Adepticon 2021 Canceled

By TasteTheRainbow, in X-Wing

I doubt we will see any major tournaments in 2021.

I am curious to see how they adjust them once they resume.

I remember one adepticon system open where you needed to win 2 out of your first 3 to advance. I don't remember how it progressed after that because I promptly lost in the next stage.

I could see big tournaments using a similar method to expedite the cut.

39 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I'd settle for a permanent change in the psychology of coming into work sick "because I can't skip a day"/"they need me"/"I'll take one for the team."

This may be better encouraged by employers offering some sort of paid sick time. A lot of the folks who come in anyway don’t get paid when they don’t come in and either can’t or won’t use vacation days to allow for it.

2 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

This may be better encouraged by employers offering some sort of paid sick time. A lot of the folks who come in anyway don’t get paid when they don’t come in and either can’t or won’t use vacation days to allow for it.

My last employer didn’t track sickness days until you hit 5 consecutive days (because then it triggered short term leave). Surprisingly, people still almost never took sick days, and even then not typically several unless they were deathly ill.

I want conventions back just so I can watch the streams. I’m optimistic for 2H2021.

5 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

None. Distribution will take time.

2021 is probably a wash as well outside of local store events. Maybe we get something a bit bigger like Campaign against Cancer.

The real test will be how society adapts and moves on... what things change permanently, what things slowly come back, will we have mask mandates every flu season for illnesses etc.

I am fine with everybody becoming like Japan, with tons of people just having masks on.

Some others on two other sites, have mentioned, even with the vaccines they fear the mask mandates/lockdowns will continue all through 2021...

1 hour ago, LTuser said:

Some others on two other sites, have mentioned, even with the vaccines they fear the mask mandates/lockdowns will continue all through 2021...

^^^^
Maybe some other countries will be better off, but the US is going to be in lockdown a long while. My call is late 2022 most likely. Maybe early 2023?

17 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

^^^^
Maybe some other countries will be better off, but the US is going to be in lockdown a long while. My call is late 2022 most likely. Maybe early 2023?

This may be colored by a little wishful thinking, but I doubt it will last that long. Mid-2021 is my hope.

5 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

This may be colored by a little wishful thinking, but I doubt it will last that long. Mid-2021 is my hope.

My wife’s employer (hospital) has already told them they’re a priority group for the vaccine and may get it later this month. When I get mine we’re basically going back to normal, so I’m hoping not later than spring!

8 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

This may be colored by a little wishful thinking, but I doubt it will last that long. Mid-2021 is my hope.

I HOPE TO ****, it doesn't last all the way in to 2022.. or beyond..

I was so hoping this forum would be free of the face-diaper, err mask debate.

I have far too much info on the subject as it is in my very wheelhouse. I am truly sick of it, the whole "pandemic," pardon the pun. Is it a real virus? Yes. Is it more deadly than influenza? No.

After having to deal with the backend of this for practically 8 months, I'm getting angry. It is nothing more than politicians/corporate media playing physician, which is shockingly asinine. Worse yet, people swallow the information without hesitation and shame others that do not even though people like me can explain the scientific evidence and use for all implemented equipment, but it falls on death ears. The matrix is truly blinding. The saddest part is, the mandates have caused horrendous issues in peoples lives from economic hardships, bankruptcy, loss of friends and family, cancelling and delaying of cancer treatments and other surgeries, depression, increased drug use (legal and not), and the increase of suicide (especially among the young adults). After watching all these things happen in my extended community, while the numbers of deaths and cases are manipulated to cover the lies, I am sick of it all. Politicians and corporate media talking heads should be ashamed. We as critical thinkers should stop giving them our ear; they simply do not care about us, only their money and power, for which this plan was all hatched to protect.

Off soapbox.... I'll resume my light hearted nature about our beautiful game now.

Carry on... now where's my tea?

12 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:

Is it more deadly than influenza? No.

Despite face masks, social distancing, and quarantines reducing numbers, Covid has killed 1,570,000 worldwide with 20ish days left in the year to go to add more. On average, the flu kills between 290,000 to 650,000 per year. That means Covid has caused anywhere between 141% to 441% more deaths than the flu. If we take the median flu deaths of 470,000, Covid fatalities are greater than flu deaths by 234%.

18 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Despite face masks, social distancing, and quarantines reducing numbers, Covid has killed 1,570,000 worldwide with 20ish days left in the year to go to add more. On average, the flu kills between 290,000 to 650,000 per year. That means Covid has caused anywhere between 141% to 441% more deaths than the flu. If we take the median flu deaths of 470,000, Covid fatalities are greater than flu deaths by 234%.

And it's done that with almost every nation engaging in lockdowns, travel bans, and all manner of economic and public health measures. I would wager that had those measures not been taken, inconsistently deployed and adhered to as they were, we'd be facing a much greater direct death toll as well as greater loss of life from caused by the despair and economic ruin triggered by a spiraling pandemic.

