On 5/8/2020 at 5:46 PM, Nytwyng said:

Likewise. I use them for idea and material mines, but the only pre-written adventure I’ve run is Debts to Pay from the GM Kit.

This. I have them all, have read them all, but the only “official” adventures i have run were the beginner sets, Long Arm of the Hutt and Rescue at Glare Peak (and that was as sort of as a point of pride after I bought a hard-copy on eBay).

I like the adventures well enough and have stolen plenty of elements from them, just never run one “as is” but would love, love, love some adventure compendiums like WEG used to do and like Modiphius are currently doing with Star Trek Adventures.

Talking of Modiphius, Edge could win over a lot of fans by publishing an ongoing and interconnected series of adventures die free (STA’s “Living Campaign”).

On 5/8/2020 at 6:46 PM, Nytwyng said:

Likewise. I use them for idea and material mines, but the only pre-written adventure I’ve run is Debts to Pay from the GM Kit.

I think if they set up the adventures as a bunch of modular encounters that would be awesome

On 5/7/2020 at 12:03 AM, vilainn6 said:

Edge, at least the french part that it I know of, it also publish translated board games and RPG of other compagnies. So the 3 RPG they will get from FFFG will just add on top of all the other games they are working one. They are also very slow at releasing stuff. The french translation of this Star wars rpg is still at Lead the Example and Nexus of Power. So, Unless Asmodee hire a whole new team, I am afraid it would take a while before we see a new book, especially if they have the L5R and Zombicide RPG to work on also.

Well, this is certainly interesting... Guess it helps to manage expectations.

1 hour ago, Harlock999 said:

Well, this is certainly interesting... Guess it helps to manage expectations.

Many people working for Edge have a long experience in creating RPGs, like Sébastien Célerin or Sandy Julien. Their works might not be know in the USA, but here in France they've a good reputation as author, and they've been in the business since the 90's.

37 minutes ago, WolfRider said:

Many people working for Edge have a long experience in creating RPGs, like Sébastien Célerin or Sandy Julien. Their works might not be know in the USA, but here in France they've a good reputation as author, and they've been in the business since the 90's.

It’s my understanding they’re the original developers of The End of the World RPG published by FFG in the US.

Given that many of the SWRPG devs did so freelance, there’s nothing to prevent Edge from tapping a lot of the same talent and their knowledge and familiarity. The biggest question is when and to what extent Asmodee made the shift known internally, allowing Edge to start building their infrastructure.

On 5/10/2020 at 4:34 PM, Daeglan said:

I think if they set up the adventures as a bunch of modular encounters that would be awesome

Encounters & Engagements?

Naaah. Too long.

How about Alien Encounters?

Could be a massive book with alien species, and each species has an adventure hook or modular encounter?

9 hours ago, Rimsen said:

Encounters & Engagements?

Naaah. Too long.

How about Alien Encounters?

Could be a massive book with alien species, and each species has an adventure hook or modular encounter?

43 minutes ago, Shendo3000 said:

How about Alien Encounters?

Could be a massive book with alien species, and each species has an adventure hook or modular encounter?

That would be awesome. Not likely but awesome. Similar to Allies and Adversaries, and it could include a write up for each species (you know, Life on the Fringe, Life in the Alliance, etc.).

At this point, just a press release would be nice.

The books I’ve found particularly useful as a GM have been those that had modular adventures in them - Suns of Fortune, Lords of Nal Hutta, Strongholds of Resistance and Nexus of Power.

Just adding another voice in case anyone from Edge Studios is watching.

I would very much like to see a second or revised edition. The game is mostly great as-is for very short and focused campaigns, however, for longer campaigns the character creation rules need a little adjustment, starship combat and vehicle customization rules need a lot of work, and the rules for everything related to the force need some work.

These could be fixed via a large errata document, or even three or four "rules options" style books, but I don't think those would provide the longevity for the game that a new edition might provide. Same dice system (even though the custom dice do dissuade a lot of potential players), just a lot of refining.

