Here's an idea. Why doesn't everyone in this thread donate a few quid to UNICEF? It's because of them that we got a nosy at the new x wing in the first place. And for less than the price of a small ship, you might end up in the movie...
And then you can be smug all day, because you've done something nice. 
It strikes me that if you change the cockpit configuration, the engines, number of weapons, remove the external hardpoints, remove the forked tail and change it from variable geometry to fixed wing is it really still a Z-95 Or should it have the T Designation
So....you guys look at the Z-95X?
I feel it was overlooked. But people are stuck on JJ still instead
That's because it was 100% Irrelevant because it was a Z-95, this was not. Not to be an ass, but you know why it was irrelevant?
Because the Z-95X was based on that Ralph McQuarrie concept art. So is this. This however is recent- new, directly related to the topic and new film coming out- the Z-95X is not.
Thus it takes precedence in the conversation, making the Z-95X moot.
Also, it's not a 99% match.
It's a 60%.
It's nearly a match to the Z95X in appearance.
It's not as similar to an XWing or even the original artwork of an XWing.
That's why it's not irrelevant
I think E7 is going to be good.
So....you guys look at the Z-95X?
I feel it was overlooked. But people are stuck on JJ still instead
It's been officially stated that's not a Z-95 of any kind. It's an EPVII X-wing.
Why does the XWing need to be changed?
I liked how it was in the original.
JJ always makes changes. Not always good ones.
The nose cap piece is basically non existent and he is making it look more like a earth fighter jet than something from the Star Wars universe. And no astro mech?
Give me episode 4
Let's be honest, that nose cap piece made the already long, skinny nose look even MORE phallic.
First, I love the new look. 30-35 years in design doesn't look very different. Can you pick the aircraft that is from the 70's and the jet from 2010? There's 40 years between them.I'm kinda dissapointed. Yes they are obviously referencing McQuire's work...but it still looks way too similar to the current design. This movie is 30-35 years after ROTJ, it should be new ships, or if they want newer versions of an existing ship, don't make them so similar.
A casual fan would probably think they are the exact same ship.
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OK, I know the first one is an F-15 Eagle. But what's the second one? I can't figure it out.
That's an F-16 variant. I think it was an F-16E? I don't know- but I remember that much.
Block 60 F-16 with conformal fuel tanks.
Is the US using those now? I know we sold a bunch of hem to the Israelis for their F-16i, which is apparently a total badass.
So....you guys look at the Z-95X?
I feel it was overlooked. But people are stuck on JJ still instead
That's because it was 100% Irrelevant because it was a Z-95, this was not. Not to be an ass, but you know why it was irrelevant?
Because the Z-95X was based on that Ralph McQuarrie concept art. So is this. This however is recent- new, directly related to the topic and new film coming out- the Z-95X is not.
Thus it takes precedence in the conversation, making the Z-95X moot.
Also, it's not a 99% match.
It's a 60%.
It's nearly a match to the Z95X in appearance.
It's not as similar to an XWing or even the original artwork of an XWing.
That's why it's not irrelevant
...Man there's no helpin' folks like you is there?
So....you guys look at the Z-95X?
I feel it was overlooked. But people are stuck on JJ still instead
It's been officially stated that's not a Z-95 of any kind. It's an EPVII X-wing.
They could call it a banana, but if it's clearly more similar to a Z95 type, then would it still be a banana? It's JJs movie magic for those with a short memory of the past designs from the EU. You can call this "updated xwing" whatever you want.
They took the Z95X design and rehashed that same exact external design and now claim it to be an updated XWing.
Compare the Z95X to the "updated" xwing in a side by side.
You'll see. Tell me how it's more similar to an XWing than the 95... Curious to hear your assessment, short of restating the official release saying it's an XWing. Physical attributes, what's it nearly identical to? What's it more similar to and share more characteristics of?
They took the Z95X design and rehashed that same exact external design and now claim it to be an updated XWing.
Compare the Z95X to the "updated" xwing in a side by side.
You'll see. Tell me how it's more similar to an XWing than the 95... Curious to hear your assessment, short of restating the official release saying it's an XWing. Physical attributes, what's it nearly identical to? What's it more similar to and share more characteristics of?
