One thing's for sure...it's more attractive than anything the Prequel's put out so I'm behind it all the way. Would be pretty awesome to have a little Astromech on it, but hell, I'm sure the computers are beefy enough they don't need the extra droid for help. A-wing and B-wing didn't need an Astromech.

As someone else said...perhaps we're just not seeing it in all it's glory maybe there is an Astromech spot.

Yeah, that's kinda' the first point I made. Droid brains are a thing, and I'll be perfectly honest.

That seems a HELL of a lot better than an astromech, to me.

The notion that new models of X-wings were made in the decades following the Battle of Endor is nothing new. This is just the first time we've seen this particular design as opposed to something much closer to the original. It's comparable to there being many designs of the Z-95. Personally I like a bit of granularity to ships, especially over time. It gets boring and cartoonish if every faction uses the same two or three ship types without variation (or even repaints).

A good point was raised that this may just be a 'background junkyard' prop rather than something being actively used by Luke or the Alliance. We have no idea if it will be seen flying. It's awfully worn out and dirty if we assume it was built in the last few years. JJ's X-wing design may simply be one of the variants built in the decate following Endor and now (30-40 years later) it's been decommissioned or sold off to private use.

I'm loving it, since it would go perfect with say a 2nd Ed. of an X-Wing core set release Since its newer you can give it a little better stats, and then you can run old school X-Wings alongside the new 'advanced' X-Wings. Throw some Z95's in there and have some fun.

Now I'm just praying FFG can get the rights to actually make the Episode VI stuff.

The notion that new models of X-wings were made in the decades following the Battle of Endor is nothing new. This is just the first time we've seen this particular design as opposed to something much closer to the original. It's comparable to there being many designs of the Z-95. Personally I like a bit of granularity to ships, especially over time. It gets boring and cartoonish if every faction uses the same two or three ship types without variation (or even repaints).

A good point was raised that this may just be a 'background junkyard' prop rather than something being actively used by Luke or the Alliance. We have no idea if it will be seen flying. It's awfully worn out and dirty if we assume it was built in the last few years. JJ's X-wing design may simply be one of the variants built in the decate following Endor and now (30-40 years later) it's been decommissioned or sold off to private use.

That'd be kind of a waste of resources though. And Galactic Republic or Rebellion, these guys never waste anything.

I'm loving it, since it would go perfect with say a 2nd Ed. of an X-Wing core set release Since its newer you can give it a little better stats, and then you can run old school X-Wings alongside the new 'advanced' X-Wings. Throw some Z95's in there and have some fun.

Now I'm just praying FFG can get the rights to actually make the Episode VI stuff.

Of course they can. Also. Here's what I propose.

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No astromech, but systems instead.

I'm loving it, since it would go perfect with say a 2nd Ed. of an X-Wing core set release Since its newer you can give it a little better stats, and then you can run old school X-Wings alongside the new 'advanced' X-Wings. Throw some Z95's in there and have some fun.

Now I'm just praying FFG can get the rights to actually make the Episode VI stuff.

Higher point cost units if newer tech of course. But yes I wouldn't be opposed to this.

More XWing Miniatures ships the merrier.

Hopefully we see an Assault Gunboat, Missile Boat and other EU things like Thrawn referenced and re-canon'ized

It doesn't matter how powerful your lasers are if your opponent has shields that render lasers harmless, and since the Empire doesn't have shields designed to block phasers

Just because they're called lasers in Star Wars doesn't mean they're the same thing as they talked about in TNG. Likewise an energy shield designed to stop turbolasers would in theory at least be effective against any form of directed energy weapon, including phasers.

To clear something up.

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Star Wars directed Energy Weaponry is not actually any form of laser. It's more akin to Superheated Plasma Ala Halo, see: Tibanna Gas used as fuel for the weapons.

Ah, but are any of the sources for that canon anymore?

You really need a canon source to see that this:

is not the same thing as this?

Star Wars laser weapons are not lasers, and anyone who's used a laser pointer before knows this.

We had this talk before. Star Wars Lasers are Lasers but heavily altred. Just about everything you see in the film we can do right now with lasers. They even make it a point to point out they are lasers in the Vehicle crossections books which were written by Kerrie Dougherty (curator of Space technology at power house museum) Dr. Curtis Saxton (PhD in theretical astrophysics at Sydney Australia) David West Reynolds (PhD archology University of Michigan)

They also make a point to show there is laser light sabres, ion light sabres, plasma light sabres, and super natrual light sabres. Same with cannons, if everything was plasma they wouldnt bother getting excited over using Plasma weapons over say a blaster or laser.

Pretty cool, looks like Blue Squadron will finally make it to the big screen. It's a shame Ralph Mcqarrie isn't around to see his concept come alive in full scale and almost if not entirely the same as he designed it.

