My main concern with Rebels is what are they going to do with 3 Jedi (well one in training)? You don't hear any mention of any Jedi's surviving the Clone Wars in the OT. Are they all going to be killed off? Go into hiding? You'd think that if Kanan lives he'd be involved in the Rebellion some how and Luke would have known/heard about him. Same for Ezra and Asoka.

I hope they don't make the canon wonky.

Also, I feel like the killed the Inquisitor off too quickly. I wanted to know more about his back story and how there came to be Inquisitors. He might still be alive though...

The only ones that really talk as if there are no Jedi left are the Imperial Officers in the OT. They act as though Vader was the last one left alive despite Yoda and Obi-Wan being very much alive. Sure, he hunted down the Jedi as a group but that doesn't mean some exiles still didn't exist. They'd likely have given up their previous ways and spent a lot of their time on the Outer Rim planets to escape the Empire and Vader.

If Kanan & friends go into hiding for one reason or another, the canon is the same. "That boy is our last hope." Obi-Wan says this, not necessarily meaning Luke's the last Jedi but the only one that can actually confront Vader and not immediately be killed because he is Vader's son and they know Vader can still redeem himself.

You don't hear any mention of any Jedi's surviving the Clone Wars in the OT.

There's at least 2 that did, Obi Wan and Yoda. The very idea that more couldn't of survived is kinda unbelievable. It's not like Vader or the Emperor could sense Jedi's on different planets. So as long as someone didn't do a lot to attract attention to themselves, then there's no reason why they couldn't of made it to the rebellion era.

You'd think that if Kanan lives he'd be involved in the Rebellion some how and Luke would have known/heard about him. Same for Ezra and Asoka.

It's possible that none of them are considered Jedi, so that makes what Yoda said true. But we already have a case of a force sensitive surviving into the post Endor time, Kyle Katarn. Also in the EU there were a number of failed Jedi, or force sensitive types that showed up at Lukes academy, but he had never heard of them before.

The new canon book "Heir to the Jedi" which takes place soon after Ep 4 starts to delve into Luke exploring how to construct a lightsaber. That's not really a spoiler, but since it's still fairly new content, let's just say that Ezra, by the time he builds his saber, seems to already have more Jedi-esque skills than Luke does after Yavin.

Also, of the three new books out - A New Dawn is, I think, the best. (it's a Rebel's prequel)

Katarn doesn't exist anymore (technically speaking) and given what Tarkin says to Vader in Ep 4: "you, my friend, are all that's left..." that, despite a couple people hiding here and there, I don't see Rebels ending well for anyone packing a saber that isn't red.

My main concern with Rebels is what are they going to do with 3 Jedi (well one in training)?

Given the parallels between the rebels characters and the OT characters, it seems almost a given that kanan will sacrifice himself to save Ezra eventually, just like obi-wan did for Luke. If Ezra never manages to progress very far in his training then he won't disrupt the timeline too much, in fact, I would love it if they ended with an implication that Ezra was going to end up being Luke's first student. That just leaves Ahsoka, and from a purely dramatic point of view she needs to confront vader and get killed to show off how badass and evil vader has actually become.

That just leaves Ahsoka, and from a purely dramatic point of view she needs to confront vader and get killed to show off how badass and evil vader has actually become.

This. And it needs to be the Emperor that kills her while Anakin stands by and watches. They really missed that opportunity in EIII - if Padme (or Ahsoka) gets killed by Palpatine while Anakin stood by, then his action in Jedi becomes filled with even more meaning.

Oh dear god its a terrible show.

Mostly for the reasons already said - slingshots etc

My biggest hates-

sith (inquisitor?) And where exactly does he fit in? Always two there are, a mastern and an apprentice. Oh yeah, and another just in case Disney need a scarey bad guy.

Stormtroopers. OK it was a running gag that stormtroopers couldn't hit a barn door at ten feet. But in rebels its utterly ridiculous. These guys are missing at arms length.

The characters. Its already been said their cliches, but there just rehashes of the originals. Big alien guy is chewie, young lad is Luke. Captain is mix of han and obiwan etc..

The r2 unit has hands. And is annoying as hell.

Tattooine again!? Wow was Luke wrong. Everything happens on tattoine.

There's more, but I think that's enough.

Oh dear god its a terrible show.

Mostly for the reasons already said - slingshots etc

My biggest hates-

sith (inquisitor?) And where exactly does he fit in? Always two there are, a mastern and an apprentice. Oh yeah, and another just in case Disney need a scarey bad guy.

Stormtroopers. OK it was a running gag that stormtroopers couldn't hit a barn door at ten feet. But in rebels its utterly ridiculous. These guys are missing at arms length.

The characters. Its already been said their cliches, but there just rehashes of the originals. Big alien guy is chewie, young lad is Luke. Captain is mix of han and obiwan etc..

The r2 unit has hands. And is annoying as hell.

