I'd think those would stack. I think reaching FR 3 is possible with both games, as it should be. At least that's my assumption.

Sad about the skill, but I'm still hopeful about a +1 Force rating talent at the bottom of the tree.

Hmm. Does Force Emergent have the +1 Force talent (the one that costs 25 XP)? If so, could a pc then progress through both FSE and Emergent to get a 3 rating or does that talent not stack?

Presumably they would stack. They seem to be two sides of the same coin.

Yes, while the initial Force Rating wouldn't, as per the FSE spec, the later talent to increase Force Rating would as you have worked toward that. So a FR of 3 should be entirely doable by a FSEx taking FSEm later.

Poster over in the "What we know" thread, there are three Force powers: Move is repeated, and two new ones are added. I may be wrong on the names, but I think they are Foresee (which allows you to boost Brawn checks, and, with upgrades, other abilities) and Foresee (which let's you mess with initiative order, then with upgrades know what an opponent will do [the GM has to tell you, then follow up on it]).

It's nice to see a little diversity without the power level going up. By the time we get to F&D, it's going to be pretty expensive to be a Jedi. Assuming they add somewhere between 2 and 5 new powers, you're looking at a ton of options, but also a ton of cost.

The first new one is "Enhance" according to the GSA review.

Truthbetold I'm with Jegergryte in that I wouldn't want TOR to be the basis for F&D in a way similar to how d20 (most explicitly Saga) seemed to be designed to eventually accommodate whatever properties WotC adapted into sourcebooks (completely different "power levels" going on between KOTOR and TFU vs. Scum & Villainy for example)... then again, I personally have actually never accepted such a Guardian/Consular/Sentinel divide or even really any such sub-dividing of the "Jedi concept" (if I have to pick between WEG's seeming idea of the pre-Original Trilogy Jedi and the prequels/associated EU, the WEG books win every time) so I do like gwek describes, that the Original Trilogy seems to be the basis on which the game's "power level" is set.

If anything, EotE actually comes closer in terms of how I 'd write the Jedi than the prequels, with "Force wizardry" to come later... emphasis on later. The main nitpick would be that EotE seems to be geared so that you're expected to play a newly-realized learner (yep, ignoring midichlorians here too) instead of a survivor of the Purges (how I'd write that, who knows) which is what I took to mean by the "Exile" in the Force Sensitive Exile specialization's name...

Nevertheless, I'd dare suggest that Force Sensitive Exile is already more than enough to run certain "Jedi" character concepts -- that is, you can play Jedi right now -- if you're willing to treat the specialization as just crunch and the "Jedi" and "Exile" names as fluff... got one such concept cooking in my head already...

P.S. For me it's just "apprentice" or "learner", not "Padawan", and I was actually really annoyed to see how much EU content set post-ROTJ had Luke modeling the New Jedi Order in time on the prequel depiction of the Old Order.

Enhance is actually pretty cool. Instead of me telling you about it, here's a pic of it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgpn3ug2rvfrcng/ForceEnhance.jpg

-EF

If anything, EotE actually comes closer in terms of how I 'd write the Jedi than the prequels, with "Force wizardry" to come later... emphasis on later. The main nitpick would be that EotE seems to be geared so that you're expected to play a newly-realized learner (yep, ignoring midichlorians here too) instead of a survivor of the Purges (how I'd write that, who knows) which is what I took to mean by the "Exile" in the Force Sensitive Exile specialization's name...

That's actually stated in EotE. A Force Sensitive Exile can be a "Padawan" that survived the purge. I don't know if "Padawan" was just an example and it could include a Jedi that survived the Purge or not. I doubt it, you will probably end up modeling Obi-Wan, a Purge survivor, with a career we will find in F&D. A.i. he wasn't just Force Sensitive, he was a Jedi. A Force Sensitive Exile is someone who knows something of the Force, is in hiding, and never has become a full Jedi.

So can an exile select from the same set of powers as an emergent?

Or do they have to buy the Emergent as an extra specialisation in the same career?