Looks like the X-Wing Pilot helmets got a modern upgrade as well too.

What about the difference between this 1940s jet and the 1970s one?

Nice Me 262. The 40 -70's is a bit more dramatic as the very first, unrefined, jet fighter plane looks nothing like the sleeker 70's counterpart, but the F-15 eagle and the newer aircraft have very similar design features that the age gap is not readiliy apparent.

JJ's X-wing looks very different from the 'older' X-wing design, but it fits, with a 'newer design feel'.

I would like to still see Luke pull out the old orange strippy one and give it a go!

But ur not taking into acount the NACA or the preformance of the internal components. Thats WHEN YOU WILL SEE A BIG DIFFRENCE IN CAPABILITIES.

Don't be such killjoys all you people telling us not to debate the science! You'll be telling us not to argue over who'd win in a fight between the Emprie and the Federation* next.

*Star Trek, not Blake's 7.

Of course not. That has been done to death already, and the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug.

I still don't buy it. It doesn't matter how powerful your lasers are if your opponent has shields that render lasers harmless, and since the Empire doesn't have shields designed to block phasers then their shields may as well not exist, so a single phaser would slice straight through them like an A-Wing to the bridge.

Theres some major mistakes on that website but the Empire would win. See one of the most dangerous weapons in ST is a laser, its known as a Cutting Beam. Its used by the Borg. Pop in the first ep the borg show up in Worf scans the weapon and its a laser.

2nd the most dangerous attribute the Empire has over the Feds is, besides fireing range and detection range, is ECM and ECCM. Both these things are nearly absent from every scifi made and when it is in a scfi it only is good for hampering the equipment we got now in eal life.

With the ECM the Feds will have to fire all there weapons with zero mechanicle assistance, weve seen how good the fire with out targeting computers... Its bad.

Worse is the Borg if they are hit with ecm they die or a nocked unconsious. They need there connection to the hive mind or there ******. This is a problem they have never adapted to in all there existance. This is why they cant follow ships into gas clouds or go anywhere with subspace interference.

The funny thing is since everyone uses ECM reg all the time the only time they would see the borg is when there cubs ships would be coming at them and then drift by because the Borg would be dead or greatly hurt because they would not be part of there hive mind anymore.

Worst case is for the borg to run into the tactical jammers used on the Death Star 1 and 2. The ecm would be far worse to the Borg than the Super Lasers, and they can accidently kill a multiveres at full power, youll have to read the text on how the Laser kills things.

It doesn't matter how powerful your lasers are if your opponent has shields that render lasers harmless, and since the Empire doesn't have shields designed to block phasers

Just because they're called lasers in Star Wars doesn't mean they're the same thing as they talked about in TNG. Likewise an energy shield designed to stop turbolasers would in theory at least be effective against any form of directed energy weapon, including phasers.

To clear something up.

____________________________________________________

Star Wars directed Energy Weaponry is not actually any form of laser. It's more akin to Superheated Plasma Ala Halo, see: Tibanna Gas used as fuel for the weapons.

Ah, but are any of the sources for that canon anymore?

You really need a canon source to see that this:

is not the same thing as this?

Star Wars laser weapons are not lasers, and anyone who's used a laser pointer before knows this.

We had this talk before. Star Wars Lasers are Lasers but heavily altred. Just about everything you see in the film we can do right now with lasers. They even make it a point to point out they are lasers in the Vehicle crossections books which were written by Kerrie Dougherty (curator of Space technology at power house museum) Dr. Curtis Saxton (PhD in theretical astrophysics at Sydney Australia) David West Reynolds (PhD archology University of Michigan)

They also make a point to show there is laser light sabres, ion light sabres, plasma light sabres, and super natrual light sabres. Same with cannons, if everything was plasma they wouldnt bother getting excited over using Plasma weapons over say a blaster or laser.

-My previous post isn't relevant to the thread at all. if you're still interested you'll see it in one of the quotes below-

Or they could just be glowing bolts of boom that make noise while spacecraft manages to bank like aircraft as though there is an atmosphere.

Seriously, people.

It doesn't matter how powerful your lasers are if your opponent has shields that render lasers harmless, and since the Empire doesn't have shields designed to block phasers

Just because they're called lasers in Star Wars doesn't mean they're the same thing as they talked about in TNG. Likewise an energy shield designed to stop turbolasers would in theory at least be effective against any form of directed energy weapon, including phasers.

To clear something up.

____________________________________________________

Star Wars directed Energy Weaponry is not actually any form of laser. It's more akin to Superheated Plasma Ala Halo, see: Tibanna Gas used as fuel for the weapons.

Ah, but are any of the sources for that canon anymore?

You really need a canon source to see that this:

is not the same thing as this?

