Cad Bane tokens vs. Iden & ID10

By Mace Windu, in Rules

They seem like simple questions but can't find a definitive answer anywhere, or at least one that doesn't feel like cheating haha.

First question, if you finish a move with Iden outside of range 1 of a Bane token (and outside of line of sight of it too) but then cohere ID10 within R1 and in LOS of the token will it trigger the Bane token? the rules say any mini can trigger the reveal of a bane token, I can only assume this includes ID10.

If the answer to the first question is yes and it also happens to be Bane's Kablamo token will ID10 take any damage? I assume Small would protect ID10 but would feel a bit weird that it can trigger the token but not take damage from the blast.

Of course the intention was to trigger banes Kablamo without risk of taking any damage but just feels like its not how its meant to work.

Edited by Mace Windu

Your evaluation is in fact true, ID10 is the perfect minesweeper, you don't even need to put Iden Out of los, Out of range suffices. That also works on minefield. Not sure if this was intended like that so it might change on the future

It's just a loophole in rules. Mines just explodes and hits everything in its radius. To be protected from explosion, a unit should have immune: rage 1 weapons like T-47.

It does make some amount of sense though that a probe Droid makes for a good minesweeper though, whether or not the interaction is intentional.

5 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

It does make some amount of sense though that a probe Droid makes for a good minesweeper though, whether or not the interaction is intentional.

It will be interesting to see if the CIS probe droid works the same way.

2 minutes ago, Lochlan said:

It will be interesting to see if the CIS probe droid works the same way.

I doubt it. They are a separate unit, and a unit with the Small keyword would be effectively invincible.

11 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I doubt it. They are a separate unit, and a unit with the Small keyword would be effectively invincible.

Do you mean the ones that come with Maul or the one in the specialists pack?
I think the Viper probe droid in the specialists pack will be a personnel upgrade, not a separate unit.

9 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Do you mean the ones that come with Maul or the one in the specialists pack?
I think the Viper probe droid in the specialists pack will be a personnel upgrade, not a separate unit.

I thought he was talking about Maul's droids, but now I see he was probably talking about the specialist.

3 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I thought he was talking about Maul's droids, but now I see he was probably talking about the specialist.

That's fair, they are both probe droids.
Having Maul's droids be invulnerable but unable to interact with objectives could be interesting, if they had a caveat of being removed when Maul is removed, or at least provided some way to bypass "small."

On 9/28/2020 at 3:38 PM, arnoldrew said:

I thought he was talking about Maul's droids, but now I see he was probably talking about the specialist.

Yeah, I was talking about the specialist. I kinda forgot Maul's probe droids even exist (will exist?).

Well, this should not work.

Small says you ignore that mini for determining line of sight.

In order to trigger a mine or a bane token, you have to be in that token line of sight.

But for the small rule you don't consider the small mini.

Therefore there is nothing that can trigger the token.

2 minutes ago, toffolone said:

Well, this should not work.

Small says you ignore that mini for determining line of sight.

In order to trigger a mine or a bane token, you have to be in that token line of sight.

But for the small rule you don't consider the small mini.

Therefore there is nothing that can trigger the token.

Incorrect. It says you ignore it for line of site during an attack . Determining whether a mine or Bane token activates is not performing an attack.

1 hour ago, toffolone said:

Well, this should not work.

Small says you ignore that mini for determining line of sight.

In order to trigger a mine or a bane token, you have to be in that token line of sight.

But for the small rule you don't consider the small mini.

Therefore there is nothing that can trigger the token.

The last bullet point in small is what makes it work

• The small keyword is used only during ranged attack.

Triggering a token is not considered a ranged attack, so you measure to the miniature as normal, then you trigger the detonation which is a range attack, so now they have to ignore the small mini when drawing range/los.
It’s a dirty tactic, but currently legal.

As of the latest RRG this had changed. Small specifically calls out non-area attacks

• When determining line of sight during a non-area attack,

ignore each mini with the small keyword in the defending

unit. Determine line of sight to that unit as normal for all

other effects.

On 12/4/2020 at 2:04 PM, rehlow2 said:

As of the latest RRG this had changed. Small specifically calls out non-area attacks

• When determining line of sight during a non-area attack,

ignore each mini with the small keyword in the defending

unit. Determine line of sight to that unit as normal for all

other effects.

Nice