As for the careers other than Jedi, I'd figure there'd be a "mystic" career with specs based on traditions such as the Baran Do Sages and the Jal Shey, a "combat" career with Jensaari and Killian Rangers specs, a "primitive" career with Dathomir Witches and Fallanesi specs, a "physical career" with Matukai and Zeison Sha, and lastly a "dark side" career with specs for Believers and the Krath. Each of these would also have a "general purpose" specialization that's not tired directly to a tradition.

That's a good list of ideas. My fingers are now crossed for something along those lines.

So can an exile select from the same set of powers as an emergent?

Or do they have to buy the Emergent as an extra specialisation in the same career?

The only prereq listed is "Force Rating 1+." So Yes, an exile can take Enhance or even Farsee if they want. Speaking of Farsee…

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4g2qqtr6dgs0aa/ForceFarsee.jpg

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Farsee looks really vague.

Also, why the range upgrades? What does those do ?

Farsee looks really vague.

Also, why the range upgrades? What does those do ?

Always in motion is the future, so I'd assume it has to be vague. As for range upgrades, I have no idea whatsoever.

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Hey EldritchFire...thanks for posting those images. Not sure when Canada is getting the beta, but it was cool to see the Enhance tree.

Just one question for anyone who has the beta book on hand: for Enhance's "Commit 1 Force Die" control upgrades...does it work the same way as the Sense control upgrades insofar as you are only able to commit a maximum of ONE die, or can you commit more than one. Just wondering.

Thanks!

I believe you can commit 1 force die per force rating, if you want to.

I'd watch out about posting the pictures of the rules - FFG might not appreciate distribution of copies of the book.

Still, cheers.

Hopefully, a talented soul can take this info and make a pretty, custom version of it for us.

Hopefully, a talented soul can take this info and make a pretty, custom version of it for us.

Which would work, but it's still a bit on the iffy side to post all the talents/powers/etc for the Emergent, since it could make it so people don't need to buy the book to use them.

I want to see the final thing too, I really do, but we should really be patient and buy the thing if we want to see it, not just ask for copies of the careers from those who do.

To be clear, I wasn't asking for the FSEm tree... I was suggesting that someone could throw together a new version of the power trees that are already posted so we're not dealing with actual photos of the product...

What I was saying though is that people shouldn't post so many rules (photos or home-made trees) that people don't need the book to use the powers. If people want to see detailed info (such as full power trees, etc), they should buy the beta.

No one asked to see the trees; they just asked questions about them. I do not see one post of "Oh, I don't want to buy the beta! Gimme now!"

As for people posting rules... There are at least a half dozen different people posting the contents of the talent trees and power trees for EotE and it doesn't seem to have been problematic. If anything, for the most part, this is good press for the game.

Live and let live.

Just to be clear, do I have to buy both specializations in order to access the non-shared Force powers or just the Force talents?

I would have thought you'd have to buy into Emergent to use Enhance and Foresee, or does membership in the specialisation merely grant you access to the talent tree (meaning that ALL powers can be purchased by ANY Force-Sensitive specialisation)?

There's nothing in the FSE spec itself that references the Force powers. If I were GMing it, I'd say that any character with a Force Rating of 1+ has access to any force power.

There's nothing in the FSE spec itself that references the Force powers. If I were GMing it, I'd say that any character with a Force Rating of 1+ has access to any force power.

I'd go the other way, and make the powers individual to each spec. This way you have to make a choice between which one to go with, or go with both. Otherwise it allows you to stock up on lots of powers for cheaper than I'd like it.

There's nothing in the FSE spec itself that references the Force powers. If I were GMing it, I'd say that any character with a Force Rating of 1+ has access to any force power.

This. The only prerequisite listed for each Force Power is Force Rating 1+. Anyone with a FR can take any of the current Force powers with no restrictions, aside from XP cost, of course.

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There's nothing in the FSE spec itself that references the Force powers. If I were GMing it, I'd say that any character with a Force Rating of 1+ has access to any force power.

This. The only prerequisite listed for each Force Power is Force Rating 1+. Anyone with a FR can take any of the current Force powers with no restrictions, aside from XP cost, of course.

-EF

However, that might be because the beta doesn't contain any information on how to cross EotE with AoR, and so assumes standalone use, not crossover. It's entirely possible such an addition might be made if the full book contains that crossover info.