Hi all,

I was wondering about possible upcoming releases for the Tannhauser game. Since I really like the universe, I'd like to see more Reich and Union heroes. The Field Ops card game based on the Tannhauser universe completes the game's background. The following characters would make a nice addition to the game and would most likely look great in miniature form (the art is very appealing) :

Reich

- Baron Von Karloff

- Freya Von Karloff

- the Eisendivision

- Behemoth

- Frankenstahl Golem

- Panzertruppen

Union

- James Curtis Edison

- Sergeant Drake Harrison

- Sahko Aponi

- the Hurricane trooper

- Jumping Tigers

- Spearheads

Some rules for outdoor maps could be created for the flight and parachute jumps.

Moreover, I would like to see a Union hero that is specialized in hand to hand. It would complement the Union team since there's already sharpshooters, a heavy gunman and explosive devices specialists. A Union hero that could undertake the role of a hand-to-hand fighter would be great. I was thinking about a native american with two knives (these dual knives could grant him an additional dice in close combat).

Now for the Reich : on one hand I really like the Obskura Korps with the Stosstruppen and Otto since they have this demonic aspect. It would be great to see more of these guys. Maybe an equivalent from Itami for the Reich would look great (a sort of demon a bit taller than a human). On the other hand it would be nice to see more characters from the Blutsturm division such as Yula and Eva Kramer.

The shogunate looks very appealing as well and I can't wait to see more of it! I hope to see more characters like Itami and Mizu.

What would you guys like to see in the future?

The first thing I would like to see is not an expansion but the second version of the FAQ!, then some official multiplayer rules.

It would be great to have some more shogunate minis as well and some other mercs, enough minis to have a merc faction would be cool, a Merc Trooper pack for instance!

I dont agree with the union H-t-H specialist, I think each faction has a "flavour" and its not meant to have a bit of everything. That keeps them different not only from the looks but also from the tactics they use. The H-tH guys are the Shogunate, Union are the ranged based, dumb, techies. Reich mental out of path attackers and Matriarchy... well... dont have a definition for them yet

The upcoming expansion that I look forward more is the matriarchy troop pack.

Also I dont care that much aboout epic heroes, Asteros proved to be too unbalancing and not much fun, well see about natalya.

Asura wrote: Field Ops...

I agree. It would be great if FFG made all the Field Ops and other TOY characters.

Moebius wrote: I dont agree with the Union HTH specialist... each faction has a "flavour" and its not meant to have a bit of everything.

I feel the same way about the way each faction has its own style of play. The Union has its firepower and grenades. The Reich has a turtle-style of play with its out of path attacks, the various hermetica, and troopers who can help block chokepoints. The Matriarchy has more of an assault and support style with characters like Zor'ka who lead from the front and others like Irina and the Voivodes who support her. It seems like the soon-to-be-released ammo troopers will also fill a support role. The Shogunate currently has the melee and stealth style.

Obviously, there's room to mix and match some of these styles, so a Union character with some HTH abilities would be all right, but I would not want FFG to go overboard. I prefer to have 4 distinct factions rather than 4 factions that are more or less the same.

Well, I don't think only one hand-to-hand fighter will change the Union's style. Adding possibilities and diversity is always a good thing. I'm not quiet sure that adding only gunmen to the Union would be a good idea on the long term.

I just have this great picture in my mind of a native american (apache) that would fight with either a knife or a tomahawk and that would wear Union clothes and gear. He could be like Wolf (one gun and one close combat weapon). The tomahawk could work a bit like Asteros' axe (i.e. he could throw it and pick it up after). I rather see Tannhauser with role-specific characters within squads rather than characters within specific squads. You can still have the essence of the faction, but you can add some diversity and think out of the box.

Asteros is a very cool concept and I would enjoy seeing more mythological creatures in the game as long as it is well integrated in Tannhauser's background. I liked the drawing of Asteros with the two knives / cleavers. Maybe one day FFG will release this version of Asteros and make an alternative version of the beast that would be part of the Obskura Korps / Reich.

Let's see what we will get in the future, but I think it's always nice to have fans expressing their dreams and desires. It also shows the reasons why people are fan of the universe and the game. As I stated before, I am mainly fan because it's a boardgame with miniatures , the reason why I would enjoy seeing more single packs.

Well actually the shogunate does have a very competent ranged character and it does not hurt the playstyle that much.

