See, I've got this long running idea that Yoda is always wrong. Yoda wanted Luke to hold off on fighting Vader, until Luke was ready to kill Vader. Yoda was wrong to want that waiting period.

By going to Bespin, Luke learned that Vader was his father. He saved his Sister, and was able to gather new allies for the struggle.

Had Luke not gone to Bespin, he would not have been able to separate Anikan Skywalker from Darth Vader. And being able to separate them was the key to the defeat of the Sith and the Unity of the Force.

So: Yoda was wrong. And Anikan's last words were basically to tell Luke that "you were right". Because Yoda was wrong.

Luke going to bespin had no impact at all on the fate of leia, Chewie, threepio or Han there. Lando was already determined to rescue them and bug out.

Luke getting his hand cut off was fortuitous though.

I have always focused on the fact that neither yoda nor obi-wan say Luke has to kill vader. They keep saying he has to "confront" or "face" him and Luke jumps to the conclusion that that means "kill". Of course, they also don't correct him when he says kill. I've always found that significant.

My thoughts on this are simple:

The Jedi are capable of a certain level of precognition, even when the Force is clouded by the Dark Side.

While Obi-Wan and Yoda might be disillusioned with the 'Chosen One' prophecy, they may have come across some scraps of the prophecy with more details - details that might specify that a child of the Chosen One (probably written in such a manner as to make it appear that the Chosen One is the child of a False Chosen One), as a fully-trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as their ally may be the key to completing the prophecy in its fullness. Scraps of the prophecy that Palpatine may not be aware of or may be too arrogant to believe in (or he might think that they're a big lie invented by the surviving Jedi as part of a psyop against him and he won't be so easily fooled).

Considering that the familial ties between Anakin and Luke are what helped push Vader away from the Dark Side, a prophecy that only one of his kids can push him back to the Light Side. They must also be strong enough in the Force to resist the Dark Side and not succumb to the same failings as their father. Therefore, it does not matter how many Jedi Knights are running around the galaxy, none of them can defeat the Emperor or Vader and return balance to the Force. Only a Skywalker can. And Anakin's greatest weakness was always his family: His wife, his mother, and then his children. Palpatine used his mother and his wife to lure him to the Dark Side. It only follows that Obi-Wan and Yoda use his children to bring him back.

Remember, the Jedi do not deal in random coïncidence. Everything, to them, happens for a reason. You could build your lightsaber with any components you want to, you can even synthesize the crystal, but they make you undergo a very spiritual quest to acquire your lightsaber crystal - granted, the crystal could be any crystal, it might have been left there years ago by somebody and you could just as easily grab that one as any other. But there are no coïncidences, no matter how random things may seem. And your lightsaber crystal is yours and yours alone. Your lightsaber is yours and yours alone. You could use any lightsaber, but the Jedi are very specific about this sort of thing. They are equally so with every other major decision they make. Even the decision to train Anakin as a Jedi.

Therefore, Obi-Wan could not defeat Vader. Yoda could not defeat Palpatine. (In fact, IIRC, they never make reference to Luke defeating the Emperor, only Vader.) Only Luke or Leia can bring Anakin back and only Anakin can defeat Palpatine. No other Jedi or combination of Jedi in the galaxy can. Yoda and Obi-Wan and Ahsoka and Kanan and Ezra and Jacen and Jaina and Anakin and all your F&D Jedi and all your EotE Jedi exiles and all the other Jedi and Sith living or dead or yet to be born in the galaxy could defeat either one of them.

Why? Because the Force is a jerk. Go talk to Darth Treya about it.

That said, Vader is going to kill Ahsoka. Probably not this season, but I don't see how their story can end any other way.

Agreed - although I hope it's Palp that kills her while Vader stands by and does nothing.

it's the only way to really setup Vader killing Palp in RotJ to be that much more powerful.

You know if it was long and extremely painful I'd actually watch that because I hate that character and would love to see her suffer.

She and jar jar made clone wars unwatchable.

How much of The Clone Wars did you watch?

I hated her at first. But by the time she left the series, I didn't cry, but my allergies started acting up, so some people might have thought I was.

Gave up the first time jar jar appeared then I had to go find a kitten to punch.

You can skip the Jar-Jar episodes. I know I did.

You can skip the Jar-Jar episodes. I know I did.

The ones with Mace windu were cool.

See, I've got this long running idea that Yoda is always wrong. Yoda wanted Luke to hold off on fighting Vader, until Luke was ready to kill Vader. Yoda was wrong to want that waiting period.

By going to Bespin, Luke learned that Vader was his father. He saved his Sister, and was able to gather new allies for the struggle.

Had Luke not gone to Bespin, he would not have been able to separate Anikan Skywalker from Darth Vader. And being able to separate them was the key to the defeat of the Sith and the Unity of the Force.

So: Yoda was wrong. And Anikan's last words were basically to tell Luke that "you were right". Because Yoda was wrong.

Also remember that time Yoda thought only he could handle Palpatine? And couldn't?

Yeah.

Yoda's an idiot, flat out. He's wrong. There is a try, you can't do or don't without trying. Seriously, he's literally a daft old geezer with no wisdom to actually give.

Cross post from the Mandalorian thread:

Spoiler alert: Contains brief images linked to Season 2 of Rebels .

A mini-thingy about Ahsoka in Rebels: Link .

Ya know, I really like June, but now I want it to be the 20th.

