I just want to bounce this off of you guys. In a game with limited visibility, soldiers cannot be seen more than 16" away. It says burst and spray weapons (long tom is a burst weapon) are not affected by this. Mechs can be discerned however. So if a command squad gives itself an order to fire the long tom, the radio man or miniature with artillary strike will have to have line of sight to a mech from any distance. But to fire the long tom at a soldier unit he must be within 16 inches and have LOS. While the long tom is a burst weapon, it still counts on visability and line of sight of a unit with the artillary strike ability. So I am to assume then that a Lothar could do a direct shot with a nebblewerfer (spray weapon) at troops more than 16" away, but a indirect attack would have to relay on an artillery man within 16" LOS of the enemy.

It is either the above, or it is worded the way it is so that artillery will always be able to fire in limited visibility.

Thoughts?

Sorry, I spelled visibility wrong, and double posted. How do I delete the extra thread?

Ordinary A-weapon cant shoot to Soldiers far from 16" range, Long Tom and other Burst weapon - can.

Yeah I don't see anything that would stop the long tom with limited vis, it's burst…

So, a Lothar can shoot its Nebelwerfer indirectly using artillery strike with limited visibility?. Sounds odd.

I think the Lothar can shoot directly, since its Spray, but not the Long Tom nor the Lothar using "A" range, since the line of sight is traced from an observer.

Fire for Effect order is given to a unit with the Artillery Strike ability. Line of sight is drawn from that unit. If the target is within the 16" limited sight visibility range from the unit with the order, then the Long Tom should be able to fire.

Artillery draw line of sight from the miniature with the Artillery Strike ability. If the target is within the 16" limited visibility, then the Lothar could indirect fire.

Maverickg said:

Yeah, i think so. But some pleople in the thread was proposing the Long Tom to be able to fire afar from the 16'' limited visibility as it is a Burst Weapon.

It's burst, but it depends on an artillery unit. What is the point of limited visibility if almost everything can fire?

It basically stops snipers.

Reducing the Line of sight from Artillery Strike units is significant. Indirect fire may still be used, but the choice of targets is less and you have to put the Artillery Strike unit in harms way to indirectly fire.

The NebelWerfer with direct fire can still shoot a max 36 inches at a soldier unit then? Even though soldier units are not visible more than 16 to anyone without a burst weapon? Do you see the paradox here?

It's just another crazy rule that does not make any sense at all.

I am thinking this is an oversight on the part of the game designers. Most burst and spray weapons have shorter ranges than 36". (I only quickly scanned the units in the main rule book) Interestingly, the nebelwerfer does not act exactly like other spray weapons.

Anyway, it would appear that the exception for burst/spray weapons to the Limited Visibility condition is due to them being area of effect, but I do not see how that overcomes the condition unless they feel that you could aim at the area where you "think" enemy units are. I would disagree with that interpretation, but it is the only rationale I could come up with.

You could bombard an area with artillery, but doing so blindly would erase any accuracy. Since indirect fire in Dust Warfare relies on LOS, and not templates, burst and spray should not be exceptions IMHO. You could not normally fire these weapons on targets that could not be seen.

I would also continue to argue that the indirect fire order, Fire For Effect order, is given to a unit other than the unit actually using the weapon, so then the limited visibility condition should apply.

I would like to see FFG's explanation on that. Could potentially be an Errata.