An online character and campaign tracker would also be helpful in bringing in new players, and would help a lot for younger players who expect to be able to use their phones to track characters. DnD Beyond is the only reason I can tolerate 5th edition, and is the main reason younger players I know prefer DnD 5th over all other games. Not losing all of your character information because of losing a few pieces of paper or having computer problems is going to be a requirement in the future to get a teenage to even be wiling to try a game; same for online die rollers and virtual tabletops. If they can't provide any sort of online content at all, then only us older fans will even be willing to consider buying the books.

1 minute ago, sren said:

An online character and campaign tracker would also be helpful in bringing in new players, and would help a lot for younger players who expect to be able to use their phones to track characters. DnD Beyond is the only reason I can tolerate 5th edition, and is the main reason younger players I know prefer DnD 5th over all other games. Not losing all of your character information because of losing a few pieces of paper or having computer problems is going to be a requirement in the future to get a teenage to even be wiling to try a game; same for online die rollers and virtual tabletops. If they can't provide any sort of online content at all, then only us older fans will even be willing to consider buying the books.

Convince LFL, Asmodee/Edge, and EA that they should all sit down to renegotiate the terms of their respective licenses for this to happen. Such an online tool would almost certainly fall under the terms that remain part of EA’s video/electronic gaming license.

Spoiler alert: There’s no incentive for EA to have the terms of their license changed in such a way that will only benefit another company. While they have no use for such a resource, they also wouldn’t want to open the door for other terms of the agreement to be changed that would be to their detriment. There’s precedent for such license modifications with LFL coming out worse for the licensee, such as when the toy contract was altered in the past; it went from a license for Kenner to print money to one that was far less lucrative because of the new, larger cut taken by LFL.

It may lead to inconveniences for the audience that these contracts largely haven’t changed in decades, but one or more parties directly involved in them are content to keep them that way.

3 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

It may lead to inconveniences for the audience that these contracts largely haven’t changed in decades, but one or more parties directly involved in them are content to keep them that way.

I know EA doesn't have a ton of motivation, but teenage audience members are an absolute requirement for the game line to continue, and as things stand now, once they discover DnD Beyond, their attitude is "I won't, under any circumstances become an audience member for a game without online character tracking". I know some of these teenagers, and their parents (also gamers) agree that they now prefer DnD Beyond, with all of its problems over any other game system purely because of the ease provided by online content. Not having online character trackers means the game line will die completely when us old folks no longer have groups to play with. (Nursing homes also aren't going to support large book collections for our gaming habits)

4 minutes ago, sren said:

I know EA doesn't have a ton of motivation, but teenage audience members are an absolute requirement for the game line to continue, and as things stand now, once they discover DnD Beyond, their attitude is "I won't, under any circumstances become an audience member for a game without online character tracking". I know some of these teenagers, and their parents (also gamers) agree that they now prefer DnD Beyond, with all of its problems over any other game system purely because of the ease provided by online content. Not having online character trackers means the game line will die completely when us old folks no longer have groups to play with. (Nursing homes also aren't going to support large book collections for our gaming habits)

There’s no “but” to it. Ignoring that there are plenty of RPGs on the market without any sort of official electronic support like you mention, how would you make such support happen for this game? Legally, it can’t be done under the current license agreements. And, as you acknowledge, there’s absolutely no reason for EA to open up their contract for revision to allow Asmodee/Edge to do it legally; it wouldn’t benefit them in the least. (Assuming that all parties would agree to sit down for such renegotiations when one of the contracts would likely be in the middle of its term.)

On 5/17/2020 at 9:33 PM, Rimsen said:

Encounters & Engagements?

Naaah. Too long.