What's more likely, that it is as the production team has said and they are using mcquarrie concept art as inspiration for the new xwing style or that it's "ripped off" from a EU comic with very few appearances (which itself is CLEARLY based on the mcqarrie xwing concept art shown earlier in this thread)
I've never even heard of a z95x before and it barely even gets a mention on wookiepedia. It might look sort of like a z95x but this new xwing and the z95x are using the same point of inspiration and frankly, the z95x looks more like a OT xwing than ralph's concept art anyway. The only real similarity is the engine design.
The theorized s-foil action on the new xwing will make it look dramatically different than the xwing or z95x anyway.
I hated the redesign in star trek and I'm not crazy about that x-wing redesign, I'm fairly sure he's going to turn star wars into a movie for the lowest common denominator like he did trek.
Yeah it would really be a shame if JJ turned a continuation of a movie about a farmboy orphan who teams up with a smuggler, a giant furry alien, two quirky droids and a princess to achieve his potential as a magic-using space monk swordsman and defeat the evil galactic Imperial forces led by the man who is secretly his father into some sort of summer blockbuster popcorn movie...
We had this talk before. Star Wars Lasers are Lasers but heavily altred.
I'm just going to stop you right there.
Lasers cannot do ANYTHING approaching what the "lasers" in Star Wars can do. Think about this for a second: LASER stands for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation". Basically, this means a laser is coherent light, or light that happens to have the same frequency for each photon that comprises it. Since it's light, it has to have several qualities:
1) it must move at lightspeed
2) it must direct its energy in only one direction, i.e. it can only radiate forward.
3) it will not be stopped by any material that is invisible
4) it will not be stopped by another laser beam
Now, look at the characteristics of Star Wars lasers:
1) they move at significantly slower-than-light speeds
2) they radiate their energy in all directions (the fact that you can see the beam proves this)
3) they can be stopped by glass and transperisteel
4) they interact with other bolts, which is how superlasers form composite beams
Obviously, real life lasers have absolutely nothing in common with Star Wars lasers.
They took the Z95X design and rehashed that same exact external design and now claim it to be an updated XWing.
Compare the Z95X to the "updated" xwing in a side by side.
You'll see. Tell me how it's more similar to an XWing than the 95... Curious to hear your assessment, short of restating the official release saying it's an XWing. Physical attributes, what's it nearly identical to? What's it more similar to and share more characteristics of?
What's more likely, that it is as the production team has said and they are using mcquarrie concept art as inspiration for the new xwing style or that it's "ripped off" from a EU comic with very few appearances (which itself is CLEARLY based on the mcqarrie xwing concept art shown earlier in this thread)
I've never even heard of a z95x before and it barely even gets a mention on wookiepedia. It might look sort of like a z95x but this new xwing and the z95x are using the same point of inspiration and frankly, the z95x looks more like a OT xwing than ralph's concept art anyway. The only real similarity is the engine design.
The theorized s-foil action on the new xwing will make it look dramatically different than the xwing or z95x anyway.
For what it's worth, the comic in question took a LOT of liberties with starship design. This, for instance, is their take on the Pulsar Skate:
Before that comic, and in most sources since, it looks like this:
The Z-95 in that story was supposed to be a Z-95 that we know and love, but the artist who created it thought that it was just a modified X-wing and so drew it that way. I remember hating that comic when it came out for not respecting the source material, and nowadays I merely dislike it (it doesn't help matters that its story was rather weak).
In any case, the new X-wing looks pretty darn good to me. If you have to go with a new design, then I'm glad they're paying homage to the guy who got 20th Century Fox to pay attention to Lucas. Lest we forget, Ralph McQuarrie was the artist Lucas hired to give life to the visions in his head, and his artwork made it possible for the original film to be made at all. The ARC-170's look was vaguely inspired by the old X-wing, but this one looks like a great homage to the old concept art. I'd love to have a model kit of this new X-wing in 1:72.
Loved the blocky, rushed look of the original star ships. It made them look utilitarian and, as a result more realistic than the baboon fighters from episodes "sucked" - "could not have sucked more." And the other problem that the naboo ships brought up (based on my experiences with the rogue squadron game for GameCube) is if those ships were so mch better (faster, more maneuverable, better armed), why did they ever start using the stinking y-wing and company to begin with??? Kudos to JJ for knowing what made the series awesome from at least an aesthetic stand point.
