by his own Cap ship tractor beams.

Vader: Diiir I think I will fly close to my own Cap ships tractor beams area of effect so can finish off my enemies. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Zap

Vader: Diir I got caught by my own tractor beams, I didnt see that coming even though I actully should have since I have a power that lets me see the future and avoid danger when I let it flow through me. DERPY DERPY DERPY!!!

SW Rebels rendition of Darth Vader brought to you by the Universally Stupid Supreme.

Since they survived a fight with Darth Vader, that makes Vader look incompetent.

Clearly you weren't paying attention when you watched it because Vader was far, far from incompetent in that show. In fact this was the most powerful Vader I've seen. The only reason they survived was because Vader let them, that much is made very clear after the fact. He let them escape so he could track them back to the rebel fleet. Which he then single handed destroyed as a fighting force.At no point in the whole show was Vader ever actually at risk of losing the fight, he had them outclassed so much it was like watching a 5th grader take on a heavy weight boxer.

Agree completely. Vader in that episode was about the biggest badass I have ever seen on film. In every respect. Hand to hand combat, piloting skill, command of underlings, Machiavellian machinations.

Alright. Palpatine and a couple non-SW characters probable have him beat in the political scheming arena, but he's still up there.

And the Main characters he battled with are still alive correct? Theirs no excuse for them surviving their encounter with Vader. They were not essential to keep alive to carry out his plan to find the proto Rebel Alliance fleet.

Vader was probably hoping other Jedi would be ferreted out by letting Kanan and the kid escape. After all, it worked, because now he knows Asoka lives, and is part of the rebellion. If it wasn't for luck/the force/incompetent underlings Vader would have had three force sensitive prisoners to do with what he and the empire do...make more dark side desciples.

Oh and plot armor.

Apparently a Jedi being caught is a much bigger prize than a fledgling rebel command ship.

He also drove the Ghost towards the Star Destroyers. If he wouldn't have done so, the Ghost could have flown freely anywhere BUT not towards the Destroyers.

No derpediderp here, at least not the way I felt it.

Apart from that, every mission objective of the Empire was achieved. Lothal is definitely in the hands of the Empire, with the rebels having lost their general support on the planet. Tarkin got an-eye-for-an-eye with the destruction of the rebel capital ship. And as a BONUS Ashoka Tano was discovered.

I call that a clear win for Vader and the Empire...!

I'd advise against responding to BKL posts, you might as well drink heavily if you want to kill brain cells.

Apparently a Jedi being caught is a much bigger prize than a fledgling rebel command ship.

He also drove the Ghost towards the Star Destroyers. If he wouldn't have done so, the Ghost could have flown freely anywhere BUT not towards the Destroyers.

No derpediderp here, at least not the way I felt it.

Apart from that, every mission objective of the Empire was achieved. Lothal is definitely in the hands of the Empire, with the rebels having lost their general support on the planet. Tarkin got an-eye-for-an-eye with the destruction of the rebel capital ship. And as a BONUS Ashoka Tano was discovered.

I call that a clear win for Vader and the Empire...!

Yeah just because the heroes escaped does not mean that the Rebels won or the Empire lost see the Battle of Hoth for an OT example.

Well that'd confirm prequel vessels for XWMG at the very least.

Actually, that would confirm TCW ships for X-wing, which since we already have a TCW pilot, I wouldn't be surprised.

TCW is prequel era.

Yes, but there is a difference between PT ships and TCW ships.

Friggin' how? I swear, anti-PT will pull just about every straw.

1st Off, I love the PT. That said, the e.g. Gauntlet is not a PT ship. Did it appear in the PT? It might confirm PT era ships, but it wouldn't confirm PT ships themselves.

All Squares are Rectangles, but Vice-Versa simply does not work.

Then what Vader did in the Tie Advanced, was the first time I've ever seen him actually do something to earn the title 'best pilot in the galaxy'

Bbbbbut Wedge is the best pilot in the galaxy!

Then what Vader did in the Tie Advanced, was the first time I've ever seen him actually do something to earn the title 'best pilot in the galaxy'

Bbbbbut Wedge is the best pilot in the galaxy!

Wedge is lucky that Vader didn't leave him as a carbon smear across the hull of the Death Star.

Then what Vader did in the Tie Advanced, was the first time I've ever seen him actually do something to earn the title 'best pilot in the galaxy'

Bbbbbut Wedge is the best pilot in the galaxy!

Wedge is lucky that Vader didn't leave him as a carbon smear across the hull of the Death Star.

Nah, Vader screwed up the shot.

Just finished watching Season 1 and the Siege of Lothal. Just saying, I am not reading through 20 pages of conversation...

The two things that I liked about the show were that A) when Vader finally does something, he is a bad ass. Through and through. And B) they do a good job of making the rebels look like the terrorist rebel scum they are.

I hate when people who don't know the meaning of the word terrorist just randomly throw it out. Though I suppose he is just using the definition used by many governments. Namely that a terrorist is anyone who fights against their government who isn't part of another government's military is a terrorist.

I hate when people who don't know the meaning of the word terrorist just randomly throw it out. Though I suppose he is just using the definition used by many governments. Namely that a terrorist is anyone who fights against their government who isn't part of another government's military is a terrorist.

There's a whole bunch of Imperial apologists floating around who seem to genuinely believe the Empire dindu nothing wrong, it's most effective to just not acknowledge them because they will never be right.

Sigh... empire WAS corrupt and ineffective, that one is correct. BUT New republic was also Corrupt and Ineffective In the whole Star Wars universe there are no Good sides. Jedi Lie, mindfuq everyone who doesnt bend to their will, create private armies outside of any form of control - how is that in any way good ?. At least Sith dont lie about it, they say it plain and simple Im the boss youre fuqed now bow down or die.

This was a government with an OFFICIAL doctrine of terror, direct brutalization of the governed, and omnicide.

"Fear will keep the local systems in line" That is right out of the pages of hardcore facism.

Sigh... empire WAS corrupt and ineffective, that one is correct. BUT New republic was also Corrupt and Ineffective In the whole Star Wars universe there are no Good sides. Jedi Lie, mindfuq everyone who doesnt bend to their will, create private armies outside of any form of control - how is that in any way good ?. At least Sith dont lie about it, they say it plain and simple Im the boss youre fuqed now bow down or die.

The republic only started to fail under the intentional machination of palpatine. There was commerce culture and peace. Disputes have were able to be settled with diplomacy. An order of peace keepers was thrust into war because they could allow the situation to devolve further.

The sith feast off hate and suffering. They seek nothing less than ruination.

Sigh... empire WAS corrupt and ineffective, that one is correct. BUT New republic was also Corrupt and Ineffective In the whole Star Wars universe there are no Good sides. Jedi Lie, mindfuq everyone who doesnt bend to their will, create private armies outside of any form of control - how is that in any way good ?. At least Sith dont lie about it, they say it plain and simple Im the boss youre fuqed now bow down or die.

Right because the Jedi were running around blowing up planets they were duty bound to protect at any cost including their own lives. Oh wait that was one of the Empire's highest ranking officials wasn't it?

Crowd-control through propaganda-media. Regular draft which grants you sort of education, a gigantic military machine roaming every part of the setting it can reach, blowing other peoples stuff up to protect the safety of its own people, while trying to employ their idea of the ideal way of living to outsiders.

From a certain point of view some people could consider them to be the good guys, who do, what needs to be done...