If you do it line specific modular encounters:

EotE - "Debts to Pay"

AoR - "Wars to Wage"

FaD - "Disturbances in the Force"

2 hours ago, sren said:

I know EA doesn't have a ton of motivation, but teenage audience members are an absolute requirement for the game line to continue, and as things stand now, once they discover DnD Beyond, their attitude is "I won't, under any circumstances become an audience member for a game without online character tracking". I know some of these teenagers, and their parents (also gamers) agree that they now prefer DnD Beyond, with all of its problems over any other game system purely because of the ease provided by online content. Not having online character trackers means the game line will die completely when us old folks no longer have groups to play with. (Nursing homes also aren't going to support large book collections for our gaming habits)

Have you seen oggdudes character in the another character generator thread? it is available.

51 minutes ago, Edgookin said:

If you do it line specific modular encounters:

EotE - "Debts to Pay"

AoR - "Wars to Wage"

FaD - "Disturbances in the Force"

Doubt they’d duplicate the Debts To Pay name used in the GM Kit adventure.

42 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Have you seen oggdudes character in the another character generator thread? it is available.

Yes; both games groups I'm in use it, but the group with teenagers and more technophile members only sees it barely tolerable. It is not a flaw with the tool oggdude created that they don't like; it is that your information isn't stored online, cannot be accessed from a smartphone/tablet, isn't updated soon after a new supplement is released AND does not have descriptions of talents. It also has the flaw that making custom things for the group (like a stock ship with particular attachments) isn't easily or quickly sharable.

Oggdudes tool is AWESOME, but it won't be enough to save a game that is forbidden all electronic support. It is the only game I've played in the past few years that you can't even get legit books for electronically. As an old guy, I like the stack of books on the table, the next generation and technophiles of all ages demand electronic media. As a star wars fan, its scary to see the game dying and even other star wars fans are just not willing to play because the lack of electronic support is offensive to them. (Equally scary to see players who don't like DnD, specifically dislike the 5th edition rules, still PREFER to play DnD 5th edition purely because of DnD Beyond)

30 minutes ago, sren said:

Yes; both games groups I'm in use it, but the group with teenagers and more technophile members only sees it barely tolerable. It is not a flaw with the tool oggdude created that they don't like; it is that your information isn't stored online, cannot be accessed from a smartphone/tablet, isn't updated soon after a new supplement is released AND does not have descriptions of talents. It also has the flaw that making custom things for the group (like a stock ship with particular attachments) isn't easily or quickly sharable.

Oggdudes tool is AWESOME, but it won't be enough to save a game that is forbidden all electronic support. It is the only game I've played in the past few years that you can't even get legit books for electronically. As an old guy, I like the stack of books on the table, the next generation and technophiles of all ages demand electronic media. As a star wars fan, its scary to see the game dying and even other star wars fans are just not willing to play because the lack of electronic support is offensive to them. (Equally scary to see players who don't like DnD, specifically dislike the 5th edition rules, still PREFER to play DnD 5th edition purely because of DnD Beyond)

So, as a 50 year old I agree completely with what you're saying. I love the in-person aspect of this but have always wanted an online component for RPG's or to feel like you're part of a larger world. I hate DnD and had never heard of DnD Beyond till now but agree that, licensing issues notwithstanding, something along those lines would be awesome for this game.

13 minutes ago, sren said:

Yes; both games groups I'm in use it, but the group with teenagers and more technophile members only sees it barely tolerable. It is not a flaw with the tool oggdude created that they don't like; it is that your information isn't stored online, cannot be accessed from a smartphone/tablet, isn't updated soon after a new supplement is released AND does not have descriptions of talents. It also has the flaw that making custom things for the group (like a stock ship with particular attachments) isn't easily or quickly sharable.

Oggdudes tool is AWESOME, but it won't be enough to save a game that is forbidden all electronic support. It is the only game I've played in the past few years that you can't even get legit books for electronically. As an old guy, I like the stack of books on the table, the next generation and technophiles of all ages demand electronic media. As a star wars fan, its scary to see the game dying and even other star wars fans are just not willing to play because the lack of electronic support is offensive to them. (Equally scary to see players who don't like DnD, specifically dislike the 5th edition rules, still PREFER to play DnD 5th edition purely because of DnD Beyond)

store you character data on dropbox. print to pdf. this is all stuff available in oggdudes. And sorry D&D beyond type stuff is locked behind license

2 hours ago, sren said:

isn't updated soon after a new supplement is released

Speak for yourself. Whenever a new book's released, I have the data entered by the end of the weekend. Data Editor is your friend.