Tattooine again!? Wow was Luke wrong. Everything happens on tattoine.

There's more, but I think that's enough.

Oh boy.

Slingshot makes sense. Citizens aren't allowed to own weapons and Ezra isn't interested in killing or drawing attention to himself. He's a scamp, not a thug.

Well the Inquisitor isn't even really any type of apprentice. He's really just kind of a tool. It's not like Vader went around the entire galaxy himself, y'know? He can't keep an eye on everything.

Stormtroopers vary in competence in this show.

Yes, the crew is a definite nod-to-and-on-the-surface-rehash of the one we're familiar with though, they're pretty different in their own ways.

That's a C101P. Different model, and R2 has several Manipulator arms.

This is Lothal. A lush, plains filled Garden World. Not Tatooine in the slightest.

I dunno' how you can say it's terrible if you don't even know it's not on Tatooine, man.

some ninj'd but leaving it

The Inquisitor concept looks like it is coming from Ep 7 so you might want to get used to the idea. My own interpretation is that one can use the Force and not follow the 'ancient religion' of Jedi / Sith ways. Such a person could just be used as a hammer and everyone else is a nail

Has a Stormtrooper ever hit anything? This is a weak argument anymore. In Episode 4 they had Han dead to rights with his back turned running away. And Luke and Leia are in a tiny doorway - and the troopers have the high ground and don't hit a thing. It's okay to not like the show, but that is an unjustifiable reason.

And Lucas gave R2-D2 rockets. That was more annoying.

It isn't Tattooine - it's Lothal. Tattooine isn't even mentioned in Rebels to my knowledge.

As for Zeb being a rehash of the original (ie Chewie) - it actually goes beyond that, and to me, demonstrates the amount of Star Wars love and care going into the series. Zeb's character design is based on the original designs for Chewie.

some ninj'd but leaving it

The Inquisitor concept looks like it is coming from Ep 7 so you might want to get used to the idea. My own interpretation is that one can use the Force and not follow the 'ancient religion' of Jedi / Sith ways. Such a person could just be used as a hammer and everyone else is a nail

Has a Stormtrooper ever hit anything? This is a weak argument anymore. In Episode 4 they had Han dead to rights with his back turned running away. And Luke and Leia are in a tiny doorway - and the troopers have the high ground and don't hit a thing. It's okay to not like the show, but that is an unjustifiable reason.

And Lucas gave R2-D2 rockets. That was more annoying.

It isn't Tattooine - it's Lothal. Tattooine isn't even mentioned in Rebels to my knowledge.

As for Zeb being a rehash of the original (ie Chewie) - it actually goes beyond that, and to me, demonstrates the amount of Star Wars love and care going into the series. Zeb's character design is based on the original designs for Chewie.

Said it before and I'll say it again, I love all the homages to Ralph McQuarrie. Show is FULL of them and every shot looks like a McQuarrie painting. They did an oustanding job with that.

The characters. Its already been said their cliches, but there just rehashes of the originals.

Fan of movie based on classic archetypes complains that other characters are based on classic archetypes....

Season Two guest appearance spoiler alert:

Something about stormtroopers not hitting things triggered a memory about the actual hit/miss ratio of actual soldiers in combat. Stats are tough to come by (a great many of the statistics include rounds fired in training in the total rounds fired stats), but very broadly speaking it looks like Stormtroopers are just about as good as anyone else.

That actually makes sense: most soldiers are simply shooting in the general direction of the enemy, and trying to force the enemy into taking cover/not shooting. Very rarely do soldiers actually take the time to stop and aim, as that will often lead to being killed. Snipers are only just on the good side of a 2 bullets per kill ratio.

"demonstrates the amount of Star Wars love and care going into the series."

YES.

remembering it IS a kids show it does an amazing job of making parents (and children of the 70'S) Squee with all the great easter eggs.

that troop transport they use? i HAD THAT TOY! I love that about the show.

the characters have great depth and motivations. The episode where Lando guest stars shows Hera's strength as leader of the band...and several episodes show Kanan's frustration at his failed past...very well done.
oh and chopper? best pyscho-astromech ever.

Don't forget a nod to Dark Forces II, where that old Data Disk of Ezra's is the spitting image of Kyle's..!

Oh dear god its a terrible show.

Mostly for the reasons already said - slingshots etc

My biggest hates-

sith (inquisitor?) And where exactly does he fit in? Always two there are, a mastern and an apprentice. Oh yeah, and another just in case Disney need a scarey bad guy.

Stormtroopers. OK it was a running gag that stormtroopers couldn't hit a barn door at ten feet. But in rebels its utterly ridiculous. These guys are missing at arms length.

The characters. Its already been said their cliches, but there just rehashes of the originals. Big alien guy is chewie, young lad is Luke. Captain is mix of han and obiwan etc..

The r2 unit has hands. And is annoying as hell.