When playing shogunate I pick the Shin agent with stamina pack, then I give it an automatic weapon via bonus token and you have a character that often rolls 7 dice on ranged attacks :-)

I want Sahko Aponi, since it would mean a deeper exploration of Talas indian roots. And because Sahko is a healer in Field OPS she would probably be something similuar in Tannhäuser. And god knows The Union could really use one of those

asura said:

As I said in my earlier post, I DO think there is room to mix and match some of the play styles as long as FFG does not go overboard. For that matter, I'd be happy to see your Native American soldier added to the Union mix. Anyway, in addition to the Field Ops characters mentioned above, I'd also like to see the Third Matriarchy Battle Suit, Feldmarschall Verra Komstfelder, Hauptmann van der Ageer, characters from the League of Assassins and Vatican Cathedral Forces.

For additions from outside of the TOY background, I'd like to see Jack Churchill , a real-life British Soldier who Carried a Bow and Claymore in WWII, and some of the other factions that are (or should be) involved in the war. Since I have a bunch of customs on paper, ideally FFG would just make the figures to fit my ideas... =P

Moebius said:

I know it's off topic, but I need to know: Which bonus token do you use to give the Shin agent an automatic weapon? I really need this token too!

I have the equipment cards, I got there loads of bonus tokens, there are three tokens you can use:

Sten Mark II (I think it comes with wolf), Trench gun (Novgorod) and Weapons Cache (Hoax) the last one lets you choose a crate equipment token.

Plan B (my favourite), Pick the stamina pack, drop the pistol and pick the x-5nr stabilizer (coming with oksana, lets you reroll 2 attack dice) and then on the first opportunity (first turn) change the medikit for the ashigaru automatic weapon or for one of the above that you picked with a different hero, for example iroh. With that setup you get to roll basically 9 dice (I assume you at least fail 2 of the first 7 dice, on average you fail 3 or 4) that then offers an average of 4,5 successes, 5,5 if you spend a CP in giving a combat stat bonus to the character. (I am assuming the shin agent is not wounded). If i went for the ashigaru weapon I then throw the Ashigaru grenade at the first chance and look for a weapon for him, he can use the medikit on someone meanwhile.

Having equipment cards instead of every expansion (I own some but not all) is a boon but there is a bit of rules missing, some of the above mentioned tokens might be restricted to a faction and I am not aware of that restrictions. Only the tokens restricted to a unique hero are reflected in this expansion rules.The included clarification sheet does not offer more help.

I asked once in this forum and nobody told me that the ones I mentioned were restricted.

I'm sorry to say that, but I think the Sten Mark II and the Trench gun bonus tokens actually have a crate on their backs so you can't give them to a character before the game starts, you can only find them in a crate. I'm also quite sure the Weapons cache is restricted to Union characters. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I' really like to give some characters automatic weapons.

And just to get back to the topic again: I think it's one of the cool points of Tannhäuser that all the factions are different and have their own advantages and disadvantages, but a single character that doesn't fit that theme certainly would not destroy their play style. So even if you had a Union melee specialist, you'd play a team with one melee hero, two gunfighter heroes and two gunfighter troopers. That would not change your tactic that much.

So I'd say the Union should get a melee fighter and the Shogunate and the Reich a ranged fighter, especially the Reich a non-demonic, non-occult ranged fighter. There are normal soldiers with guns in the Reich, aren't there? Maybe it would be enough if only one of there equipment packs would center on their "exotic" play style. The Apache mentioned before could have one equipment pack focusing on melee weapons and advantages, one focusing on healing and one with a sniper rifle or whatever.

For those who might not know it, I wanted to add some visuals from Field Ops :

For the Reich, it would be great to have Baron Von Karloff in miniature (the concept art is really cool) :

And maybe Freya Von Karloff as well for more range :

The Frankenstahl Golem (which you can see on the Field Ops Box) :

The Eisen Division :

The Behemot :

The Panzertruppen :

And what could have possibly be some hero or troop for the Reich (Take on You concept for the Tannhauser Game) :

And this one for the Union, the Hurricane troopers (who have the same sort of knife as Hoax) :

Jumping Tigers (with the outdoor maps, I think there could be cool movement rules, they could appear where needed on the battlefield) :

Sahko Aponi :

James Curtis Edison :

Sergeant Drake Harrison :

Spearheads :

What do you guys think about these visuals?

We've had this discussion before, you can see many of these images on my blog, along with some brief character descriptions.

http://miah000.blogspot.com/2011/02/rampant-speculation-and-failed.html

Also the Reich hero with the sword is Unteroffizer Van Der Hageer, he's somtimes been called Officer van der Ageer, and Hauptman van der Ageer, but from what I know he's an "under officer" which is more like a Sergeant than a Captain or any other rank. He's the NCO that helped to recover rhe Patmos Amulet, and slew a demon with a sword. He actually has a lot of fluff text related to him, but I don't know how much of it was T.O.Y. official, and none of it is FFG cannon.