Whether or not it’s more deadly than the flu, it’s definitely more infectious, meaning more people have the risk of dying. Sometimes quantity is a quality of its own.

Plus, we’ve had vaccines for the flu forever, which is why it’s not considered a big deal any more.

54 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Despite face masks, social distancing, and quarantines reducing numbers, Covid has killed 1,570,000 worldwide with 20ish days left in the year to go to add more. On average, the flu kills between 290,000 to 650,000 per year. That means Covid has caused anywhere between 141% to 441% more deaths than the flu. If we take the median flu deaths of 470,000, Covid fatalities are greater than flu deaths by 234%.

Your numbers are completely off, even the US CDC which isn't known for pushing complete information (as they have political ties) even will admit to as much. COVID tests are highly inaccurate and the vast majority of those who actually die with a positive COVID result (showing antibodies) have multiple comorbidities that, if autopsied at all (and they never are), would likely expose the actual cause of death that points clearly away from the virus being the driver. In addition, look at the world-wide "statistics" of influenza over the past 8 months in contrast to the 10 years leading up; the flu has magically gone way down in cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Wow, it's almost cured itself?!? Talk to any pulmonologist, virologist, or even someone in the microbiology field that deals with these common invaders -off the record sadly as many are warry of bucking the money train- about what they really think about this "pandemic." Be sure to buy them a pint and one for you, as it will be an eye opening talk that will put you at ease while boiling your blood, hence the usefulness of a good stout.

Remember the old adage (especially when media is involved), "there are lies, **** lies, and statistics." (thanks for your grand pen Samuel)

3 hours ago, AceDogbert said:

And it's done that with almost every nation engaging in lockdowns, travel bans, and all manner of economic and public health measures. I would wager that had those measures not been taken, inconsistently deployed and adhered to as they were, we'd be facing a much greater direct death toll as well as greater loss of life from caused by the despair and economic ruin triggered by a spiraling pandemic.

Which makes you wonder then, IF MASKS, social distancing/lockdowns etc, are supposed to STOP IT, why then do so many STILL get it?

10 minutes ago, LTuser said:

Which makes you wonder then, IF MASKS, social distancing/lockdowns etc, are supposed to STOP IT, why then do so many STILL get it?

...because not everyone is sensible enough to WEAR MASKS, practice responsible social distancing, respect lockdowns or even wash their hands.

Some people don't listen to the experts. Some think "it'll never happen to me" or that "masks don't work" or "it's a fuss over nothing" and - God forbid - "it"s no more dangerous than influenza and the numbers are completely off".

And, unfortunately, these Darwin award nominees are the ones who end up screwing over everyone they come into contact with.

Don't interact with redhats like clanofwolves. While, unlike Covid, he's neither contagious nor deadly, his skull is ray-shielded against any actual facts.

1 hour ago, LTuser said:

Which makes you wonder then, IF MASKS, social distancing/lockdowns etc, are supposed to STOP IT, why then do so many STILL get it?

When people die from jumping out of a plane even when they have parachutes, it doesn't mean that we abandon parachutes.

Masks and distancing minimize transmission, but do not stop it, as you posited.

4 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

Your numbers are completely off, even the US CDC which isn't known for pushing complete information (as they have political ties) even will admit to as much.

Can you show me where the CDC tracks worldwide deaths? I am unable to find those numbers from them.

4 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

look at the world-wide "statistics" of influenza over the past 8 months in contrast to the 10 years leading up; the flu has magically gone way down in cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

It's almost as if face masks and social distancing reduce the chances of contracting a disease. Of course the numbers are going to go down. Every communicable disease is likely going to see a decline this year, because of reduced contact and increased protection. Additionally, if Covid kills the more susceptible, high-risk patients, influenza cannot kill what is already dead. Certainly, plenty of co-morbidity cases are likely under-investigated, but that is partially because Covid is killing off so many people that treatment is taking precedence over paperwork.

As someone that has recovered from Covid and has lost family members to Covid, please, ease your foot off of the conspiracy theory pedal.

Edited by 5050Saint

WHO actually tracks death numbers. And guess what, they are underestimates.

As people like Putin, Erdagon and Bolzonaro do not like the real numbers, which show a problematic situation. So a lot of people are dying in Russia due to "unspecified lung problems".

4 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

So a lot of people are dying in Russia due to "unspecified lung problems".

Or from "falling out of hospital windows" allegedly. Doctors and medical professionals who have expressed concerns, apparently.

Even a cursory glance at the "official" figures would suggest serious under reporting in certain sectors. And generally, the more impoverished the country, the more likely they are to be underreported as access to medical care and testing becomes much more limited.