This is a post about a JJ Abrams vehicle design (though likely not his, personally) for a Star Wars movie. His other films' spacecraft designs (again likely not his) are perfectly relevant to the topic.
This is a post about a JJ Abrams vehicle design (though likely not his, personally) for a Star Wars movie. His other films' spacecraft designs (again likely not his) are perfectly relevant to the topic.
No. Stop.
Because nobody gives a flying ****.
This is a post about a JJ Abrams vehicle design (though likely not his, personally) for a Star Wars movie. His other films' spacecraft designs (again likely not his) are perfectly relevant to the topic.
No. Stop.
Because nobody gives a flying ****.
No. Stop.This is a post about a JJ Abrams vehicle design (though likely not his, personally) for a Star Wars movie. His other films' spacecraft designs (again likely not his) are perfectly relevant to the topic.
Because nobody gives a flying ****.
It appears that you do give a flying ****. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted in this thread.
You're **** right I do. I'm sick of people using any chance to bash JJ just because they can. It's absolutely ridiculous.
You're **** right I do. I'm sick of people using any chance to bash JJ just because they can. It's absolutely ridiculous.
And getting hurt over it helps things how?
People are allowed their own opinions and for some of us that a negative one where jj is concerned, it's not like I'm accusing him of being Hitler or anything, I just don't rate him as a director, your free to disagree but not to try and stifle my opinion.
...But this thread is about the X-Wing.
Not him.
He's the director it's his vision for the movie that dictates how it turns out, he has final say on the design of the x-wing and so if people don't like it then it's his fault, the buck stops with him and no one else.
We had this talk before. Star Wars Lasers are Lasers but heavily altred.
I'm just going to stop you right there.
Lasers cannot do ANYTHING approaching what the "lasers" in Star Wars can do. Think about this for a second: LASER stands for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation". Basically, this means a laser is coherent light, or light that happens to have the same frequency for each photon that comprises it. Since it's light, it has to have several qualities:
1) it must move at lightspeed
2) it must direct its energy in only one direction, i.e. it can only radiate forward.
3) it will not be stopped by any material that is invisible
4) it will not be stopped by another laser beam
Now, look at the characteristics of Star Wars lasers:
1) they move at significantly slower-than-light speeds
2) they radiate their energy in all directions (the fact that you can see the beam proves this)
3) they can be stopped by glass and transperisteel
4) they interact with other bolts, which is how superlasers form composite beams
Obviously, real life lasers have absolutely nothing in common with Star Wars lasers.
MF: I've had this argument in detail with BKL before. It totally isn't worth it as he won't listen to reason. Now if you just enjoy pointing out when he is wrong then go ahead!
You're **** right I do. I'm sick of people using any chance to bash JJ just because they can. It's absolutely ridiculous.
And I'm sick of people using any chance to bash the prequels. They weren't that bad (loads better than JJs two Star Treks, for example).
Deal with it. Your rants trying to get the thread to talk about what YOU think it should be about have been far more disruptive than the discussion of how JJs vision, as demonstrated in his prior works, might be influencing this one.
You're **** right I do. I'm sick of people using any chance to bash JJ just because they can. It's absolutely ridiculous.
And I'm sick of people using any chance to bash the prequels. They weren't that bad (loads better than JJs two Star Treks, for example).
Deal with it. Your rants trying to get the thread to talk about what YOU think it should be about have been far more disruptive than the discussion of how JJs vision, as demonstrated in his prior works, might be influencing this one.
Funny how opinion differs? Maybe I am just not a true Trek fan or something but JJ's Treks were better then the prequels. Just my opinion though.
The only prequel imo that didn't have something so horrible to ruin the whole movie was Attack of the Clones. The kid in phantom + jar jar = puke. Anakin/Padme bad cheeze + horrible dark-side transition killed RotS. The idea imo was great, the whole political transformation and take over of the government was awesome... just horrible writing and directing. Lucas swung for the epic drama fences and whiffed.
I personally liked JJs treks, they were entertaining. From what I understand "true" fans believe they do not include Roddenberry's style sci-fi+social commentary which I can appreciate but cannot relate to since I liked TNG but only some of the newer movies (Kahn is always an exception).
From my perspective there is a lot of fanboyism going around on both sides that bias every opinion. I know for a fact my memory of star wars OT is better then the actual movies. Just like EVERYTHING from "when I was younger"...