Tattooine again!? Wow was Luke wrong. Everything happens on tattoine.

There's more, but I think that's enough.

Dark Side Inquisitors have been around for a long time. They're not Sith, and they don't violate the rule of two. It's not the show's fault you're not up on your lore. This is the first of many absolutely baseless complaints you have (unless we also count the slingshot, which is there temporarily, and as a means of showing Ezra's character growth AWAY from the rough-and-tumble frontier kid and into something less playful and more dangerous, actually, in a very important Bildungsroman transition from boy to young adult, from scrappy thief to Padawan).

Stormtroopers miss because if they hit then the good guys die and the show ends. Inaccurate bad guys is a long-lasting genre trope, and mooks are hardly unique to Star Wars . It's also to the show's credit that the heroes don't act like the bad guys are incompetent -- they still run, they still take cover, they still try to avoid fights and maintain a sense of tension.

The characters aren't cliches, they're tropes, or homages. There's a difference. And if you're not picking up the different vibes these characters give off compared to their predecessors, that's on you, not the show (you certainly don't sound very interested in giving it a shot, or in giving it the thought and analysis it deserves).

Chopper's not an R2 unit, he's a C1-10P. He's directly based on some of the original concept art, and what you call "annoying" lots of fans call "awesome."

And no, actually, not Tatooine. The show's centered around Lothal, an entirely different planet (you can tell from the way there's not multiple suns in the sky, it's not a desert, there's no Tusken raiders, and everyone keeps calling it 'Lothal' instead of 'Tatooine').

Don't blame the show for you not getting the show. You're wrong. A lot.

But you're right about one thing; I think that's enough.

When I saw the original Star Wars in the theater for the 3rd (or was it the 7th time? I can't remember), I sat in front of two woman, probably in their late 30's or early 40's. In the first few minutes of the movie, they proclaimed to each other in utter contempt and sarcasm and in a voice loud enough for the people around them to hear, "Yeah, right, spaceships." They stuck around for another 20 minutes constantly taking jabs at the movie and then they walked out.

What's the morale? I don't know, but spaceships are awesome.

The Sith inquisitors should actually be dark Jedi, Sith was a race it's not a title that applies to all dark side users.

I still hate the art style.

And I don't like the crew.

The Sith inquisitors should actually be dark Jedi, Sith was a race it's not a title that applies to all dark side users.

I still hate the art style.

And I don't like the crew.

So, Jango Boba, Sabine, and other famous Mandalorians, shouldn't be called Mandalorians..?

The Sith inquisitors should actually be dark Jedi, Sith was a race it's not a title that applies to all dark side users.

I still hate the art style.

And I don't like the crew.

So, Jango Boba, Sabine, and other famous Mandalorians, shouldn't be called Mandalorians..?

Your talking about culture I'm talking genetics, any force user can become a dark Jedi but to be a true Sith you should be able to trace your family line back to the Sith race.

The Sith inquisitors should actually be dark Jedi, Sith was a race it's not a title that applies to all dark side users.

I still hate the art style.

And I don't like the crew.

So, Jango Boba, Sabine, and other famous Mandalorians, shouldn't be called Mandalorians..?

Your talking about culture I'm talking genetics, any force user can become a dark Jedi but to be a true Sith you should be able to trace your family line back to the Sith race.

Sorry, what's this about a Sith Race? Sounds like rumors and Legends. Only Sith I know of are Darth Vader, Darth Sideous, Darth Tyrannus, Darth Maul and the Inquisitor.

You do know that the Sith evolved into an organization, much like the Jedi.

And the Inquisitors doesn't violate the Rule of Two anymore than Asajj Ventress did.

You do know that the Sith evolved into an organization, much like the Jedi.

And the Inquisitors doesn't violate the Rule of Two anymore than Asajj Ventress did.

The rule of two is complete hogwash. It's only purpose is to give the Sith in power a reason to murder anyone that would try to gain that power. Not that they really needed a reason other than that. Also, in this "vast galaxy" that Star Wars is in, there is no way you can maintain only two Sith at any given time. Sidious and Vader never even found all the remaining Jedi, it's not like they have a magic Jedi Galaxy Positioning System.

I'm not sure The Inquisitor is ever identified as "Sith". So there's no Rule of 2 violation.

I do love the idea that the Rule of 2 was developed by the Sith to limit the carnage of their own Will to Power. It kind of tells you how self defeating their philosophy is.

I think the Rule of Two is just something that says the Sith usually have apprentices.

"Arrr....they're more like guidelines..."

The rule of two was to stop all the dark side drunkenness induced murdering. The sith killed each other way too often to get anything done. Focus the power into those best able to use it.

The Inquisitor just knows a few tricks (like spinning, which is a great one) but could never hope to grasp the true power of the dark side like a proper sith.

The galaxy is a big place and you need watchdogs to be where you are not.