It's a perfectly valid complaint yes in the OT they missed alot but it would have been a short film if they hadn't, but you never felt the empire wasn't a valid threat that needed fighting.

In rebels you wonder how the empire kept control they are so laughably bad.

This is the truth.

in the OT we see stormtroopers storming an enemy ship killing as they go, and they seem quite competent. We are later told that they must be pretty good shots based on how the jawa crawler is taken down.

Yes, this is eroded by how ineffective they are inside the Deathstar at actually hitting Luke and the gang. As others have stated, this exists due to plot necessity. I wish they would have thrown in some near misses, or someone gets shot in the leg and is hobbling about, but they didn't. I also wish it had been explained as Luke using some primitive unpracticed 'jedi mind trick', he was unconsciously projecting his 'I hope they miss...I hope they miss...I hope' and it affected them.

Unfortunately it is never spelled out why they suck at shooting. ROTJ it just gets bad, beaten by 4 foot tall stone age furballs.

Rebels seem to be going the same way, and I think that's a mistake. I'd have loved for the generic empire troops most often being encountered were planetary defence force types, militiamen and guardsmen impressed into empire service. Then use stormtroopers sparingly, and have the rebel cast react with 'oh ****! stormtroopers! and flee from even a half-dozen.

I hear you on the storm troopers thing. I was impressed with the threat that Ties have presented, when in swarms. It would be nice to see the ST get that kind of numbers = big threat treatment. I suspect with Vader around we'll see things get more serious.

Late to this thread, but does anyone know if Ahsoka knows who Vader is? It's pretty clear that even Tarkin only suspects who he used to be and believes this knowledge isn't widespread.

I never watched Clone Wars but my 2-yr old loves Rebels. I tried starting Clone Wars but it's a bit scary for him. Every time a ship blows up he pats his chest and says, "Nooo, D2!"

I feel like I need to catch up since about half the season 2 cast looks to be Clone Wars leftovers.

Based on the spoilers, she doesn't know Vader is Anakin at the beginning of Season 2.

Late to this thread, but does anyone know if Ahsoka knows who Vader is? It's pretty clear that even Tarkin only suspects who he used to be and believes this knowledge isn't widespread.

I never watched Clone Wars but my 2-yr old loves Rebels. I tried starting Clone Wars but it's a bit scary for him. Every time a ship blows up he pats his chest and says, "Nooo, D2!"

I feel like I need to catch up since about half the season 2 cast looks to be Clone Wars leftovers.

I highly suggest watching it in chronological order if you aren't already.

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

Good news for fans of The Clone Wars (more good news, actually).

Well that'd confirm prequel vessels for XWMG at the very least.

Based on the spoilers, she doesn't know Vader is Anakin at the beginning of Season 2.

Good news for fans of The Clone Wars (more good news, actually).

We're getting a Gauntlet. Maybe we'll get a S&V one for X-Wing?

I'm very happy about this. Love the new paint job as well.

Well that'd confirm prequel vessels for XWMG at the very least.

Actually, that would confirm TCW ships for X-wing, which since we already have a TCW pilot, I wouldn't be surprised.

Technically speaking - Slave 1 shows up in the prequels and Clone Wars, and the Hound's Tooth is in a few episodes of Clone Wars as well so...

Technically speaking - Slave 1 shows up in the prequels and Clone Wars, and the Hound's Tooth is in a few episodes of Clone Wars as well so...

All 3 YV-666 pilots appear in TCW.

Well that'd confirm prequel vessels for XWMG at the very least.

Actually, that would confirm TCW ships for X-wing, which since we already have a TCW pilot, I wouldn't be surprised.

TCW is prequel era.

Well that'd confirm prequel vessels for XWMG at the very least.

Actually, that would confirm TCW ships for X-wing, which since we already have a TCW pilot, I wouldn't be surprised.

TCW is prequel era.

Yes, but there is a difference between PT ships and TCW ships.

Good news for fans of The Clone Wars (more good news, actually).

We're getting a Gauntlet. Maybe we'll get a S&V one for X-Wing?

I'm very happy about this. Love the new paint job as well.

Aww for a few minutes I thought the Gauntlet class Starfighter ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gauntlet_starfighter ) had slipped into TCW and I hadn’t noticed. Instead it is just a Kom’rk. Oh well.

I'm happy about it though why they call it a fighter transport instead of an assault transport is beyond me. Those ships are way too big to be considered a fighter IMO, Its smaller model is over 60 percent larger then the next largest class considered a fighter and that was a modified Heavy Bomber model rather the a traditional fighter. I might see a heavy bomber that size but it has no bombs, missiles or torpedoes. In fact for a combat vessel its size its firepower stinks IMO.

I wanna see "Ghost" in XWMG. Just saying.

And I love this show. I was so stoked to see Ahsoka Tano and Capt. Rex are back. I do hope to see the show develop a deeper storyline as it progresses, but I'm loving it none the less.

Well that'd confirm prequel vessels for XWMG at the very least.

Actually, that would confirm TCW ships for X-wing, which since we already have a TCW pilot, I wouldn't be surprised.

TCW is prequel era.

Yes, but there is a difference between PT ships and TCW ships.

Friggin' how? I swear, anti-PT will pull just about every straw.

Yeah there are a few TCW ship classes that don't appear in the PT but most of the PT ships also appear in TCW an TCW is literally set within the PT..