2 hours ago, sren said:

does not have descriptions of talents

Data Editor is still your friend. Also, while a violation of the letter of OggDude's disclaimer to avoid a cease and desist, it's not really a secret that people share data sets to bring that sort of information into the software.

2 hours ago, sren said:

It also has the flaw that making custom things for the group (like a stock ship with particular attachments) isn't easily or quickly sharable.

Instructions for setting a Dropbox location as the data folder are included in OggDude's documentation. Or, a friend of mine uses a raspberry pi box to have his own VPN that allows him to access his OggDude's data remotely. Prior to the isolation orders, we were discussing setting me up with one. (My wife, son, and I all use the same home network drive, but when we go remote, I copy the folder to my laptop and use the local location; the raspberry pi VPN would allow us and anyone else we grant access to the ability to use my data.)

Sounds like the "next generation and technophiles of all ages" don't want to avail themselves of technology to clear the hurdles that exist out of legal necessity.

13 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Instructions for setting a Dropbox location as the data folder are included in OggDude's documentation. Or, a friend of mine uses a raspberry pi box to have his own VPN that allows him to access his OggDude's data remotely. Prior to the isolation orders, we were discussing setting me up with one. (My wife, son, and I all use the same home network drive, but when we go remote, I copy the folder to my laptop and use the local location; the raspberry pi VPN would allow us and anyone else we grant access to the ability to use my data.)

Sounds like the "next generation and technophiles of all ages" don't want to avail themselves of technology to clear the hurdles that exist out of legal necessity.

So, starting at the end first, there is obviously a legal issue that means this is all just theoretical but what you've described is easy enough for me (I'm a CCIE and already have my stuff synched with GDrive but love the idea of the PI VPN to share it with the group) but for one of my playgroup who is a nurse, that's a lot of work and effort and learning to ONLY to share character & group data. My comment about an online component could add so much to this game that OggDude's tool just isn't designed for that would really add to the experience.

But, legal stuff, won't happen.

On 5/19/2020 at 5:32 PM, sren said:

I know EA doesn't have a ton of motivation, but teenage audience members are an absolute requirement for the game line to continue, and as things stand now, once they discover DnD Beyond, their attitude is "I won't, under any circumstances become an audience member for a game without online character tracking". I know some of these teenagers, and their parents (also gamers) agree that they now prefer DnD Beyond, with all of its problems over any other game system purely because of the ease provided by online content. Not having online character trackers means the game line will die completely when us old folks no longer have groups to play with. (Nursing homes also aren't going to support large book collections for our gaming habits)

21 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Have you seen oggdudes character in the another character generator thread? it is available.

20 hours ago, sren said:

Yes; both games groups I'm in use it, but the group with teenagers and more technophile members only sees it barely tolerable. It is not a flaw with the tool oggdude created that they don't like; it is that your information isn't stored online, cannot be accessed from a smartphone/tablet, isn't updated soon after a new supplement is released AND does not have descriptions of talents. It also has the flaw that making custom things for the group (like a stock ship with particular attachments) isn't easily or quickly sharable.

Oggdudes tool is AWESOME, but it won't be enough to save a game that is forbidden all electronic support. It is the only game I've played in the past few years that you can't even get legit books for electronically. As an old guy, I like the stack of books on the table, the next generation and technophiles of all ages demand electronic media. As a star wars fan, its scary to see the game dying and even other star wars fans are just not willing to play because the lack of electronic support is offensive to them. (Equally scary to see players who don't like DnD, specifically dislike the 5th edition rules, still PREFER to play DnD 5th edition purely because of DnD Beyond)

There’s also swsheets .com, which is a mainstay of the play by post games here on these very forums.

I just can’t wait for an announcement of what they are doing next