Star Wars laser weapons are not lasers, and anyone who's used a laser pointer before knows this.

We had this talk before. Star Wars Lasers are Lasers but heavily altred. Just about everything you see in the film we can do right now with lasers. They even make it a point to point out they are lasers in the Vehicle crossections books which were written by Kerrie Dougherty (curator of Space technology at power house museum) Dr. Curtis Saxton (PhD in theretical astrophysics at Sydney Australia) David West Reynolds (PhD archology University of Michigan)

They also make a point to show there is laser light sabres, ion light sabres, plasma light sabres, and super natrual light sabres. Same with cannons, if everything was plasma they wouldnt bother getting excited over using Plasma weapons over say a blaster or laser.

While it is entirely possible to go through a convoluted rationalization of what a turbo-laser is, using analysis of film stills (which demonstrate that turbo-lasers are distinctly NOTHING like lasers) and by noting how military terminology is likely to morph over the centuries, there is an even simply explanation for all this.

Riker was wrong*

It is literally impossible to create an energy shield that could absorb an unlimited amount of any 'type' of energy (although casting 'laser energy' as a 'type' of energy falls into the realms of categorizing military material as if it's all pokemon types...). To do so would require harnessing of infinite energy which, well, would make the Federation near gods...

This is why mass drivers, which are effectively chunks of metal moving SUPER SUPER fast would still be effective weapons; method of transmission of energy is only one step in damage delivery. In space weaponry, energy is God, weapon type is merely the Priest bringing His word =P

Riker was probably wrong. Lest we forget, the Chief Engineer(!) stated in one episode that a temperature reading was below absolute zero.

Even if these weren't cases of negligence (although Federation operations are demonstrably shoddy even if only because they continue to use the holo-deck EVER...) mistakes are made and oversimplifications are made when people talk. This is why David Wong (author of the above link) - and others- thoroughly rejects dialogue as meaningful evidence when there is something more objective and concrete to go off of. (ie, film frame analysis).

This also ties into another weird fallacy that tech 'levels up'. No, lasers do not 'level up' to phasers (supposedly 'phased' lasers, which is odd because by operation and any functional definition lasers HAVE to be as in phase as possible within quantum mechanical limits). There's a reason naval craft still use steel and rivets... As people were saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". High-tech =/= better.

*or oversimplifying. Gives Riker the benefit of the doubt and is more excusable.

Who says they have to absorb the energy? A better solution would be to make yourself incorporeal from the energy's point of view.

Guys.

What the holy hell is going on in this thread?

For those having trouble visualizing the wing split:

For those having trouble visualizing the wing split:

Awesome work on this.

What the holy hell is going on in this thread?

DUDE I DON'T KNOW.

For those having trouble visualizing the wing split:

That's pretty close to how I see it happening.

For those having trouble visualizing the wing split:

Awesome work on this.

Not my work, someone on another board found it on Reddit.

I'm kinda dissapointed. Yes they are obviously referencing McQuire's work...but it still looks way too similar to the current design. This movie is 30-35 years after ROTJ, it should be new ships, or if they want newer versions of an existing ship, don't make them so similar.

Doesn't the United States Air Force still use jet fighters that are almost 30yrs old.

I like the idea of the s-foils moving around the engine much better

What the holy hell is going on in this thread?

You're 100% right, the whole Trek vs Wars debate is really silly and has nothing to do with the thread. I should know better and I shouldn't be contributing to dragging the thread off topic.

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I really didn't like the JJ Enterprise. It grew on me, but I hated it at first.

I really, really, really dig this though. Not sold on the split S-foil yet, I think, but that animation is very nice.

As long as it sounds the same, I think that will be whats more important. I do think it looks pretty sweet though.

It will be interesting to see how much the other starfighters or ships have changed.

I'm kinda dissapointed. Yes they are obviously referencing McQuire's work...but it still looks way too similar to the current design. This movie is 30-35 years after ROTJ, it should be new ships, or if they want newer versions of an existing ship, don't make them so similar.

Doesn't the United States Air Force still use jet fighters that are almost 30yrs old.

See: A-10 Warthog.

It Can't be an X-wing.. Or atleast not the "Model" of X-wing we remember from the original trilogy. Since the movies pick up 30 years after RoTJ, then I can see it as a more advanced modern version of the X-wing. Kinda like how the E-wing in the books was supposed to replace the X-wing.

It Can't be an X-wing.. Or atleast not the "Model" of X-wing we remember from the original trilogy. Since the movies pick up 30 years after RoTJ, then I can see it as a more advanced modern version of the X-wing. Kinda like how the E-wing in the books was supposed to replace the X-wing.

Well, it is and can be an X-Wing. A new model. It's not a T-65 no, but something else, idk, T-70 or something, who knows?

All we know is that it IS most definitely an X-Wing.