Just in case any one asks, the demon is Behemoth from Field Ops.

And the Spearhead walke is also from FO, but I think it's way to big to be in the Tannhauser board game, much like the Frankenstal Golems, but they might scale down to about Asteros size well.

asura said:

I'm a fan of the majority of the original TOY designs, and would like to see all of them in the game. For the Spearhead, I'd like FFG to make it less top-heavy though. I'm also not sure how easy it would be to incorporate the Spearhead or Frankenstahl Golem given their large size. Freya would also be difficult to portray because the pathfinder system does not really lend itself to rules for snipers. On the Ksiaz map she'd be what? Ten feet away from her target? =P

Those 3 could still work in Tannhauser, but it would probably take a Tannhauser Tabletop Wargame to really do them justice. I would not want them to make the Spearhead or Golem too small. Its really too bad that FFG decided to make Dust Tactics instead of Tannhauser Tactics...

Anyway, back to the visuals, the Reich trooper with the sword is Hauptmann Van der Ageer. My top choices from the original TOY designs would include him, Behemoth, the Frankenstahl Golem, the Baron, Freya, and Sahko Aponi. After that, I'd want Edison, Drake, the Panzertruppen, and Eisendivision. Ideally, there would also be some additional characters for the Matriarchy and Shogunate mixed with these.

Also, thanks for the pencil sketches. I had not seen those before.

??! said:

Thx for the clarification, it would be really helpful if someone clarified what does weapons cache token have in the back. Also I would like to know what do x-5nr stabilizerand mask of shamhain tokens show in the back.

I think that Its still worth to give ashigarus automatic weapon to the shin agent and hunt for a weapon afterwards.

I had never seen the artwok before, I now share your crave, it would be awesome to have thee minis, my personal favourites, the spearheads and freya von karloff.

I looked up the bonus tokens. The Weapons cache is inded restricted to Union characters, while the X5NR-Stabilizier and Mask of Samhain can be given to everybody. They have the Tannhäuser logo on their backs. And yes, you're right about giving ashigarus rifle to the Shin agent, that's well worth it.

And I definitely want Baron von Karloff, the Frankenstahl Golem and Behemoth to appear as Tannhäuser figures!

Despite what has been said about Epic Heroes, for the sake of consistency if they released one for the other factions, I think the Frankenstahl Golem could work for the Reich and the Spearhead for the Union perhaps.

Personally however, the Shogunate could really do with some more options (including troop pack) now that they're established.

Anna Korlitz, could be a Blutsturm agent with some mental abilities. What ever new content they create I just hope they continue supporting the old characters with new packs and bonus equipment.

First about Anna, I think she's dead, or at least MIA.

Now about Epics:

The Golem or Behemoth would both be good Epics for the Reich, both will scale down well.

For the Union I would rather see Major General Edison with his BFG. I still say the Spearhead will look silly tromping through the Castle, I think it's about 22 feet tall, it's just to big.

Who knows what will see for the Shogunate.

The Shogunate! It's what brought me back into Tannhauser. I think the Oni character is really cool and I would definitely like to see more characters like him.

Since it's not unique, I think the Frankenstahl Golem should not be granted the Epic title. The Spearheads are not my favourite units and I think they wouldn't fit to the Tannhauser game (too big like Miah says, maybe for a miniature game? ).

Baron Von Karloff with his Gatling Gun and his extensible fist or whatever close combat weapon it is, looks awesome! I would love such a bulky character for the Reich.

Miah999 said:

I don't think that being dead is an excuse for not serving the Reich or showing up as a Reich character!

??! said:

Exactly my point.

I bought this game to play with my kids and its been alot of fun.

I'm also not that interested in the "Epic" type of character(one off games, sure). However, I would like to see a few new character options for each faction, but alot can be done with new equipment packs. Maps and perhapes a skirmish type system might be fun. I left 40K awhile back because of the piles of special rules for each new Army release.

It would help if the various rules questions were clarified before they go expanding much more. In short, support what you have before expanding.

it would be awfully nice if they made a mini expansio with just extra packs, bonus tokens and character bonus tokens.

MeisterH said:

You're absolutely right! It would add a lot more new options than a pack with a single new character, would be quite inexpensive to produce (at least less expensive than a character pack) and a lot of people would buy it if it contained packs or bonus tokens for every faction. I want it!

I think I've asked for Bonus Packs every year since 2007, and so far nothing so I don't hold out any hope. When FFG first announced "Print on Demand" I thought a set of a about a dozen Bonus Tokens would be great but FFG has yet to fullfill my dream.

Maybe one day...