With the reported figures as high as they are, the implications become pretty horrifying.

Time will tell, but history isn't likely to look very favourably on Covid-deniers and anti-maskers. At least flat earthers aren't putting everyone around them at risk.

1 hour ago, LTuser said:

Which makes you wonder then, IF MASKS, social distancing/lockdowns etc, are supposed to STOP IT, why then do so many STILL get it?

These measures are intended to reduce/control the rate of spread of infections, not stop it dead.

From my observations (being an bone fide expert, as I'm on the internet), the majority of those catching the virus are those who either aren't taking the guidance seriously (see: those wearing masks while leaving their nose uncovered, or insisting on attending mass gatherings where social distancing is impossible) or those whose living circumstances prevent them from 'avoiding' it (if you live in an overcrowded multi-generational household, or can't afford to self-isolate/take time off sick).

9 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

Despite face masks, social distancing, and quarantines reducing numbers, Covid has killed 1,570,000 worldwide with 20ish days left in the year to go to add more. On average, the flu kills between 290,000 to 650,000 per year. That means Covid has caused anywhere between 141% to 441% more deaths than the flu. If we take the median flu deaths of 470,000, Covid fatalities are greater than flu deaths by 234%.

Actually influenza is a very homicidal virus. The numbers you get from the CDC or WHO are estimates because they just don't know. Massive wide spread testing for influenza is simply not a thing because it is not a big news story. There is no funding for wide spread testing. Also influenza is often the first in a series of respiratory infections and kills the same group of people other respiratory infections kills like COVID 19. This happens in populations which have been vaccinated against influenza. These types of infections are the leading cause of death of those under 5 years of age, which COVID19 itself is not much of a factor. The one lesson we need to learn from all of this is respiratory infections are bad, influenza is bad and should not be down played and people commonly die of respiratory infections. Sweden which is just now starting to lock down and mandate masks, is on track to have a record death toll this year, by about 1-3% above average. So when you see these news stories about people dying of respiratory infections, everyone should know this happens every single year . This year we will see a slight up tick in deaths and many of those excess deaths won't be from COVID 19 itself.

11 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

the vast majority of those who actually die with a positive COVID result (showing antibodies) have multiple comorbidities that, if autopsied at all (and they never are), would likely expose the actual cause of death that points clearly away from the virus being the driver

If you had a comorbidity that allows COVID to kill you today rather than dying of say, heart disease next year, YOU DIED OF COVID.

It's like saying, if I hit a tree with my car and die, but I had diabetes when I got in the car, then my cause of death was not a vehicular fatality, it was actually diabetes, because I had that first.

Edited by Darth Meanie
1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

If you had a comorbidity that allows COVID to kill you today rather than dying of say, heart disease next year, YOU DIED OF COVID.

It's like saying, if I hit a tree with my car and die, but I had diabetes when I got in the car, then my cause of death was not a vehicular fatality, it was actually diabetes, because I had that first.

High blood sugar can cause you to crash your car. Death certificates in the US have 4 fields for filling the cause of death, ranked in order of most acute/dire plus an additional field for listing other co-morbidities. There are many people due to poor health that are one infection from death. A good example is cancer. Most people who die of cancer don't necessarily die of direct organ failure due to cancer. The usual killers are infection, drug toxicity or opium over dose. The stay in nursing homes is typically not long. They don't go there to be youthify and get out, they go there to die. They are hospice care for those with terminal geriatric conditions. They too are one infection from death. Death from "natural causes" or "died after a short illness" usually means they died from an infection any normal healthy person would otherwise survive. The great exception is generally some kind of infarction. So when you hear 160,000 people die of COPD each year in the US, many of them died from both COPD and infection. Rarely does just one thing get someone. It is usually a combination, like a tree, a car and high blood sugar.

A small percentage of those COVID deaths are just the virus. Most deaths are from a combination of ailments including COVID. So when you hear about excess deaths this year and that number is smaller than COVID deaths and smaller still when accounting for the excess deaths not directly due to COVID, it is because a large portion of those COVID deaths were going to happen this year, no matter what. That is when you are dealing with a population of people of course. There are plenty of individuals one can point to and say, probably would have made it a few more years had they not got COVID. That is of course impossible to know for certain but plausible.


8 hours ago, AceDogbert said:

These measures are intended to reduce/control the rate of spread of infections, not stop it dead.

From my observations (being an bone fide expert, as I'm on the internet), the majority of those catching the virus are those who either aren't taking the guidance seriously (see: those wearing masks while leaving their nose uncovered, or insisting on attending mass gatherings where social distancing is impossible) or those whose living circumstances prevent them from 'avoiding' it (if you live in an overcrowded multi-generational household, or can't afford to self-isolate/take time off sick).

So why then are we seeing MORE folk seeming to catch it, the past 2 + months, than in the preecding 6??